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Little kids watching old Tom and Jerry cartoons at my school. The American teachers all looking on uneasily as in every third or fourth episode there is casual or overt racism.
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It's been a while since I've seen one but I don't think there's any dialogue in Tom and Jerry? What is the educational value here?
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Feb 25, 2013 06:31
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Zero. If I get a group of kids who were just watching it I grill them on who did what, but they never answer, even if they have the vocabulary.
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Feb 25, 2013 06:58
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So we discussed uncultured mainlander airport making GBS threads in this thread before https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uZQ1CTASUA How about rich mainlander airport rampaging? This video is amazing. Apparently it was the second day in the row this deputy chairman of Yunnan Mining Corp, Yan Linkun, had shown up late for his flight and couldn't board, so he flipped his poo poo. Crazy video.
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Feb 26, 2013 03:07
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Bloodnose posted:So we discussed uncultured mainlander airport making GBS threads in this thread before And those guards just stand around, doing jack poo poo. I assume this is typical behaviour? From the cops, I mean? E: speaking of the bystander effect, I recall a video that made waves a year or two back of an abandoned toddler lying on the street getting repeatedly hurt. I remember one of the key reasons for this being a history of bad legal precedent for this, where people who try to help wound up getting caught up in nasty lawsuits. I was wondering if anyone had examples of key cases that created this precedent for helping people being unsafe, or if there was some kind of paper/write up on China's lack of good Samaritan laws. I figure there has to have been some pretty huge public cases for people to be so worried about assisting one another. Dr. Witherbone fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Feb 26, 2013 |
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Feb 26, 2013 04:10
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Dr. Witherbone posted:And those guards just stand around, doing jack poo poo. I assume this is typical behaviour? From the cops, I mean? 1) It's not really clear who those guys in uniform in the background are. They look too smartly dressed to be security guards for sure, and much better dressed than the average cop. They might be cops but they look more like off-duty military officers travelling on a civilian flight. The cops in airports would usually be wearing something more like cargo pants and a reflective vest and not button down jacket and tie. 2) Yep, security guards will definitely not do anything. I sure as hell wouldn't if I were a security guard, if they want me to go start getting physical with people or some poo poo, especially people who might be rich/connected, they'd have to pay me a lot more than what a security guard gets. EDIT: I'm pretty sure private security guards in western countries aren't legally mandated to, if they see trouble, do anything other than stay back and call the cops, either. 3) Even if I were a cop, why bother? The guy doesn't seem to be harming or threatening to harm anyone, he's just smashing up some office equipment. I'm not risking my loving life/limb to save some office equipment. It's all on film, the airline knows who he is and where he lives, want until he gets tired, take him away and the airline can press charges against him for the damage if they want. Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Feb 26, 2013 |
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Feb 26, 2013 04:27
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Dr. Witherbone posted:E: speaking of the bystander effect, I recall a video that made waves a year or two back of an abandoned toddler lying on the street getting repeatedly hurt. I remember one of the key reasons for this being a history of bad legal precedent for this, where people who try to help wound up getting caught up in nasty lawsuits. That would be this case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxh9DzZBdi8 It's a pretty hosed up video. The first guy who ran her over got a couple years in jail, if that's worth anything A counterexample: Uruguayan tourist saves woman from suicide-drowning in a lake, gets paid 3k yuan by "Hangzhou Foundation for Justice and Courage". Shanghai Daily posted:Officials said her act reflected the nature of Chinese people's foreign friends, as well as traditional Chinese virtues.  Throatwarbler posted:It's all on film, the airline knows who he is and where he lives, want until he gets tired, take him away and the airline can press charges against him for the damage if they want. Howard Winn posted:since this has been widely viewed online, his company has suspended him, and he also faces punishment as a member of Shizong County's political advisory body in Yunnan's Qujing City. Deep State of Mind fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Feb 26, 2013 |
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Feb 26, 2013 04:48
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I like the woman who walks right by the guy at 3:35. She looks like she's just moving for a better view! I can't help it, Chinese people look so much like a gaggle of awkward birds when they do the standing around silently in a huge crowd thing. It's the way they crane their necks and sway and take little careful steps through the crowd. It's like everything bad that happens in China attracts a flock of penguins. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Feb 26, 2013 |
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Feb 26, 2013 04:49
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Here's the Youku link for all the China goons: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTE4NDU0OTUy.html Views: Badass. And the case that set the precedent for China to have literally The Biggest Bystander Effect in the Entire World is linked here.
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Feb 26, 2013 05:09
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Dr. Witherbone posted:I was wondering if anyone had examples of key cases that created this precedent for helping people being unsafe, or if there was some kind of paper/write up on China's lack of good Samaritan laws. I figure there has to have been some pretty huge public cases for people to be so worried about assisting one another. The case that started it all was the Peng Yu Incident in 2006, where a man took an elderly woman to the hospital after she had fallen and was in turn sued by the woman and forced to pay by the courts. Chinasmack has some background info on the case. It was subsequently discovered in 2012 that the man actually was at fault and not some victimized good samaritan. But at this point, the damage had been done and people were weary of helping strangers for fear of being sued. It's bad enough that even state-run papers run opinion pieces lamenting the state of Good Samaritan laws in China and even calling for the Chinese government to follow the example of the US. [1][2][3]
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Feb 26, 2013 05:45
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goldboilermark posted:Here's the Youku link for all the China goons: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTE4NDU0OTUy.html Back in the late 90s before there were any white people in China(apparently) this film was all the rage. http://www.baike.com/wiki/%E3%80%8A%E7%A6%BB%E5%BC%80%E9%9B%B7%E9%94%8B%E7%9A%84%E6%97%A5%E5%AD%90%E3%80%8B I think in the Peng case it turned out that the guy who helped the old woman had, in fact pushed her. So at the end of the day never underestimate Chinese douchebaggery.
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Feb 26, 2013 05:48
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Bloodnose posted:So we discussed uncultured mainlander airport making GBS threads in this thread before That dude would have been Tazered to death in a Canadian airport, so now I am beginning to question what sort of police state you guys are running over there.
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Feb 26, 2013 06:35
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ocrumsprug posted:That dude would have been Tazered to death in a Canadian airport, so now I am beginning to question what sort of police state you guys are running over there. On a scale from George Orwell to Benny Hill, China is about a six.
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Feb 26, 2013 06:42
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Reminds me of This only without the rubberneckers
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Feb 26, 2013 06:49
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ocrumsprug posted:That dude would have been Tazered to death in a Canadian airport, so now I am beginning to question what sort of police state you guys are running over there. There are four laws in China you can not break, and having a hissy fit like a boss at an airport is not one of them.
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Feb 26, 2013 07:06
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ocrumsprug posted:That dude would have been Tazered to death in a Canadian airport, so now I am beginning to question what sort of police state you guys are running over there. I don't think there would have been the same reaction if the dude was a migrant worker that somehow got a plane ticket then flipped out.
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Feb 26, 2013 07:54
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Has a migrant worker ever flipped out?
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Feb 26, 2013 08:37
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goldboilermark posted:There are four laws in China you can not break, and having a hissy fit like a boss at an airport is not one of them. Oh poo poo what are they? I'm gonna break all the other ones once I have an answer so choose carefully!
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Feb 26, 2013 08:52
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Arglebargle III posted:Oh poo poo what are they? I'm gonna break all the other ones once I have an answer so choose carefully! No murder, no rape, no ridiculous robbery, no bad-mouthing the government. I pretty much thing every other possible thing in China is ok.
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Feb 26, 2013 08:59
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goldboilermark posted:No murder, no rape, no ridiculous robbery, no bad-mouthing the government. Hard drugs are a nono also. Marijuana is generally unheard of except in Yunnan.
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Feb 26, 2013 09:17
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GlassEye-Boy posted:Hard drugs are a nono also. Marijuana is generally unheard of except in Yunnan. They are widely accessible if you know the right people, and in three and a half years I've never heard of one problem or situation for the guy. Considering how much he slings and how well known he is I have to assume that this is something he is just paying off on the side. Nice bloke, though.
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Feb 26, 2013 10:31
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What is it people are (or were a year ago) selling on the street in Sanlitun, then?
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Feb 26, 2013 10:48
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VideoTapir posted:What is it people are (or were a year ago) selling on the street in Sanlitun, then? Usually really lovely overpriced hash, and the unwritten rules of dealers in China are: When the government announces a "strike-hard" policy, you take a vacation (your cop buddies will tell you when to lay low) Have cop buddies, ideally coming from your supplier who pays them off Keep locals out of it and only target foreigners. Chinese cops will never give a poo poo. Don't be a dumbass trying to push large weights on the street. Literally everyone I know of who has played by those rules over the years never have had any problems. The government knows the problem exists, and as long as you play along with the media stunts and follow the "rules", you're fine. Important times of the year: don't be pushing drugs on the street. Some big convention or whatever going on: don't be pushing drugs on the street... it makes them look bad.
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Feb 26, 2013 13:28
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GlassEye-Boy posted:Hard drugs are a nono also. Marijuana is generally unheard of except in Yunnan. The Confucius family ancestral temple on top of Mount Taishan is covered, like literally blanketed as far as the eye can see, in ditch weed. None of the locals know what it is, so when I mentioned it to my teacher she looked at me like what you'd expect if you told the average American that the Washington Monument is made out of dried yak penises.
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Feb 26, 2013 19:10
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CIGNX posted:The case that started it all was the Peng Yu Incident in 2006, where a man took an elderly woman to the hospital after she had fallen and was in turn sued by the woman and forced to pay by the courts. Chinasmack has some background info on the case. It was subsequently discovered in 2012 that the man actually was at fault and not some victimized good samaritan. But at this point, the damage had been done and people were weary of helping strangers for fear of being sued. It's bad enough that even state-run papers run opinion pieces lamenting the state of Good Samaritan laws in China and even calling for the Chinese government to follow the example of the US. [1][2][3] More like the case that started the widespread use of this excuse for inaction. The behavior goes back a bit further, I wouldn't venture to say how far.
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Feb 27, 2013 00:58
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Here's a fun article that basically says that you can't have a law requiring Chinese officials to disclose assets, because that would literally cause the collapse of society when everyone sees how corrupt everyone is.SCMP posted:At the past seven annual meetings of the National People's Congress, lawyer Han Deyun repeatedly called for legislation requiring officials to declare their personal assets. By the way, does anyone have a good source for Chinese public servant salaries and benefits? I can't find where people are getting these figures.
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Feb 27, 2013 02:51
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Bloodnose posted:By the way, does anyone have a good source for Chinese public servant salaries and benefits? I can't find where people are getting these figures. All I have ever found out about salaries in China has come from job adverts.
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Feb 27, 2013 03:55
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I read an article about the plight of low-level bureaucrats in China. There was a guy they interviewed who basically said that corruption is all that makes it worthwhile, and if you're in a position where you can't profit from graft, it's one of the worst jobs you can have. You work from early morning to late night, get paid poo poo, and have basically no respect. With conditions like that, it's really no wonder that the people who gain any power at all start to abuse it horribly. edit: I mean, Bo's salary was something ridiculous like 25k a year. How bad must it be for data entry drone #242984?
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Feb 27, 2013 04:01
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I've seen in articles that Hu Jintao's official salary was like 10-15k a month. But I have no idea where the information comes from. In Chinese or English, Google is getting me nowhere except news articles that don't cite their source.
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Feb 27, 2013 04:04
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How much does the US Treasury Secretary or AG get paid compared to what he could make in the private sector? That's sort of the nature of any government job in any country outside of the Nordics or Singapore.
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Feb 27, 2013 04:25
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The U.S. President may not be getting paid the hundreds of millions that you might expect of a man with his power, but his official salary is over $400,000 USD a year. Even if he never made another dime, he'd still be rich. As I understand it (I haven't seen the official numbers and that's why I asked for them), Chinese public servants earn wages that are basically poverty. I've seen 3,000 RMB a month in some articles for mid-level officials. To provide for a family, you'd have to abuse your power. Now of course many of them get greedy and kick it up to 11 and buy gold chain character necklaces that say "gently caress DA POOR", but certainly the pathetically low compensation for people who pass one of the world's most competitive exams is part of the problem.
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Feb 27, 2013 04:59
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Bloodnose posted:The U.S. President may not be getting paid the hundreds of millions that you might expect of a man with his power, but his official salary is over $400,000 USD a year. Even if he never made another dime, he'd still be rich. This, this exactly. I have a good buddy who's corrupt. His first wife died, so he remarried. They each brought a kid to the relationship and then had #3 together. Good luck providing for that family on the official salary. Sure, the theory is that they should be poor like everyone else. But, gently caress that, this is China, you get what you can get while you can get it. Once you're retired, that's the end of the line for you. No talk shows, no speech tours, no book deals. Your pension will be based on your official salary. You don't usually start out in the grafty positions to start with either. You get a max of like 10, *maybe* 15 years of prime time to stash away what you can for the family.
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Feb 27, 2013 05:43
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Can't you just have two job titles and earn two salaries? I thought a "lecturer" who was also "clerk" to the department would get two paychecks.
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Feb 27, 2013 06:00
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GuestBob posted:Can't you just have two job titles and earn two salaries? I thought a "lecturer" who was also "clerk" to the department would get two paychecks. Maybe, but I think that'd be a tougher sell. With hidden assets, you can at least play a little razzle dazzle to keep your graft out of the public eye. With two job titles though, you're probably on a dozen different registries, and I think most people would get pissed at someone getting two paychecks for the work of one.
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Feb 27, 2013 06:06
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GuestBob posted:Can't you just have two job titles and earn two salaries? I thought a "lecturer" who was also "clerk" to the department would get two paychecks. It's also quite literally impossible to move up without being corrupt. If you work in taxation. There will be those who want to just bribe you to look the other way. If you refuse the bribes and demand the taxes instead, you are pissing off everyone who wants to give a hongbao, you are pissing off your family because you're wasting a position to get ahead, and you're pissing off your co-workers who are sick of being poor. Due to this resistance, you will never advance and probably be dismissed. Obviously there's a difference in levels of corruption. My buddy basically uses it to stash away some valuable stuff here and there, has 2 rentals (from back in the day when companies gave free housing) in addition to an oddly cheap apartment his family lives in which is well-furnished, drives an ok car, and his way of getting cash is flipping used cars, which get marked up by like 2-3w and bought without question. It's either that, or try and support a family of 5 on 3000 RMB a month. It tends to be the ones who seemingly go out of their way to be corrupt for corruption's sake that are the villains. Basically kinda like the mafia. Gotta make your bones to be trusted, but if you are bringing in too much attention and being an idiot, they'll whack you themselves.
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Feb 27, 2013 06:16
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Pro-PRC Laowai posted:and his way of getting cash is flipping used cars, which get marked up by like 2-3w and bought without question. Is this coming with some assistance in getting the cars registered? I think that would explain the markup.
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Feb 27, 2013 06:21
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VideoTapir posted:Is this coming with some assistance in getting the cars registered? I think that would explain the markup. Nope. It just so happens that people who need a favor dealing with tax issues are willing to buy a car from him for a markup. Only does this maybe 5 or 6 times a year though. The rest is basically people buying poo poo for his kids. He's got a LOT of really nice poo poo stashed away though. Kinda obvious that he's corrupt, but it's not hurting anyone. At the really low-end in the department there, the corruption starts off with stuff like getting free food at the markets and eating for free in restaurants that don't give fapiao. Oh, and just remembered another thingy. Some temple got organized up in the mountains. At some level in the department they helped them get through all the red tape, so if you go through some of the people there, they get a kickback, you get a cheap grave site in a really nice place instead of paying the going rates.
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Feb 27, 2013 06:34
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Doesn't a lot of this effectively divert revenues from the state to the official's pockets, thus diminishing their ability to pay non-graft-level employees enough to give a gently caress? It seems like this is a problem which is undermining its only non-violent solution. edit: Not that I expect your friend to be able to do anything about it.
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Feb 27, 2013 07:22
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The weird thing about government balance sheets in China is that all the taxes go to the central government, but the responsibility for projects and services go to local governments. So a local tax official isn't collecting money for his own salary, he's collecting it for like PLAN stealth destroyers. Local jurisdictions get money mostly through land sales.
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Cry me a loving river if you work in Chinese government  Then don't be a loving public official and get a real job like everyone else. Engineering friend of mine was in working in public position. Most of the time was spent on kissing rear end instead of actually developing a skill set. She basically quit her job and moved to Shanghai for a multi national engineering firm where she actually has to use a brain. Being corrupt and greedy is one thing, but being incompetent is another. The system encourages incompetence. Want to try applying for a driver's license? Or a marriage certificate when you live out of your hukou? Good loving luck because you will be guranteed to jump through a gazillion hoops and have the right red stamps. Perhaps I'm just spoiled by Hong Kong's efficient government where poo poo and infrastructure just works. When I visited her in Wenzhou to play part time boyfriend in her front of parents, we went and visited a cousin of her's. This cousin was part of the museum/tourist office. The whole experience was surreal, we just needed to name drop and avoid paying for entree fees, have personal drivers and tour guides giving us tours, free food, and best of all. The museum was closed but we get a private tour anyways. And hearing him talk about how most of the props and displays in the martyr's memorial was fake/photoshopped pictures/or poo poo he bought from tao bao. There's really a huge divide between "in the circle", and "out of the circle". Being in the circle, everyone was super nice, but we can see feel the contempt they have for regular tourists and yell at everyone blocking their golf cart rides (when they are clearing not suppose to drive up there). Hey if doing business in China means government fees, fine bring em in charge me through the roof. But let me know beforehand instead of just relying on this dude or that other dude's brother intel with some arbitrary number. All this uncertainty and guessing is just a waste of everyone's time and productivity. Have all the fees/prices/bribes and poo poo baked into the system instead of deciding on the number of shots of baijiu I have to slog through. Bloodnose posted:The weird thing about government balance sheets in China is that all the taxes go to the central government, but the responsibility for projects and services go to local governments. So a local tax official isn't collecting money for his own salary, he's collecting it for like PLAN stealth destroyers. Local jurisdictions get money mostly through land sales. Pretty much this. So even if there are crack downs, the local guys will still feel left out from the pie and be corrupt. Unless the initial crackdown is system wide hard and rebooted. Not going to happen at all, but the increased transparency protocols and recent flak are causing people to be more stealthy instead of flash their audi/gucci. There was a joint venture with a multi national company and they like to do everything by the books. So when there was an audit of scrap metal going to some local official's company, the partner wanted to ditch the official's prices and go for out of town scrap collectors to net an additional 20% profit. It was hilarious that local custom officials, police (gong-an) and any villager affiliated with the official came out and blockaded everything. Our partner had better guanxi and just called the Guangzhou bureau and had riot police haul everyone in and beat down the local police  However, no one big really got hauled in and we couldn't get work related to the partner signed or okayed as retaliation  caberham fucked around with this message at 07:46 on Feb 27, 2013 |
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