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closeted republican posted:If anyone gets this, I would highly recommend you use the 227 patch on Unreal Gold. 227 allows you to connect to all of the servers (DM and Coop) out there without any problems, fixes tons of bugs, includes a new editor that works in 64-bit OSes and is a lot less crash-happy than the original one, makes it possible to run almost all of the mods and maps out there (except for some that were made in really early versions of Unreal) and has a fix that lets you play RtNP in coop mode. So other than the DX11 renderer in the OP what other Unreal mods should I use? Is there a recommended texture or model pack or anything else?
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kirbysuperstar posted:Yup.
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kirbysuperstar posted:What were Next smoking? I also like the fact that they preemptively added the M2 to their list of systems at the top of the cover when not only was it not released yet, it never would be. Some of those rumors they "investigated" are interesting to read looking back though- "Has anyone ever died playing a video game?" "Are U.S. marines trained on Doom?" "Is a U.S. Senator trying to ban all video games?" Now we have at least one person (I think in South Korea?) who did actually die in an Internet cafe playing Counter-Strike, the U.S. army went on to develop a tactical FPS, and parts of Congress would still like to ban video games they think are linked to youth violence. I guess some things don't change.
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TheMammoth posted:I also like the fact that they preemptively added the M2 to their list of systems at the top of the cover when not only was it not released yet, it never would be. Oh man, I never even noticed that. God bless Matsushita.
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TheMammoth posted:I also like the fact that they preemptively added the M2 to their list of systems at the top of the cover when not only was it not released yet, it never would be. Yeah, that was the one and only NEXT issue I owned. I remember some of the other rumors included one about all of those ET cartridges being buried in the desert, and something about Pac-Man originally being called "Puck Man" (which was changed because of how easily it was vandalized). It was like a golden age of bullshit, when the internet wasn't quite a useful tool to debunking rumors, so everything seemed so mysterious.
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:Yeah, that was the one and only NEXT issue I owned. I remember some of the other rumors included one about all of those ET cartridges being buried in the desert, and something about Pac-Man originally being called "Puck Man" (which was changed because of how easily it was vandalized). It was like a golden age of bullshit, when the internet wasn't quite a useful tool to debunking rumors, so everything seemed so mysterious. Guess they did a job coming up with convincing rumors if people who have NEVER heard of Next know about them.
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xanthan posted:Guess they did a job coming up with convincing rumors if people who have NEVER heard of Next know about them. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that back in the day, things seemed so much more mysterious when we had to rely on magazines to explain/debunk our rumors. Nowadays, none of those 21 "rumors" would be particularly mysterious or interesting because you could Google search and read about any of them in like 10 seconds.
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Yodzilla posted:So other than the DX11 renderer in the OP what other Unreal mods should I use? Is there a recommended texture or model pack or anything else? Just as an FYI, the DX 11 renderer isn't compatible with 227. However, 227 does come with a DX 9 renderer, which works just fine. I've been using it and I've had zero problems. There are some high-res texture packs over at http://www.unrealtexture.com/Unreal/Website/Downloads/Textures/HighEnd/StockUnreal/UnrealHighEnd.htm. Not all of the textures have been made high-res yet, so you'll occasionally see some stock textures mixed in with the new ones in a level. If you plan on playing co-op, pick up JCoopZ and MonsterCoop, if only to save yourself the trouble of having to download them when you join a server. closeted republican fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Feb 25, 2013 |
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TheMammoth posted:I also like the fact that they preemptively added the M2 to their list of systems at the top of the cover when not only was it not released yet, it never would be. The U.S. Marines were trained on Doom!
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closeted republican posted:Just as an FYI, the DX 11 renderer isn't compatible with 227. However, 227 does come with a DX 9 renderer, which works just fine. I've been using it and I've had zero problems. Also a good OpenGL renderer. I think last time I played it that's what I used; it seemed to have brightness/colors that matched what I remembered from the original.
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That's really interesting, as is the wiki entry, albeit succinct. quote:The DeHackEd patch provided limits player health to 20, making the player extremely vulnerable to the enemies' hitscan attacks. The pistol is replaced by a rifle with a magazine capacity of 30 bullets (60 with a backpack), the shotgun with a powerful machine gun, and the rocket launcher with grenades (the grenade projectile looks like health potions and is affected by gravity)... Things that correspond to vegetation (the burnt tree, twisted tree, and spike stump) have been made shootable and can be used as cover from enemy fire. Minus the grenade projectiles looking like health potion sprites, many of those revisions sound a lot like "realistic" FPS today (Counter-Strike, Far Cry in certain modes; sorry if my references are outdated, my computer can't play anything past HL2), in that they added 1-hit kills, the ability to hide behind objects in your environment which could also be destroyed, multiple character classes with different health/ammo capacities, cooperative multiplayer objectives, and so on. I don't think much of that was in the vanilla Doom? Thanks for the link. Edit: Out of idle hope, any ideas for fixing the OpenGl .dll error that comes up with some Q3 mods (Urban Terror specifically)? It also happens with technically non-FPS games like Jedi Knight II. Pasting the .dll into the game directory, the most commonly reported fix, does not seem to work. TheMammoth fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Feb 25, 2013 |
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The Kins posted:Well, a PS1 version was in the works until they realised just how much of a technical impossibility it was, so an N64 version probably was on the table at one point. Remember that the N64 really had some "impressive" 3d hardware. It wound up getting the Turok series, Goldeneye, Daikatana, and Quake II. DMA (AKA Rockstar North) was handling the port, and given they'd just made Body Harvest from the ground up, it seemed they'd be up to the job. Its actually a testament to how loving good Carmack's codec is that Quake 2 was able to run on platforms like the 64, because as elegant as Unreal engine 1 is, it had to be beaten soundly with a stick just to get it going on the PS2.
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Red_Mage posted:Remember that the N64 really had some "impressive" 3d hardware. The N64's hardware is absolute garbage and could hardly handle textures larger than a pinhead. It had a processor speed that could bludgeon other consoles of its time, but that's about all it had going for it. It could pump out more polygons at a slightly higher resolution than the Playstation and that's about it. It did have some strange features though, like a GPU and SPU combined into a single chip (  ).Red_Mage posted:It wound up getting the Turok series, Goldeneye, and Quake II. Turok 1 had low polygon count with decent texture resolution. Goldeneye had decent polygon count with awful texture resolution. Turok 2 had both high polygon count and high texture resolution and as a consequence could not run at a consistent framerate above 15fps. (I left Daikatana out because I have never played either version of it) Red_Mage posted:Its actually a testament to how loving good Carmack's codec is that Quake 2 was able to run on platforms like the 64 You could say this, but have you ever seen the N64 version of Quake II? Calling it a hackjob would be a massive understatement. DISCLAIMER: I am not hating on the N64. I own one and love it and it produced some of my favorite games ever, including Turok: Dinosaur Hunter and (before I got the PC version) the original Quake. I'm just saying the hardware wasn't the greatest thing on earth that gave its developers a huge headache, from what I hear. Mak0rz fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Feb 25, 2013 |
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I believe Turok 2 was the game that benefited the most from the expansion pack thing for the N64, the little red thing you put inside the console itself. What exactly did that do, anyways?
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Geight posted:I believe Turok 2 was the game that benefited the most from the expansion pack thing for the N64, the little red thing you put inside the console itself. What exactly did that do, anyways? It was a RAM upgrade, more or less. There were a couple of games that wouldn't run without it (most famously Perfect Dark and Majora's Mask).
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Geight posted:I believe Turok 2 was the game that benefited the most from the expansion pack thing for the N64, the little red thing you put inside the console itself. What exactly did that do, anyways? Increased the usable system RAM from 4MB to a whopping 8MB! Considered to be a ridiculous amount for consoles at the time, actually. Even so, playing Turok 2 with its additional features (it increased both texture and display resolution) did not improve performance, though playing it on standard resolution probably did when you had the pak.
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The only thing I remember about the N64 are games being a blurry mess and developers not knowing how to make controls that came even close to working with those weird little yellow buttons. Man I hated those things.
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Geight posted:I believe Turok 2 was the game that benefited the most from the expansion pack thing for the N64, the little red thing you put inside the console itself. What exactly did that do, anyways? It gave the system more memory to work with. It actually made stuff like Perfect Dark possible. Mak0rz posted:DISCLAIMER: I am not hating on the N64. I own one and love it and it produced some of my favorite games ever, including Turok: Dinosaur Hunter and (before I got the PC version) the original Quake. I'm just saying the hardware wasn't the greatest thing on earth that gave its developers a huge headache, from what I hear. Yeah of course. That's why "impressive" was in quotes. Its just pretty easy to see why it wasn't unfeasible for someone to think they'd bring Unreal to the 64. Turok 3 though, for the record, had bearable slowdown and looked FANTASTIC. Also Daikatana 64 is interesting. They cut all the bots which actually made the game better, but then they added the omnipresent layer of fog that Turok 1 had and welp. The only console at the time that had hardware that wasn't a madman's fever dream in some fashion was the 3DO.
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Well SGI was stupid and decided to make the area of RAM accessible for caching textures very small on the N64. That's the only reason textures ended up having to be blurry, it would otherwise have been capable of a lot better. The system was designed with 4 kilobyte, as in, 4096 bytes, cache space for textures. There were ways to work around this that showed up in some of the last produced N64 games, but that's why textures were blurry, they were small to fit in there and then blown up in rendering.
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kirbysuperstar posted:Yup. 
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Jblade posted:Heh, I just love the 'PC CD-ROM' part of the magazine's title. Just hearing that word throws up a fuckton of Nostalgia, back when games had multiple discs and all PCs sounded like Jets taking off when you put a CD-ROM in My PC had a turbo button and therefor was a jet.
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Mak0rz posted:Did it have an MMX processor? Yes, but it didn't support SSE which was just loads of fun. "Hey download this patch if you have a Duron, and by patch we mean list of raw hex values on the EXE we want you to edit"
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Jehde posted:I successfully installed Infiltration mod for UT99 for the first time recently. It's an amazing TC mod if you're into the whole tactical tryhard thing. Crazy amount of depth to it, especially for a UT99 mod. I could never get it working for the longest time, but I found installing PsyTex makes it work without issue. It blew me away that you could empty your pistol, then put it away without reloading, and your guy would drop the slide empty. When you pulled it out again and reloaded it, he would work the slide to chamber a round. Loved that detail. I remember playing it before it got very involved and just had a handful of pistols and long guns but no GUI makeover or anything. I'd fire it up on that low-g rooftop map in a bot free-for-all were everybody only had one life and try to be the last man standing.
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Mak0rz posted:Did it have an MMX processor? Ha, I remember the Intel ads with the guys in colored "bunny suits" to show how cool the MMX processor was. MultiMedia eXtensions. Just "multimedia" is a blast from the nineties in itself. Everything had to be an interactive multimedia CD-ROM.
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What the hell is a turbo button? Also I got the unreal deal a few years ago, before Direct2drive folded, is unreal 2 worth playing?
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xanthan posted:What the hell is a turbo button? Good to see this thread gaining the attention of today's youth!
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xanthan posted:What the hell is a turbo button? A button that originally was meant to slow a computer for programs that needed original IBM PC speed to work right, then later became a button that was till included on cases and attached to an indicator, but actually did nothing. Seriously past about 1992 or so, all the turbo button would do is change a light on a case or sometimes change a faux speed readout. IT wasn't hooked up to the CPU or anything anymore.
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xanthan posted:is unreal 2 worth playing?
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xanthan posted:What the hell is a turbo button? Also I got the unreal deal a few years ago, before Direct2drive folded, is unreal 2 worth playing? I've said it before but, for me, Unreal 2 marks the end of a generation of FPS games that included Quake, Unreal, and Duke 3D. It tried really hard to convince the player that, despite all of the imagination the IP allowed, and all of the creativity that was permissible in the industry at the time, the real stars of the show were firefights with endless mercenary outfits. If you play the game, you'll spot really promising bits and pieces--different, colorful environments, several kinds of passive wildlife, a bizarre endgame setpiece, a living goddamned planet--but the gameplay itself is packed full of boring base defense missions and endless battles with human opponents. Insult to injury, judging from the concept material, so many amazing things were cut out or cancelled before they got anywhere. Unreal 2 really is a game that begs the question, "Why did they choose to make something so pedestrian?" The original had you as a prisoner crash-landing on a loving alien planet, fighting strange creatures with an interesting multi-functional arsenal. The sequel was like some sort of protean Call of Duty.
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:Insult to injury, judging from the concept material, so many amazing things were cut out or cancelled before they got anywhere.
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Should I start the Dark Forces series with the first game or has it not aged well enough? Also that goomonster(why did my phone make it Goon instead?) sounds pretty cool. Fantastic Alice fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Feb 26, 2013 |
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Oh, nice! That Resident Evil 4: Mercenaries mod is out for Doom. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdugkw30mPg Download links in the Youtube description.
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Zero Star posted:My favourite "things that never made it into Unreal 2" moment was the idea of having goo monsters that could ooze through and around closed doors to pursue you. That's not even a thing now, is it?
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Install Gentoo posted:A button that originally was meant to slow a computer for programs that needed original IBM PC speed to work right That's the thing I loved the most about it. Naming a slow-down button "turbo".
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The Kins posted:Valve did a bunch of experiments into a particle goo monster that'd intelligently reform and recollect the parts of it that you blew off a few years back, but they never found an actual use for it. I think they reused that tech for the Portal 2 goopy paint effects? So I guess you can say that Unreal 2 is the game that taught me never to buy into preview hype. 
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The Kins posted:Valve did a bunch of experiments into a particle goo monster that'd intelligently reform and recollect the parts of it that you blew off a few years back, but they never found an actual use for it. I think they reused that tech for the Portal 2 goopy paint effects? Really? Goddamned it. I know you're not necessarily suggesting that this enemy was intended for Half-Life 2, but it reminds me that I feel very similarly about Unreal 2 and Half-Life 2. They were both sequels to really impressive games, each had a phonebook of cut material that, if implemented, would have probably made them much closer to their prequels, and the final products focused on the weaker aspects of the original games--specifically combat with human opponents using a significantly gutted and unsatisfying arsenal. Half-Life 2's weapons--lacking many of the interesting weapons from the original--was painfully dull, 80% of the enemies were just Combine foot soldiers, and virtually every alien life-form from the original was cut out except for headcrabs and barnacles. Where's the Gluon Gun? The (portable) Tau Cannon? The Snarks? The houndeyes and Gargantuas and Icthyosaurs and all of the other interesting Xen spillover? Sure they got nuked, but those stupid alien leeches got to the ocean somehow. Where's the new poo poo that we didn't get a chance to see in the original? Ant-Lions? Really?
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