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Frankenstyle posted:Maybe. But then you have to look at how expensive it's gonna be to prove all that, versus how much money is left to recover after Gearboxes Hookers and Blow budget is factored in. This really makes me wonder about all the stuff that's written into the Art of Borderlands 2 book. I mean they really do go indepth on how they planned the game out from scratch and I guess now bullshitted the entire creative process in every single paragraph.
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The whole concept of the Alien, like its movement and looks was supposed to be heavily influenced by the motions of Cats or something wasn't it?
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Improbable Lobster posted:Hey now, Borderlands 1&2 where great. As bad as DNF and A:CM are, they don't invalidate the rest of Gearbox's library. I like Borderlands, but let's not forget that BL 1's PC multiplayer was flat out broken. When BL2 came out my friends all started joking about having to "Tungling" to make the game work. Thankfully MP was Steam this time around, and not, jesus Gamespy.
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Feb 25, 2013 18:57
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I hate to keep making posts like these, but I am still looking for a few people that have A:CM or AVP2010 on the XBOX. Everyone else I know was smart enough to trade this in after they finished it. But, I enjoy the multiplayer. GT:Slayer15977 On that note, I popped the AVP 2010 disk in the other day and oh my god, does it look way better than A:CM does graphically, or am I just wishing that it does?
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Pope Mobile posted:After finishing the campaign, I reinstalled AvP2 with texture and resolution updated. The graphics haven't aged well, but the game is so good it's easy to look past it: nothing beats the opening alien mission; the predator laugh when you shoot someone's head off or his screams of joy when you evicerate them are great; the aliens move the way I feel like they should; the world feels alive with people walking, talking and working. So glad I never got rid of my discs for it. I never even bothered to do the texture update and I find it's passable. It's certainly not going to win any quality awards but I don't mind the graphics at all compared to some games of comparable vintage. I hit some frustration with some early stages, but once you gain all of the alien powers it's just amazing.
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Feb 25, 2013 20:06
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Slayer1597 posted:I hate to keep making posts like these, but I am still looking for a few people that have A:CM or AVP2010 on the XBOX. I've been playing 2010, but don't have A:CM. Feel free to add X FrankNstyle X, but I'm not on as often as I used to be, and usually only on between like 2AM and 10AM EST.
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Feb 25, 2013 20:42
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The toy chat earlier in the thread reminded me of this hilarious toy commercial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e33APFt-ft8 As I recall, Xenomrph has some comic scans where the dude in the xeno power armor shows up and uppercuts aliens into orbit and blows a nest up by himself while the other characters are all "holy poo poo  ".
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Feb 25, 2013 20:50
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Holy loving poo poo I must have seen that commercial a hundreds times as a kid. Man the Aliens franchise has been dumb as hell since forever and in a kind of awesome way.
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Feb 25, 2013 21:23
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Wade Wilson posted:The toy chat earlier in the thread reminded me of this hilarious toy commercial: Haha "send in Hicks!". Hicks is dead man. Also, anyone up for co-op from the beginning tonight on XBL?
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Eurogamer just posted a story based on several anonymous sources at both Gearbox and Timegate: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-25-several-staffers-on-aliens-colonial-marines-spill-the-beans-on-what-went-wrong-reportquote:"There was obviously not four years of work done on the game," said one source. Apparently what Gearbox gave TimeGate was a merely a collection of assets with little rhyme or reason to how it was all planned to come together. "A lot of assets just didn't seem like they fit there," the source noted. quote:"For a couple months, we were just kind of guessing," said one source. "It's really weird to work on a game when you don't have a basic idea of how things will work." quote:Regarding Colonial Marines' more-impressive-than-the-final-game demo, this was built by TimeGate with some animation by Gearbox and it actually was running in real-time, only on a suped up PC that was far more advanced than what an average consumer would own. This is actually customary for games at trade shows, even if the results don't usually reveal such a discrepancy. quote:When Gearbox finally took the reins back on Aliens: Colonial Marines last summer it had to change everything, as according to two sources, what TimeGate delivered wasn't very good and couldn't run on PS3. Uh oh! So a bit more detail but nothing massively new, Timegate are blaming Gearbox for handing them a shoddy mess and Gearbox are blaming Timegate for handing back a technical disaster
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Wade Wilson posted:The toy chat earlier in the thread reminded me of this hilarious toy commercial: I had the queen, Atax, and that ship. Why won't Gearbox let me live out my childhood?!
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TomWaitsForNoMan posted:So a bit more detail but nothing massively new, Timegate are blaming Gearbox for handing them a shoddy mess and Gearbox are blaming Timegate for handing back a technical disaster Darn, I just tore off the shrink wrap. Shaocaholica fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Feb 26, 2013 |
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Beastie posted:I had the queen, Atax, and that ship. Why won't Gearbox let me live out my childhood?! Most of the toys were based off the Dark Horse comic. The comics are really good.
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Feb 26, 2013 01:55
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Shaocaholica posted:Darn, I just torn off the shrink wrap. Have you not been paying attention to the ridiculous disaster this game has been? The thread title references DNF for a reason.
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sethsez posted:Have you not been paying attention to the ridiculous disaster this game has been? The thread title references DNF for a reason. Honestly I've been super busy with work and haven't even peaked in this thread until I already bought the game. The last time I even looked at anything was E3 footage from last E3 I think. Shaocaholica fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Feb 26, 2013 |
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Feb 26, 2013 02:35
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Shaocaholica posted:Honestly I've been super busy with work and haven't even peaking in this thread until I already bought the game. The last time I even looked at anything was E3 footage from last E3 I think. another one suckered into that demo footage 
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BadLlama posted:The whole concept of the Alien, like its movement and looks was supposed to be heavily influenced by the motions of Cats or something wasn't it? In Alien 3 in particular the concept according to David Fincher was to make it feel like a cross between a jaguar and a freight train. I liked that actually the way it's always at the extremes of either leisurely stalking/lounging around or barreling forward as fast as possible.
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Slayer1597 posted:I hate to keep making posts like these, but I am still looking for a few people that have A:CM or AVP2010 on the XBOX.  WendigoJohnson posted:Most of the toys were based off the Dark Horse comic. The comics are really good. They came out with a bunch of merchandise like birthday party favors and school supplies and t-shirts and poo poo, and even made the pilot episode for the show, and never aired it. Heck, I have the board game sitting in my closet right now. Then again I also have the 1979 'Alien' boardgame, too. It's pretty clever - each player controls one Astronaut and one Alien, and the objective is to get around the ship and complete certain tasks and then get to the Narcissus and escape before your friends do (or one of their Aliens eats you). Aliens are invincible and can use air ducts and poo poo, too. Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Feb 26, 2013 |
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quote:http://www.gatheryourparty.com/articles/2012/11/12/pound-of-flesh/ The art style ripoff is pretty bad but ripping another artist's work off by literally copy/pasting it into their cover guarantees 100% that I will never buy something with Gearbox's name on it again.
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I finished the the game about a week ago. I've been following the thread, but haven't posted anything because the game sucks and I hate myself for dropping the $70 I did on amazon to get it. I can only imagine how someone who blew extra money on the collector's edition must feel. In any case, my verdict is this: the campaign has a few decent moments, but mostly sucks. I played through the game on the hardest difficulty, assuming it was the best thing I could do to salvage what I was reading about the dog poo poo AI and other problems. Even then, I think the game maybe took about 10 hours to beat, and the writing in it is pretty much unsalvagably stupid. I never thought I'd experience something that actually made me say, "I think I preferred the story in Alien 3." Whoever said it made Alien: Resurrection look good by comparison was right, because at least that movie was interesting. Pretty much nothing in this game is interesting. I'm pretty sure at this point that I'm so pissed off about this that I won't give them any more of my money for anything. Sucks, because I was actually thinking about buying BL2 to play with my friend who really liked it, but I have no desire to feed the company anymore money. They didn't deserve the $70 I gave them. Maybe they deserved $20. The only silver lining is that some of the multiplayer is pretty enjoyable. Team Deathmatch is nothing to write home about. Whatever the egg one is (I don't even remember the name anymore) is basically King Of The Hill mode, and also pretty standard. Escape and Survival(?) are both pretty cool, as they seem to be the only two modes with any inspiration behind them, and they embrace the mechanics that were mostly left on the cutting board(sealing doors, setting up turrets, etc), and I think both of those are fun and worth playing. The gameplay can be kind of buggy sometimes, so hopefully they'll patch it more and I can pretend that there is at least a fractional justification for not selling this game to Gamestop( if they'd even give me money for this piece of poo poo in the first place). I'm really torn, because on one hand, I feel like the Horde mode might make it so I can get what I went to the game for in the first place, but on the other hand the last thing I want to do is pay these stupid motherfuckers another $10 when they should probably be refunding every single person who preordered this steaming pile of dog poo poo. God dammit, I bet this is how everybody who was a fan of Duke Nukem 3d felt when they released DNF. At least gaming journalism has something to call them into action now. All the news stories are pretty hilarious.
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Samizdata posted:I heard he donkey punches the dog. The sad thing is, I heard the dog isn't even his; he's just looking after it for someone. When the owners of that dog gave him some really nice treats to hand out, he instead gave them to another dog--one he actually owns himself--because he likes it way better and wants other people to shower it with praise and awards. So he makes his neighbor take care of the first dog, but doesn't tell them what the dog likes or its medical history or anything. After the 2nd dog wins at the dog show, he goes to retrieve the first dog but realizes it's sickly and on the verge of starving to death, so he quickly crams whatever he's got laying around down its throat and shoves it out the door and hopes its owners don't notice what terrible shape it's in.
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Yodzilla posted:Holy loving poo poo I must have seen that commercial a hundreds times as a kid. It's even more hilarious given the disturbing basic premise for the species but somehow had family friendly saturday cartoon potential.
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JaysonAych posted:The sad thing is, I heard the dog isn't even his; he's just looking after it for someone. When the owners of that dog gave him some really nice treats to hand out, he instead gave them to another dog--one he actually owns himself--because he likes it way better and wants other people to shower it with praise and awards. So he makes his neighbor take care of the first dog, but doesn't tell them what the dog likes or its medical history or anything. After the 2nd dog wins at the dog show, he goes to retrieve the first dog but realizes it's sickly and on the verge of starving to death, so he quickly crams whatever he's got laying around down its throat and shoves it out the door and hopes its owners don't notice what terrible shape it's in. Then when the first dog is sick and dying, he blames the neighbor, claiming he paid them and they did a terrible job, and the second dog's issues are NOT HIS FAULT BECAUSE HE IS AN EXCELLENT DOG SITTER AND THE NEIGHBOR IS A TERRIBLE TERRIBLE DOG HATING PERSON?
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The dog breeder can only watch the demise of the first dog in horror, tears streaming down his eyes like the water of Niagra Falls.
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Shaocaholica posted:Darn, I just tore off the shrink wrap. Go sell it back before people realize that they need to drop the trade in value. I bought it for PC so it's too late for me. Go while there is still time!
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Feb 26, 2013 07:12
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Way to murder that joke almostas quickly as Gearbox murdered the goodwill from Borderlands.
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etalian posted:It's even more hilarious given the disturbing basic premise for the species but somehow had family friendly saturday cartoon potential. 
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Execu-speak posted:What the hell just happened here This post pretty much sums up my experience with this game.
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TomWaitsForNoMan posted:Eurogamer just posted a story based on several anonymous sources at both Gearbox and Timegate: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-25-several-staffers-on-aliens-colonial-marines-spill-the-beans-on-what-went-wrong-report
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I love how the article says 'escort missions are stupid'. Then for the entire game we're the stupid sucker that is being escorted by the invincible AI.
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So were there any signs that this game would be so crappy the few months/weeks before release or did 'they' manage to keep a pretty good spin on things right up until the game came out? e: I guess the demo. Anything else? Shaocaholica fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Feb 26, 2013 |
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Shaocaholica posted:So were there any signs that this game would be so crappy the few months/weeks before release or did 'they' manage to keep a pretty good spin on things right up until the game came out? The leaks pretty much showed how lovely this game would be. People streaming the game after it got released early in some places.
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Pureauthor posted:Yeah, about that art direction... This is a little absurd. Nobody owns an art style as broad as "cel-shaded with comic book outlines". Borderlands does look like Codemasters, but so do alot of things that came before Codemasters, which the creator himself points out. Taking artistic inspiration from other sources is what artists do.
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Red Pyramid posted:This is a little absurd. Nobody owns an art style as broad as "cel-shaded with comic book outlines". Borderlands does look like Codemasters, but so do alot of things that came before Codemasters, which the creator himself points out. Taking artistic inspiration from other sources is what artists do.  ". There's a line where copying an art style too directly could be considered something more than inspiration but Borderlands hasn't crossed that line. For example if somebody started drawing comic books copying characters and line dynamic from Penny Arcade - it would be bad but you won't accuse somebody who uses black outlines, cartoon stylisation and flat color fields of plagiarism. It's ridiculous.
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It's not just a copy of "cel-shaded with comic book outlines," there's a lot more to it than that. There are a ton more similarities. Stuff like incredibly similar body proportions, handling of texture detail (the way they both use the same type of line scribble to indicate "roughness"), general aesthetics of the world (ragged cloth and worn/rusted iron and steel with similar-looking icons painted on them), the way everyone has something taped or bandaged up; hell, even the way they handle cracked/broken walls is the exact same. The mechanical stuff in both features giant cartoony lugnuts and screws with ridged piping. The walls not only have the same patchiness to them, but the same exact patches. Gearbox yanked a ton from this particular film beyond just the general cel-shaded look with comic book outlines, and this exact comparison gets handed around to us artists in the industry as "when you go for inspiration, don't get this close."
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Oh man, I was visiting my parents last night and, if you don't already know, my stepsister married a senior production management at Gearbox (trying not to name names and titles but I will say I was sad to see him in the A:CM credits). She was relaying his concerns about "this game" and it was funny because I knew about A:CM and try to fill them in on the whole story. Things will get kinda awkward next family get-together.
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Young Freud posted:Things will get kinda awkward next family get-together. If you bought the game look him dead in the eyes and ask for a refund. Hell, he might even do it out of the sheer guilt.
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Xenomrph posted:To be fair we actually did get a Robocop cartoon. The 90s was a wacky (reads: completely loving awesome) time to be a kid.
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