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XboxPants posted:Well I'm not sure what the point of that link was. The point is Valve is moving into console space. You don't have to shut down everything on your computer if you want to use it, either. Or shut down anything to use big picture. I'm not sure what you're asking here, to be honest.
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Mar 3, 2013 06:15
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boo_radley posted:The point is Valve is moving into console space. I'm pretty sure he has a really old and bad computer that he runs minecraft servers on while trying to play other games for some bizarre reason.
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Install Gentoo posted:I'm pretty sure he has a really old and bad computer that he runs minecraft servers on while trying to play other games for some bizarre reason. Its also mining his bitcoins
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Mar 3, 2013 06:19
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Install Gentoo posted:I'm pretty sure he has a really old and bad computer that he runs minecraft servers on while trying to play other games for some bizarre reason. It's ok though, he should be able to run Minecraft on his SCOOBY, freeing up his machine for more important things like virus scanning at inconvenient hours and leaving Skype on all the time.
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Mar 3, 2013 06:21
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boo_radley posted:The point is Valve is moving into console space. Uhhh the link he gave was to a rules thread in a Go forum. Though I guess even a cheap-rear end $100 go board & stones set would be a better investment than an OUYA so if that was the point I'll concede it. Anyway, he wasn't just talking about big picture, but booting into it. Please, tell me about how I can reboot my computer without shutting anything down.
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Mar 3, 2013 06:22
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XboxPants posted:
All that poo poo you can either turn off in windows settings or choose to not run at startup. If someone interrupts you with Skype on, just turn it off or better yet uninstall it because jerks should contact you on the Steam client instead of some voice and video program. Nothing is worse than having your game interrupted just so some jerk can tell you about how awesome their lunch was. Asking if they can join a game is another thing, but skype is not for games. 
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Mar 3, 2013 06:23
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XboxPants posted:I really don't feel like the general principle I'm talking about is that strange. Whether it holds up for OUYA is one thing, but the general idea that a console is easier to set up and use than a PC? I really don't think you'd get much argument about that outside of a board like this. The market for OUYA, as mentioned a couple posts ago, is fans of Android and indie games. Your average console consumer will look at the average indie game and say that it blows. As the launch lineup for the OUYA shows us, generally indie games do kind of blow and unless you're invested in gaming as a hobby I can't see much reason to look twice at the vast majority of them. So your target audience becomes people who really want to play Android or indie games for whatever reason. Android fans already have Android devices available which already have games that are far superior to what the OUYA offers, not to mention that those devices can do more than play those games. Indie game fans are probably fairly well-versed in accessing indie games and making them run on a PC and wouldn't need the (marginal) increase in simplicity from using a console to do that. As for your list of examples, every single one of these are toggles or options that would take less than thirty seconds to address if they're that disruptive to your experience. If you spend a lot of time playing full-screen games, why would you even have things like automatic updates/reboots and applications stealing focus turned on to begin with? And if having to turn the computer on is enough to make you not want to play a computer game, how is playing on a console going to change anything? Chances are you'll turn off the console when you're done with it too.
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Mar 3, 2013 06:37
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XboxPants posted:Anyway, he wasn't just talking about big picture, but booting into it. Please, tell me about how I can reboot my computer without shutting anything down. It's so cute when you try to be condescending. Like a puppy growling at you from a puddle of its own piss
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Mar 3, 2013 06:41
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Reverend Catharsis posted:I think the big reason for the Gamecube's failure wasn't because of the Gamecube but because Nintendo dropped the ball. Third party game development for the GC sucked on toast. They only had four or five games that were worth a drat. Pikmin, Pikmin 2, Smash Bros Melee, what else.. Twilight Princess, but that was too late in the console's lifetime, the OoT/MM remakes. The PS2 and Xbox by comparison had significantly large libraries of awesome titles or at least loads of interesting ones. caldrax posted:I got some good use out of the Gamecube. F-Zero, Beyond Good and Evil, Resident Evil 4... ok I don't remember anything else right now but I really liked those games. But Rocks Hurt Head posted:Between RE4, RE0, REMake, Eternal Darkness, SSBM, Pikmin, Wind Waker, Cubivore, Killer7, Skies of Arcadia, Tales of Symphonia, and any number of other games, I've got a feeling the GC legacy is going to grow with time, much like the Dreamcast. How the gently caress does nobody mention Metroid Prime.
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Mar 3, 2013 06:47
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But Rocks Hurt Head posted:No one is going to pour one out for the OUYA in 10 years. Hipsters, BRHH. Hipsters will pour one out for the AFLACK in ten years. Presuming they haven't died out from starvation and lung cancer.
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Mar 3, 2013 06:53
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Requested_Username posted:How the gently caress does nobody mention Metroid Prime. To be fair, if you scannned 100% of everything ever in a single playthrough, you knew what the definition of punishment was.
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Mar 3, 2013 06:54
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Requested_Username posted:How the gently caress does nobody mention Metroid Prime. Oh my god of course. My favorite game on the system. I guess now that I have the collection with superior controls for Wii I stopped classifying it as a GC game. Reverend Catharsis posted:Hipsters, BRHH. Hipsters will pour one out for the AFLACK in ten years. Presuming they haven't died out from starvation and lung cancer. OUYA: the Atari Lynx of the 2010s
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Mar 3, 2013 07:02
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Ludicrous G. Gibs posted:Chances are you'll turn off the console when you're done with it too. Yes, but I can turn the console back with the gamepad. Ludicrous G. Gibs posted:As for your list of examples, every single one of these are toggles or options that would take less than thirty seconds to address if they're that disruptive to your experience. I don't believe you. Some of them, sure. But what's the toggle for "make chrome never crash"? If you'd like to give some details, I'll thin down the list and fill things in with specific examples: •Chrome is crashing because (I have a ton of tabs open) and it chose to do so while I'm trying to not lose, and now it's making the game chug up like crazy •I'm playing a game while running my Minecraft server because I'm not gonna turn it off every time I wanna play a game, and someone did something to corrupt the world and crash it and it's making the game I'm playing play like poo poo •My computer is doing some (video rendering) and I should probably wait until that's done to play a game on it •The PC audio settings are (muted), so now I have to fix that first •This game only goes full screen on the primary screen, which is set as my monitor, so now I have to fix that first (Or does Big Picture somehow address that particular issue?)
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XboxPants posted:I really don't feel like the general principle I'm talking about is that strange. Whether it holds up for OUYA is one thing, but the general idea that a console is easier to set up and use than a PC? I really don't think you'd get much argument about that outside of a board like this. Wait is your complaint that you are actually too stupid to use a PC? Dude if you are actually claiming I HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE SOUND IS TURNED ON or on the other end of the spectrum I AM RUNNING VIDEO RENDERING you might want to hang it up.
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Mar 3, 2013 07:06
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Winson_Paine posted:Wait is your complaint that you are actually too stupid to use a PC? Dude if you are actually claiming I HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE SOUND IS TURNED ON or on the other end of the spectrum I AM RUNNING VIDEO RENDERING you might want to hang it up. Well it worked for the iMac. Having Jeff Goldblum tell you that you only needed a single plug and none of the mumbo jumbo like a seperate tower and monitor certainly sold people.
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Mar 3, 2013 07:08
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XboxPants posted:Yes, but I can turn the console back with the gamepad.
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XboxPants posted:
Close Chrome before you start playing the game? Oh no my sound is turned off now I literally have to click twice to turn it back on...
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Mar 3, 2013 07:09
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XboxPants posted:I really don't feel like the general principle I'm talking about is that strange. Whether it holds up for OUYA is one thing, but the general idea that a console is easier to set up and use than a PC? I really don't think you'd get much argument about that outside of a board like this. You can fix about 75% of these problems by holding down the alt key and pressing the tab key.
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Mar 3, 2013 07:10
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But Rocks Hurt Head posted:OUYA: the Atari Lynx of the 2010s More like the Watara Supervision of the 2010s.
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XboxPants posted:Yes, but I can turn the console back with the gamepad. jesus christ
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Winson_Paine posted:Wait is your complaint that you are actually too stupid to use a PC? Dude if you are actually claiming I HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE SOUND IS TURNED ON or on the other end of the spectrum I AM RUNNING VIDEO RENDERING you might want to hang it up. All I said was: "Occasionally I may leave the sound muted, and that would be annoying if I were trying to do 10-foot gaming without a mouse." What's wrong with that?
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Mar 3, 2013 07:11
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I await the day when Valve releases their Steam console and the startup screen is nothing but Gabe Newell opening up the OUYA taking it's board out, slathering some port wine cheese on it like a classy motherfucker and then eating that poo poo like a cracker.
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I am starting to get genuinely concerned that once you have the Ouya you are going to try to play it by bashing your forehead into it repeatedly. And initially (read: when I first looked at the kickstarter) I was someone who was trying to get behind this system.
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XboxPants posted:All I said was: Wireless mouse? Every OUYAWHELMING problem you mention could be solved in 5 secs. If having to adjust sound is a barrier to game enjoyment, wouldn't you just end up killing yourself if you ever lost your remote? "Get up and press buttons? gently caress THIS WHERE'S MY KICKSTARTER FOR THOUGHT CONTROLLED VOLUME"
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Mar 3, 2013 07:16
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The root of your problems - Most of them anyway - is that you appear to be too lazy to get off the couch to click away a window or close unused programs before playing games. In my days, we had to get up and blow into the cartridge, then perform an elaborate ritual to get our consoles to start. I have no sympathy for your lazy rear end.
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Mar 3, 2013 07:17
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OOGApants does have a relevant point. In the long gone days of consoles without Internet connection you could switch on your tv, put a dsc in, close the lid and push the power button. They would get a console game running, much easier that a windows 98 PC of the era with lovely performance and endless crashing. All the items described don't slow my current PC at all. However those items would apply to any OOGA especially with android viruses becoming more common. The OOGA doesn't have the hardware resources to deal with all of those items. That's assuming you can install Skype on it (like the cheaper stickdroids that do the same job as the OOGA).
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I too remember the old rituals we used to preform to the console gods. I just wish we knew back then, that offerings of q-tips soaked in rubbing alcohol were much more effective at gaining their favor. However everything in that list to the seasoned PC gamer is not an issue at all. It's like saying that UYA is for people too dependent to live and care for themselves. The Taint Reaper fucked around with this message at 07:21 on Mar 3, 2013 |
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pentyne posted:Wireless mouse? This is absolutely true. But why would I want to solve them, when I could just sidestep them entirely? What is gained? If there is an easy problem that I may either solve, or avoid entirely, why does it make me stupid to choose to just avoid them?
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Mar 3, 2013 07:20
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FrozenVent posted:The root of your problems - Most of them anyway - is that you appear to be too lazy to get off the couch to click away a window or close unused programs before playing games. It my day we had to type in the entire code for the game before we could play it, or spend 30 minutes loading it from a tape.
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XboxPants posted:This is absolutely true. But why would I want to solve them, when I could just sidestep them entirely? What is gained? Because it cost you 100 dollars and your dignity. OUYA.
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Mar 3, 2013 07:21
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XboxPants posted:This is absolutely true. But why would I want to solve them, when I could just sidestep them entirely? What is gained? Partly because the system is better in ways that mitigate that 5 second inconvenience. Partly because the SAMMY DAVIS JUNYA will probably have problems of that magnitude, or worse. Especially if you're setting the bar as low as "there's no sound help".
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WendigoJohnson posted:All that poo poo you can either turn off in windows settings or choose to not run at startup. If someone interrupts you with Skype on, just turn it off or better yet uninstall it because jerks should contact you on the Steam client instead of some voice and video program. Nothing is worse than having your game interrupted just so some jerk can tell you about how awesome their lunch was. Asking if they can join a game is another thing, but skype is not for games. "My OUYA cannot use Skype, and I consider this to be a feature"
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FrozenVent posted:The root of your problems - Most of them anyway - is that you appear to be too lazy to get off the couch to click away a window or close unused programs before playing games. It's not that I'm unwilling. I play games like this currently, even. All I'm saying is that it's better to not have to deal with those things. And people genuinely seem to be arguing that it's more fun if you have to deal with additional steps that interrupt the experience.
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XboxPants posted:I don't believe you. Some of them, sure. But what's the toggle for "make chrome never crash"? If you'd like to give some details, I'll thin down the list and fill things in with specific examples: ctrl+w also works if your mouse arm is too noodley to drag your hardware across the high-friction surface of a mousepad every time quote:•The PC audio settings are (muted), so now I have to fix that first 
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XboxPants posted:This is absolutely true. But why would I want to solve them, when I could just sidestep them entirely? What is gained? You are paying $100 to save a few seconds before plopping down to play video games for hours. If you aren't the reincarnation of TobleroneTriangular and this is your purestrain gold then you really should hang yourself if you think every minor inconvenience should be solved by an expensive electronic device.
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XboxPants posted:If there is an easy problem that I may either solve, or avoid entirely, why does it make me stupid to choose to just avoid them? If you were interested in avoiding easily avoided problems, I doubt you would be humping the leg of the OUYA nearly this hard dude.
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XboxPants posted:It's not that I'm unwilling. I play games like this currently, even. All I'm saying is that it's better to not have to deal with those things. And people genuinely seem to be arguing that it's more fun if you have to deal with additional steps that interrupt the experience. In the time you have spent proving to a dozen strangers that you are a big dumb idiot you could have "solved your problems" a hundred times. Are you hoping to eventually win one of these arguments, or do you just enjoy the process?
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XboxPants posted:It's not that I'm unwilling. I play games like this currently, even. All I'm saying is that it's better to not have to deal with those things. And people genuinely seem to be arguing that it's more fun if you have to deal with additional steps that interrupt the experience. This is like choosing to go on a blind date with a prostitute when you already have a willing and beautiful wife waiting for you at home.
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XboxPants posted:This is absolutely true. But why would I want to solve them, when I could just sidestep them entirely? What is gained? A wireless mouse and an OJEAH both solve yoru problem, but a mouse costs 20$ and your OJEAH costs 100$ and also doesn't exist.
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