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quote:the point is that either way it's still capital-E Evil. Actually I would say it is EVIL, with all capital letters.
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Cliff Racer posted:Gassing people is no more evil than killing them through arena fighting. If anything it is an equal death whereas the arena gives stronger people an advantage over weaker ones. Not to mention that the gas might very well be a lot less painful and humiliating than getting your arms chopped off by a retarded ogre while people cheer at your death. Wow, coming from someone with your avatar....
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Mar 2, 2013 12:32
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Given my experience with this forum, I would wager a guess that he didn't exactly, ah, choose this particular avatar of his own volition. There is a fifty-fifty chance that he isn't even Jewish. At any rate, there isn't much useful moral insight to be gained from comparing the moral acceptability of methods of mass murder.
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Mar 2, 2013 13:04
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Can we go back to arguing whether the spells Durkon casted on himself would provide a reasonable advantage against a vampire cleric? I prefer that to this.
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Mar 2, 2013 15:26
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Why not debate if a cartoon cleric of a fictious death god is comparable to Hitler ?
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Mar 2, 2013 15:29
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Better idea: a betting pool on how many comics until Vaarsuvius shows up. I say three.
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NihilCredo posted:Better idea: a betting pool on how many comics until Vaarsuvius shows up. I say three. Honestly, it depends upon the flow. V could show up, and then accomplish absolutely nothing. Or, she could be late, and arrive just in time to swing the final battle in the Order's favor- and then have one of the IFCC cash in their debt.
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Mar 2, 2013 15:35
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Well, he has no weapons. His slam attack is 1d6 plus level drain, but no level drain. A Lizardman claw/claw/bite attack is 1d4+1/1d4+1/1d4, he probably has about a 19 strength so that's about 21.5 damage on average if he hits with all three and does not move. But his base attack bonus probably isn't amazing or anything and Durkon probably has a fairly good AC. Malack also has blood drain if he can grapple, and probably has a good grapple attack. However if one of Durkon's 4th level spells is freedom of movement that would be impossible. His most devastating abilities and spells are actually mostly useless at the moment because of death ward. Durkon isn't really any better off, and Malack's regeneration gives him a total advantage, but Durkon could survive a battle of attrition for a very good number of rounds, perhaps enough for someone to intervene.
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Mar 2, 2013 15:39
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How long until Death Ward wears off?
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Mar 2, 2013 15:53
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He actually has a quarterstaff but he put it down a few pages ago.
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Mar 2, 2013 16:14
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Pope Guilty posted:How long until Death Ward wears off? It's like a minute per level, so quite a while.
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Mar 2, 2013 16:21
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skipThings posted:The priest of Loki who killed "brainy" pete Loving the back-and-forth swings in this fight. And "What Would Roy Do?".
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Mar 2, 2013 18:17
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If we're including may-not-be-outright-evil evil characters, I submit the Monster in the Dark.
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Mar 2, 2013 18:43
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My Lovely Horse posted:If we're including may-not-be-outright-evil evil characters, I submit the Monster in the Dark. Nope. When a paladin says you're a "good man" then you're at worst Neutral, maybe even Good. No way is MitD actually Evil, especially since O-Chul can magically determine if that is so.
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Mar 2, 2013 18:59
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jng2058 posted:Nope. When a paladin says you're a "good man" then you're at worst Neutral, maybe even Good. No way is MitD actually Evil, especially since O-Chul can magically determine if that is so. But then why would Xykon have him on the team?
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Mar 2, 2013 19:57
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TheAceOfLungs posted:But then why would Xykon have him on the team? Because the monster isn't the brightest tool in the shed and can probably either be manipulated or magically forced to do his bidding.
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TheAceOfLungs posted:But then why would Xykon have him on the team? He's big and scary and does what he's told.
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TheAceOfLungs posted:But then why would Xykon have him on the team? Using an evil big scary monster to kill and destroy is evil. Using a good big scary monster for the same is double-evil-plus and, therefore, more amusing, which is one of Xykon's priorities.
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Mar 2, 2013 20:21
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There's also a Start of Darkness reason which I won't bring up, those who've read it will know what I'm talking about and it spoils basically the whole comic to describe.
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Mar 2, 2013 22:39
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 Order of the Stick 876: EnsnaredVampire Durkon it is.
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Mar 2, 2013 23:39
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 Welp. Malack may be a bastard, but he's a magnificent one.
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Mar 2, 2013 23:42
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Oh my god Malack's a sarrukh?
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Mar 2, 2013 23:42
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I have to say, this is one of the longest successive speeches Durkon has given and despite the seriousness of the scene, his accent makes it all a little ridiculous. "Oh, me spell" had me actually laughing. It doesn't help that he sounds like the Demoman from TF2 in my head anyway.
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Mar 2, 2013 23:47
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Why didn't he just do that in the first place? It feels kind of made up.
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Mar 2, 2013 23:50
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greatn posted:Why didn't he just do that in the first place? It feels kind of made up. Because he didn't want to give Durkon a chance to come up with some other plan. Better to just let him charge in and get grabbed, then take away the only advantage he has. e: Or that. vvvvv
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Mar 2, 2013 23:53
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greatn posted:Why didn't he just do that in the first place? It feels kind of made up. He tried getting into close quarters and ate a full-powered Heal. He needed to wait for Durkon to blow his arsenal first.
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Mar 2, 2013 23:53
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Durkon is hosed! Unless V shows up in the next strip of Belkar shakes off his Hold Person, we've got the answer to one of of our prophecies.
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Mar 2, 2013 23:57
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Should Death Ward even protect against a vampire bite? It's a simple con drain extraordinary ability, and not a negative energy spell like ability.
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Mar 2, 2013 23:59
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I don't think Death Ward protects from the bite in the first place, but it's so much cooler this way. Divine Power + grapple + blood drain is exactly how I predicted Malack ending the fight since it started, I just expected it a little sooner than this.
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Mar 3, 2013 00:02
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Looks like we're getting Vampire Durkon, and probably Dead As A Doornail Belkar. Considering the common criticism of Durkon as a dull, flat character, a forced alignment shift and the likely conclusion of his prophecy as a result should go a long way to developing him. I could even imagine Xykon showing up, vaporizing Malack and then taking control of Durkon with some undead-controlling magic so he can have his own pocket-priest for the Snarl ritual now that Tsukiko is dead.
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Mar 3, 2013 00:14
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I say Belkar becomes a snack for freshly minted vampire Durkon.
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It all depends on how much of a bastard Rich is. We all thought we knew what was coming with Belkar getting bit, and now we're faced with the exact same panel except with Durkon as the victim. I'm not getting on board the Vampire Durkon train until I see fangs over the beard.
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Mar 3, 2013 00:29
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Vampire Durkon, vampire Belkar and... vampire Mr Scruffy? 
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Mar 3, 2013 00:30
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What the heck is Malack anyway with that tail? Yuan-ti? Naga?
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Mar 3, 2013 00:37
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Killing two party members in this single encounter with Malak seems overkill, story-wise. My hunch is something will rescue Belkar and cause Malak to withdraw, but not before Durkon gets vamped.
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Mar 3, 2013 00:42
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Soonmot posted:Durkon is hosed! Unless V shows up in the next strip of Belkar shakes off his Hold Person, we've got the answer to one of of our prophecies. V appearing seems too obvious. It does seem like Roy and Haley have let Belkar and Durkon wander off for too long.
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Mar 3, 2013 00:48
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Colonel Cool posted:What the heck is Malack anyway with that tail? Yuan-ti? Naga? He is a common lizardfolk.
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Soonmot posted:Durkon is hosed! Unless V shows up in the next strip of Belkar shakes off his Hold Person, we've got the answer to one of of our prophecies. Given that we just saw this exact scenario play out with Belkar and Durkon, I doubt we see another last-second rescue.
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Mar 3, 2013 00:56
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run DNC posted:He is a common lizardfolk.
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Toplowtech posted:Common lizardfolk in 3.5 are humanoids with feet and a tail for balance. Malack clearly has no feet. By the timescale of his (un)life, Malack's birth was probably way before 3.5.
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