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Azure_Horizon posted:The whole Time Kompression idea was reasonable? The ending of FF8 is "everything is fine because." The amount of poo poo people fling at the ending of 13 always astounds me when 8 is literally right there. I loved 8 but come the gently caress on.
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rargphlam posted:Yeah, and while it makes the panic attack over shooting Edea make more sense as he knew it was the woman who basically raised him, No, it still doesn't make sense, because he literally says "this always happens," indicating that he has choked and failed to shoot his target multiple times, making him the world's shittiest sniper. Man, I hate the entire FF8 cast so much.
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Feb 22, 2013 05:55
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Failboattootoot posted:The amount of poo poo people fling at the ending of 13 always astounds me when 8 is literally right there. I loved 8 but come the gently caress on. XIII was at least a literal deus ex machina. FF8 was just what the gently caress.
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Feb 22, 2013 05:59
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FFVIII-2 will be hidden as an HD remake where Squall and co. break the time loop and prevent the events of the game from ever happening and it will be heralded as the greatest FF forever and ever.
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Feb 22, 2013 06:21
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SpazmasterX posted:FFVIII-2 will be hidden as an HD remake where Squall and co. break the time loop and prevent the events of the game from ever happening and it will be heralded as the greatest FF forever and ever. Just a rag tag family of soldiers fighting Witches and monsters from the moon? I'd be up for it.
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Feb 22, 2013 06:32
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Schwartzcough posted:No, it still doesn't make sense, because he literally says "this always happens," indicating that he has choked and failed to shoot his target multiple times, making him the world's shittiest sniper. This is also one of those stupid battle/cutscene incongruities; he has absolutely no problem blowing away all those random mooks with a shotgun, but suddenly he goes all weak-kneed when somebody dying would matter.
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Feb 22, 2013 06:46
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Zombies' Downfall posted:This is also one of those stupid battle/cutscene incongruities; he has absolutely no problem blowing away all those random mooks with a shotgun, but suddenly he goes all weak-kneed when somebody dying would matter. I think it's the sniper rifle not the act of shooting. Waaaaaay too Freudian for Irving.
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Feb 22, 2013 06:49
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rargphlam posted:discs 3 and 4 feel really compressed (heh) A part of me likes to imagine that FFVIII ended at the end of disc 2, after the Garden vs Garden fight. Edea was really killed, Galbadia garden was routed and everyone lived happily ever after. Leal fucked around with this message at 08:10 on Feb 22, 2013 |
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Feb 22, 2013 08:04
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Schwartzcough posted:No, it still doesn't make sense, because he literally says "this always happens," indicating that he has choked and failed to shoot his target multiple times, making him the world's shittiest sniper. I always got the impression that Irvine was lying to Squall because it is way more convenient in that moment to blow it off than to try and explain that he was trying to shoot the woman that raised him. The way I see it there are two options: 1) his "this always happens" line is untrue because otherwise he wouldn't have been chosen for the job, or 2) he was only chosen by the headmaster of Galbadia as some sort of conspiracy plot to pit him with Squall and the gang.
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Feb 22, 2013 10:00
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:I agree. To screw up the Mana formula? Yes. It was a first in a long degradation of the Mana series. It might not have blocked English Mana 2 (SD 3) from happening and it really doesn't deserve it's reputation as much but that is what history has given it and even that is giving it far too much praise. Could a modern-era themed Secret of Mana game work? Sure, but removing the Co-Op, magic system and the crisp graphics and replacing them with a horrifying vision of our Mud Coloured present graphics wise and a item magic system that is wonky as gently caress is not how to do it. And the music? What music?
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Feb 22, 2013 10:28
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Blind the Thief posted:2) he was only chosen by the headmaster of Galbadia as some sort of conspiracy plot to pit him with Squall and the gang.
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Feb 22, 2013 10:35
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ConanThe3rd posted:To screw up the Mana formula? Yes. It was a first in a long degradation of the Mana series. Evermore didn't "degrade" Mana. The World of Mana campaign completely bombed and killed that series within two years. Shaezerus fucked around with this message at 11:05 on Feb 22, 2013 |
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Feb 22, 2013 10:48
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Shaezerus posted:Evermore didn't "degrade" Mana. The World of Mana campaign completely bombed and killed that series within two years. Yeah, if Secret of Evermore degraded it all the games after Legend of Mana (which was itself sort of a weird misstep, but a charming game with potential) drug it out behind the toolshed and put a bullet in its head.
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Feb 22, 2013 11:17
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Levantine posted:5 and 6 have been sitting in some weird limbo for a long time. Every other game in the series up to 4 has seen remake after remake and two of the top tier entries were last seen on GBA. To be fair it's only been a little over 6 years since 6's GBA release. Re: Mystic Quest, my most powerful memory of that game other than the music is that it was a crash course in how goddamn irritating it is when every mook has a crippling status attack. Much like Dimensions now! Dross fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Feb 22, 2013 |
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Feb 22, 2013 15:46
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Failboattootoot posted:The amount of poo poo people fling at the ending of 13 always astounds me when 8 is literally right there. I loved 8 but come the gently caress on. They weren't kids when they played 13.
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Feb 22, 2013 16:19
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Schwartzcough posted:No, it still doesn't make sense, because he literally says "this always happens," indicating that he has choked and failed to shoot his target multiple times, making him the world's shittiest sniper. Maybe he's referring to the Kompressed timeline that is now looping quicker and quicker and knows that whenever he gets to this part of the timeline he can't bring himself to shoot. Maybe Irvine is the actual protagonist of FFVIII? No, because thats stupider than the actual plot somehow.
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Feb 22, 2013 16:22
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Maybe Irvine was dead all along and Selphie is Ultimecia.
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Or maybe 8 is just a bad game and to give it more thought than laughing when Kefka calls Squall a poser is probably giving it more than it deserves.
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Feb 22, 2013 17:32
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I still maintain that Ultimecia is a cheeseburger and she compressed time to stop herself from rotting and to create a world in which there would be no other entities who might be inclined to eat her. There's no rule that explicitly says that cheeseburgers can't be sorceresses.
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Feb 22, 2013 18:02
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Seifer was the best character in FFVIIII and it should have been about him, Fujin and Raijin. Also the ending of FFVIII had Laguna at Raine's grave as he flashbacks to proposing to her. ...it always chokes me up. XIII's ending only chokes me with bullshit.
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Feb 22, 2013 18:08
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Shaezerus posted:Evermore didn't "degrade" Mana. The World of Mana campaign completely bombed and killed that series within two years. Evermore was also a fantastic game. Jeremy Soule should be proud to have done the game justice with such great music.
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Feb 22, 2013 18:42
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Azure_Horizon posted:Evermore was also a fantastic game. Jeremy Soule should be proud to have done the game justice with such great music. The only complaint I've ever really seen vocalized against Evermore is that it wasn't Secret of Mana. I thought it was a fabulous game at the time with wonderfully dark atmosphere. I still replay it to this day.
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Levantine posted:The only complaint I've ever really seen vocalized against Evermore is that it wasn't Secret of Mana. I thought it was a fabulous game at the time with wonderfully dark atmosphere. I still replay it to this day. The only complaint, in relation to Secret of Mana, that I have ever had with Evermore was why didn't they allow it to be played 2 players. I still remember my young self renting the game with my friend (who had also gone through all of Secret of Mana in co-op with me), getting to the pre-historic era and hitting start on player 2 expecting the little [2] icon to appear on the Dog's portrait... but it never did.  Apart from that Evermore is stellar.
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Oh yeah, Evermore is fuckin' awesome. I just wish Alchemy wasn't so prohibitively expensive to the point where you only ever use Crush because it has the best price::power ratio in the game.
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Happy Blue Cow posted:The only complaint, in relation to Secret of Mana, that I have ever had with Evermore was why didn't they allow it to be played 2 players. I'm pretty sure a 2-player patch exists, but yeah leaving it out of the release version was an egregious mistake.
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Evermore is a really interesting game. It's flawed but it's flawed in ways which are oddly engrossing. The Alchemy system is frankly a bit poo poo and the environments obtuse but I'd love to see it get another shot.
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I'd rather See SD 3 finally get some sort of english release, frankly. The Japanese can get a re-release of Evermore in exchange, it's totaly fair. ConanThe3rd fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Feb 22, 2013 |
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Feb 22, 2013 19:54
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I forgot it wasn't co-op, my bad. I had that complaint back then too, come to think of it. I remember reading about Seiken Densetsu 3 in EGM or something at the time and marvelling at the screenshots, then being really disappointed when it didn't make it over here.
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It's weird, SD3 doesn't have three-player multitap support by default either. And then Legend of Mana has a really gutted, lovely co-op where player 2 just hops in as whatever random guest character and has limited gear options and stuff compared to a real player. How did they not realize that multiplayer was a big part of why everybody loved Secret of Mana?
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Final Fantasy VIII's characterization makes FFVII's look Shakespearian in comparison Also one of my favorite parts about Evermore was all the extremely obtuse little secrets, like Sting and randomly finding chocobo eggs in bushels of rice and the weird trading quests. And multiple confusing mazes. Also the dog was OP as all hell. Of course then they threw a boss at you like halfway through who the dog can't reach and is hard as hell. And of course the dumb meta-humor. I wish that game would get a VC release with two player 
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Feb 22, 2013 20:43
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:Final Fantasy VIII's characterization makes FFVII's look Shakespearian in comparison I don't remember the part in Shakespeare where it turns out the protagonist is an amalgamation of a space alien, a dead guy, and another dead guy.
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Barudak posted:I don't remember the part in Shakespeare where it turns out the protagonist is an amalgamation of a space alien, a dead guy, and another dead guy. I believe that happened in A Midsummer Night's Dream. Or maybe King Lear, after Lear goes crazy and lives in the woods.
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:Also one of my favorite parts about Evermore was all the extremely obtuse little secrets, like Sting and randomly finding chocobo eggs in bushels of rice and the weird trading quests. And multiple confusing mazes. Also the dog was OP as all hell. Of course then they threw a boss at you like halfway through who the dog can't reach and is hard as hell. And of course the dumb meta-humor. I wish that game would get a VC release with two player Speaking of obtuse secrets, I discovered recently that the strange skeleton in that rowboat, who can bring you across the desert instantly instead of arduously having to go by foot, will outright reject taking you if you've named your main character something profane, even if you got the item he wants...   More games need to do that. Happy Blue Cow fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Feb 22, 2013 |
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Zombies' Downfall posted:It's weird, SD3 doesn't have three-player multitap support by default either. And then Legend of Mana has a really gutted, lovely co-op where player 2 just hops in as whatever random guest character and has limited gear options and stuff compared to a real player. You could bring in a character from another save file in LoM. Doesn't really help you when the game forces allies on you, but it's there. But having a second player control allies, even as poorly equipped as they are, is better than letting the AI do its thing since the AI in that game is just that incompetent.
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I'm about to get started on Dimensions - any tips or suggestions starting out?
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I hate the way the sprite's hair bobs in Evermore. It was a fun game but that bugged me constantly.
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Levantine posted:I'm about to get started on Dimensions - any tips or suggestions starting out? There is a grand total of 1 tough boss fight in the game. It is the chapter closer for when you get the Dancer. Do not ever use her to do anything, just keep passing her turn so that the second her special prompt is necessary you can do it. Failing to do so will result in a very, very fast party wipe unless you are supremely over leveled for that area. You aren't going to earn enough JP in the maingame and there is no real incentive to do anything postgame to master more than 2 or 3 jobs. Therefore pick a specialty (physical attacks, magic) and stick with it for each character. Everyone should take Red Mage to level 3, it gives you the single most useful job ability for 90% of the game. Other than that the game is incredibly easy so using gamebreaking skills or set ups or whatever is totally meaningless.
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pretend to care posted:I hate the way the sprite's hair bobs in Evermore. It was a fun game but that bugged me constantly. Hey, he cares about how pretty his hair is, I can dig that.
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He clearly conditions his hair, otherwise he wouldn't be able to get that shine and bounce to it
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