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So for the DnD-unenlighted of us, Mass Death Ward means he's not a vampire, right? Because if so I'm putting pretty good odds on Durkon being right hosed here.
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He just admitted he was a vampire.
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Feb 25, 2013 14:26
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He means that Belkar won't be turning into one.
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Feb 25, 2013 14:27
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Colonial Air Force posted:He just admitted he was a vampire. I mean that we're not getting Vampire Belkar. I basically can't see that particular death being averted without it barreling over into an even more dramatic and (relatively) unexpected death basically.
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Feb 25, 2013 14:29
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I'd love it if we got a turnaround into dead Belkar + vampire Durkon. Malack actually has a compelling reason to thrall Durkon; he appreciates the man and is fond of his company, and with Durkon turning against him, he's probably unhappy about losing the friendship (and amoral enough to consider forcible conversion into an Evil being a good way to continue it). I could definitely see him pulling a "well, maybe NOW you'll see it my way, CHOMP" here.
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Feb 25, 2013 14:32
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Android Blues posted:I'd love it if we got a turnaround into dead Belkar + vampire Durkon. Malack actually has a compelling reason to thrall Durkon; he appreciates the man and is fond of his company, and with Durkon turning against him, he's probably unhappy about losing the friendship (and amoral enough to consider forcible conversion into an Evil being a good way to continue it). I could definitely see him pulling a "well, maybe NOW you'll see it my way, CHOMP" here. Vampire Durkon would also allow him to return to his homeland posthumously and still cause some kind of disaster. I'd kinda rather imagine Belkar surviving though because then you've got Belkar having to deal with the fact that someone died to save his stupid rear end and Roy having to deal with losing his cleric and suddenly needing Belkar a lot more despite his death coming down the line. Double points if Roy gets to (probably incorrectly) blame himself for Durkon dying because he was so blasé about Belkar's inevitable death that he didn't imagine it could spill over to anyone else. Admittedly I have no idea if D&D clerics can be vampirized so maybe that's not possible.
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Feb 25, 2013 14:41
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ImpAtom posted:I mean that we're not getting Vampire Belkar. I know I wouldn't have bet a cent on this comic featuring the Durkon Cavalry rushing with a timely Mass Death Ward.
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Feb 25, 2013 14:42
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NihilCredo posted:I know I wouldn't have bet a cent on this comic featuring the Durkon Cavalry rushing with a timely Mass Death Ward. Word. I have to say the title "Just a Couple of Blooddrinkers" threw me.
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Feb 25, 2013 15:39
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What are the chances that Mr. Scruffy is a paladin, and licking a wound is his version of Laying On Hands?
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Feb 25, 2013 16:12
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ImpAtom posted:Admittedly I have no idea if D&D clerics can be vampirized so maybe that's not possible. There's nothing to prevent it. JohnnyCanuck posted:What are the chances that Mr. Scruffy is a paladin, and licking a wound is his version of Laying On Hands? Extremely small. Also paladins aren't allowed to associate with evil characters, such as Belkar. Though admittedly, one could argue that it's allowed if the intent is to reform the evil character, which Mr. Scruffy to some extent has been doing; but the likelihood of an animal having a character class is still vanishingly small.
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Feb 25, 2013 16:29
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ImpAtom posted:So for the DnD-unenlighted of us, Mass Death Ward means he's not a vampire, right?
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Feb 25, 2013 16:34
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CapnAndy posted:We actually don't know! It's an entirely new spell that Durkon invented -- with Malack's help, ironically. (Incidentally, Burlew is a loving master of Chekov guns.) Presumably it kept Belkar from dying, so no, he wouldn't rise as a vampire. Death Ward iirc is a spell that protects its target from necromantic effects that would harm or kill them. Xykon and Redcloak probably have a lot of these at their disposal (stuff like Finger of Death, Wail of the Banshee or Power Word: Death, off the top of my head), so Durkon seems to have devised a version of the existing spell that he can cast on the entire party at once.
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Feb 25, 2013 16:42
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There's also the fact that Durkon has now used up one Mass Death Ward and I would be surprised if there wasn't a situation in the near future where he could really use one. Sure he could have prepared it twice, but my impression was it's a fairly high-level affair, plus rules of drama and all that.
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Feb 25, 2013 16:49
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My Lovely Horse posted:There's also the fact that Durkon has now used up one Mass Death Ward and I would be surprised if there wasn't a situation in the near future where he could really use one. That's quite possible. But there are times to save things for a rainy day, and this was NOT one of those times. Burlew is such a tease.
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Feb 25, 2013 17:06
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Surprised he didn't have plain old Death Ward to blow on Belkar instead of wasting the Mass version.
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Feb 25, 2013 17:08
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So... does this mean Belkar will now file Durkon under lust instead of hate? 
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Feb 25, 2013 17:10
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Poil posted:So... does this mean Belkar will now file Durkon under lust instead of hate? Yeah, at least until someone tells him about all the sweet vampire bonuses he's missing on because of the dwarf's "help".
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Feb 25, 2013 17:19
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Does the fact that Durkon used the Mass- version of the spell mean Malack can't turn him now either? (Or Mister Scruffy?)
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Feb 25, 2013 17:23
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Death ward stops negative energy effects. But a vampire bite inflicts con damage, through blood loss, not negative energy. He is protected from the draining touch of a vampire or other undead, but not other damage. I don't think that death ward would necessarily protect him from the effects of the bite, or from returning as a vampire, since that normally takes days, which would be outside the time death ward lasts. I remember that forgotten realms had some rituals that could be performed to prevent corpses from being raised as any kind of undead (clerics of khelemvor, or the doomguide prestige class could perform them, IIRC) but they took a while. I don't remember anything from the SRD that explicitly allows that though.
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Feb 25, 2013 17:26
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Umbra Dubium posted:Does the fact that Durkon used the Mass- version of the spell mean Malack can't turn him now either? (Or Mister Scruffy?) I'm pretty sure that's why he used Mass Death Ward (besides, of course, the siren call dramatic irony).
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Feb 25, 2013 17:27
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Umbra Dubium posted:Does the fact that Durkon used the Mass- version of the spell mean Malack can't turn him now either? (Or Mister Scruffy?) Quite possibly.
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Feb 25, 2013 17:29
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I don't see any way how Durkon can win this if it turns into a fight. They're probably comparable level and Malack is a super powered vampire on top of that. Maybe if Belkar fights off the Hold before they go at it. Edit - and his protection from sunlight being a spell seems pretty risky. If he gets dispelled in a fight in daylight then he's just instantly dead. Colonel Cool fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Feb 25, 2013 |
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Feb 25, 2013 18:54
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Mass Death Ward only lasts one minute per caster level, so if Malack took out Durkon, he would just need to wait a few minutes before continuing to vampirize Belkar. And I believe Malack is several levels higher than Durkon, so it wouldn't even be difficult for him to dispatch the dwarf.
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Feb 25, 2013 19:58
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The Midniter posted:Mass Death Ward only lasts one minute per caster level, so if Malack took out Durkon, he would just need to wait a few minutes before continuing to vampirize Belkar. And I believe Malack is several levels higher than Durkon, so it wouldn't even be difficult for him to dispatch the dwarf. Cue V appearing through the wall.
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Feb 25, 2013 20:07
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Yeah, but Durkon is somebody Malack would evidently want to hang around with forever. I have no idea where this is going to go next and I like it.
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Feb 25, 2013 20:27
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My bet is Durkon is going to return to his homeland as a vampire, because he's a reasonably young dwarf and there is now way the Order wouldn't resurrect him if they had his body available to be sent home. Unless we take posthumously to mean "after a resurrection".
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Feb 25, 2013 20:31
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Feb 25, 2013 20:33
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I don't see how this is a problem.
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Couldn't Durkon just use Turn Undead?, I don't think he has access to the Sun domain (which I believe auto destroys undead on a successful turn which is what happens when you roll double the hit dice of the enemy being turned, something highly unlikely to happen here) but theres still a good chance it may work due to his high level. Although being crazy prepared/genre savvy i wouldn't be surprised if Malack had prepared something for that eventuality.
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DeadBonesBrook posted:Couldn't Durkon just use Turn Undead? First Malack has to remark how aghast he is.
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Feb 25, 2013 23:25
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DeadBonesBrook posted:Couldn't Durkon just use Turn Undead?, I don't think he has access to the Sun domain (which I believe auto destroys undead on a successful turn which is what happens when you roll double the hit dice of the enemy being turned, something highly unlikely to happen here) but theres still a good chance it may work due to his high level. Although being crazy prepared/genre savvy i wouldn't be surprised if Malack had prepared something for that eventuality. He could try, but Malak is a really powerful undead. I doubt Durkon could completely drive him off. He'd be able to slow Malak down, at best. See Redcloak vs Soon.
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Vampires have turn resistance. Assuming they're equal level then it's almost impossible for Durkon to turn him. If Malack has even one level on him then it's completely impossible.
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Colonel Cool posted:Vampires have turn resistance. Assuming they're equal level then it's almost impossible for Durkon to turn him. If Malack has even one level on him then it's completely impossible. I forgot about vampiric turn resistance. Yeah, Durkon's gonna go TURN UNDEAD and Malak is going to make an entirely unruffled response.
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ConfusedUs posted:I forgot about vampiric turn resistance. Yeah, but Durkon can strongly present his holy symbol and prevent Malak from attacking him. At which point Malak will probably try to dominate Durkon, fail, and go back to draining Belkar.
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Feb 26, 2013 02:11
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greatn posted:Cue V appearing through the wall.
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Feb 26, 2013 02:20
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Vampire Durkon at this point would be a massive spanner in the works for the protagonists. I think the Order could cope with losing Belkar, but without a cleric they're so screwed.
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Trapezium Dave posted:Vampire Durkon at this point would be a massive spanner in the works for the protagonists. I think the Order could cope with losing Belkar, but without a cleric they're so screwed. If you want to get meta about it, they might end up replacing Belkar and Durkon with O-Chul and Lien. Less melee damage, healing power and clerical magic in exchange for better durability, perhaps.
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Feb 26, 2013 02:59
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I'm glad that all these suggestions have been made, and, therefore, cannot now happen.
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jng2058 posted:If you want to get meta about it, they might end up replacing Belkar and Durkon with O-Chul and Lien. Less melee damage, healing power and clerical magic in exchange for better durability, perhaps.
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I'll voice the left field here, and say that durkon gets turned and the order resorts to force feeding belkar wisdom boosting potions so he can cast magic for the near future. Just because that would be the best kind of worst case scenario.
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