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 They forgot Battler was an Ushiromiya too.Beatrice is surprisingly merciful. Now, are we to assume that this same lead-up happened before Episode 1?
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Assuming the "Beatrice" we see here is the same one we saw on Episode 1, we can make several assumptions: 1. He/she is on the island for at least two years before Episode 1 starts. 2. He/she is not Kanon. (and most likely not Shannon unless she was hallucinating really badly.) And if we take Godha's note into account as well, 3. He/she is very knowledgeable about the building's layout, which allows him/her to go around undetected. It is suspicious that Kanon is still hostile to Beatrice in both Godha's account and Episode 1 though, considering that he has both seen her speed drawing and her person.
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Battler wasn't attending the family conferences at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't formally consider him an Uroshimiya.
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Kinzo considered Battler to be stricken from the record because how dare he want to leave behind his glorious heritage of psychosis and dickbaggery, so yeah he's not officially a factory. Anyway as far as the creepiness of George/Shannon goes, well that's what you get when your story is a weird Japanese rendition of Victorian era literature. You've got the weird master/servant romances with older dudes, the highly classical style murder mystery, and then a whole bunch of weird poo poo about Japanese financial politics and witches. It's all part of a balanced breakfast 
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Golden Sneer is an amazingly good track. That and the one with the steel drum (Some sort of metal percussion instrument, at any rate) are my favorites that I've heard in the game so far. As far as Shannon and George's relationship- I can't really get too terribly hung up over the age difference. Shannon has been working for her bread for many years at this point, and is 15 in the present day? And 7 year age difference is a lot smaller once you tack 10, or even 5 years onto either of their ages. Also- I can't help but feel like, to some degree, the ages were just poorly thought-out and not necessarily an important plot point in the context of their relationship (which would be more creepy). Also, I find it interesting that Jessica seems to be taking Eva oba-san as her role-model at this point in the history of the Ushiromiya Saga. Sardonic, sadistic and consistently hitting too close to home for anyone around her to be terribly comfortable. Much better than the "Oh woe is me everyone I've ever loved is dead and mutilated, let's throw a hissy fit and get all the attention" character we saw in the first go-'round.
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From the Date with George Shannon appeared to have decided to take Beatrice's deal. Meaning she is responsible for everything.
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Cake Attack posted:Battler wasn't attending the family conferences at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't formally consider him an Uroshimiya. But wouldn't the line have been only "You are the only grandson" instead of "You are the only grandson to carry Father's blood"? Even if Battler wouldn't join the conferences, I don't see how his bloodstatus would change. So, here's my theory: Battler is adopted. Proof #1: He doesn't carry Kinzo's blood. Proof #2: Rudolf said something like "I want to talk with you (Battler) later... I'll probably get killed tonight". It's possible that Rudolf wanted to tell Battler that he was adopted and was afraid that Battler would get really mad. How is this relevant to the mystery? I have no idea.
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Good job Shannon. It may not be a Deal with the literal Devil, but it's good odds that Beatrice second in line for "never bargin with"Autumncomet posted:
A good general rule of thumb is that if it happens before the family conference in 1986, then there's good odds it happened every game. Edit: I had somehow missed that Beatrice was talking about Jesus until you pointed it out Shiny. 
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Kytrarewn posted:
You don't have to justify it (and why are you trying to?). If you remember his weird as hell proposal, George is just a creep  .
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Sir, I'll have you know I've been happily wed to a chaise longue for many a year. Take your hate speech elsewhere! And hey, I finally caught up with the LP. Comparing this with Higurashi, the author seems heavily invested in themes of trust vs. paranoia. It's... weirdly uplifting in its way. You know, behind all the gore and insanity.
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Mar 4, 2013 16:45
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You know, between George/Shannon's relationship and how the adults are all supposed to be in their fifties, I'm just going to assume the author doesn't understand how ages work.
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MonsterEnvy posted:From the Date with George Shannon appeared to have decided to take Beatrice's deal. Meaning she is responsible for everything. From the date, yeah, and the part after that where she shatters a mirror from a torii.
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Wandering Knitter posted:You know, between George/Shannon's relationship and how the adults are all supposed to be in their fifties, I'm just going to assume the author doesn't understand how ages work. A lot of Japanese games get this wrong as well! 
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In anime no one ages between 30 and 70.
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Wandering Knitter posted:You know, between George/Shannon's relationship and how the adults are all supposed to be in their fifties, I'm just going to assume the author doesn't understand how ages work. Krauss and Eva are the only 2 parents that are 50.
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Shiny777 posted:Next time: Without love, it cannot be seen. This line is, by far, the one you will hear the most in this series. Countless and infinite amounts of time you will see or hear it to the point that you will just stop caring. Regarding this update, the whole thing is starting to piece together slowly, very slowly. But we are still way off from the peak of this episode.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Krauss and Eva are the only 2 parents that are 50. Digging up an earlier post to expand on that... Shiny777 posted:Checking the relevant wiki, it pegs the following:
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Natsuhi is pretty close to 50 though.
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Eva was also said to be really fit and attractive for her age. Krauss looks his age and I would say that Natsuhi while attractive does look older then Eva.
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Part Twenty-Seven: Without Love, It Cannot Be Seen    : "Y-,... Yes... I mean, ... was it that strange...?"Since Jessica's cheeks had been stuffed with chocolate-coated chinsukou biscuit that Shannon had brought as a present from Okinawa, it all flew out at Shannon when Jessica cried out...  : "...Sh, Shannon, why did you even go on a trip up to Okinawa...? And even alone with George nii-san!" : "That is, I mean..., since there's a very big aquarium in Okinawa, I was invited to go and... I, ...like fish and stuff..." : "No, that's not it!! This is a young couple going on an overnight trip, right?! And you're saying there weren't even any hugs and kisses?! To say nothing of the fact that the guy and girl were staying in different rooms!!"jessica:: "As for k, kisses, no comment. Ah, but we did hug... George-san's chest was warm..." For a while, Jessica chewed on her present, complaining about romance and pretending to faint in agony on her bed. Shannon and George had chosen to go to Okinawa because there was a huge aquarium there. And they had used the aquarium as an excuse to get together. Since their relationship had started at an aquarium, having their first overnight trip also be to an aquarium must have held some commemorative value. So now we've jumped back forward in the timeline. Though we're still a couple leaps short of actually reaching 10/04/1986 again. I swear we'll get there eventually, this really IS a game about mysterious witchmurders, no matter how little it may look the part at time.  : "What a turning point! It was your first overnight trip!! Shouldn't there have been lots of progress?! And even so, separate rooms for the guy and girl?! A couple taking two single rooms?! Aah, geez, really, what's wrong with you!": "...Err, umm, ...but we're both single... ...George-san says showing restraint is good manners for a couple..." : "Like I said, this overnight trip was so you could overcome that stage, right?! You're already at the level of things like kissing and hugging, right?!" : "What Milady seems to be expecting, ...I mean, we must do so only after we properly make a vow in front of God, umm, ...w w, we must..., au."Shannon's face got bright red. She made a circle with both hands, restlessly intertwining, separating and making heart marks with them. Apparently, the dramatic progress Jessica had looked forward to hadn't happened, but it seemed that it had been a very important experience for Shannon in her own way. ...So in the end, whether Jessica was jealous of Shannon or cheered for her, it didn't change the fact that Shannon had a huge lead on her. : "Aah, I want a boyfriend toooo!! I can't believe Shannon got ahead of me!! Even though we promised that we would find boyfriends at the same time, you beat me, Aarrrrrrgh!": "U, umm... Milady is a wonderful person, so I'm sure a wonderful person will appear very soon..." These sections are honestly the episode's biggest weakness because it just drags on so long. To give concrete numbers, the entirety of Episode 2 is 348 pages in OpenOffice. Episode 1 is 357. Battler doesn't even show up until page 82, just under a quarter of the way through. Pacing! Shannon hurriedly ran over to a nearby side table and started searching around on top of it. A lovely basket was placed there and inside of it was Jessica's bronchodilator. Shannon picked it up and handed it over to Jessica. Jessica's asthma attacks always came suddenly. Because of this, she always carried this medicine around. She breathed in the medicine and, after a while, managed to overcome her choking as her asthma finally settled down. Shannon thought this a good chance to leave and tried to exit the room after bowing courteously... As she did, one more small cushion came flying and hit Shannon on the head.   : "... M, Milady...?": "Sha, ...Shannon...Be honest with me...Is my, ...hairdo and stuff, ... strange...?"Well, you are a seemingly-natural blonde in Japan. Despite no one else in the family really having that hair color. ...Buuuut on the other hand, anime...  : "What are you saying... I think that your hair is very beautiful.": "Then, ...then, then, are my eyes strange, or maybe my nose? ...Or is it the way I talk after all...? Is that why I can't get a boyfriend...?"Maybe it's that weird fist pose of yours? Perhaps try not doing that all the time? : "Of course not. Milady, you are wonderful enough as you are. And I think that your charm will keep on increasing more and more from now on.": " ...But, it's only me who can't find a boyfriend... Saku and Hina managed to find a boyfriend, but only I can't... Is it because I don't have any charm after all...? You know, everyone will bring their boyfriend along to the cultural festival... I was so sure I'd have a boyfriend before that day and said it so impressively...I can't find a boyfriend. Only me, only me..."Or maybe it's that you live on a goddamn private island with resultingly limited chances to socialize and date and such. That could be it.  ...Shannon understood Jessica's innocent and easily injured heart. Jessica's ordinary rough style of speech, was all just an attempt to protect her own easily injured heart. ...As a daughter and successor to the Ushiromiya family, and as a girl isolated on Rokkenjima, the only person she could expose her true feelings to was Shannon. Shannon understood that. So, ...she strongly regretted getting into even a slightly good mood. : "...S, ...sorry... Crying like this, I'm, weird. Sorry, ...*sniffle*.": "You are a wonderful person, Milady. There is no way that a wonderful man won't appear for you, Milady..." Jessica faced away, acting as though she didn't really want to trouble Shannon, waving her hand as though driving Shannon away. Shannon took that as a sign that anything more would be obnoxious, bowed her head, and left the room... When her footsteps disappeared into the distance, Jessica lay down on her bed, still hugging a cushion. ...Her expression was still a little meek, with tears in her eyes, ...but for the first time in a long time, she had a very, very quiet and honest conversation with her heart. : "I also, ...want to fall, in love..."     : "B, ...Beatrice-sama..." : "It's been quite some time. How are you? Has your relationship with your special person progressed since last time?"As Beatrice sat on the rose arch, she happily blew on her pipe. Sitting in a place like that would get you pricked by the roses, and it might have been dangerous if you fell off the arch, ...but after all, this was a witch. That would surely be worrying too much. : "...Y, yes. Thanks to you, ...it's going smoothly." The witch was calling attention to something. Two things, actually. Originally, her relationship with George had been completely impossible. ...And the power of magic was so great that it could distort that. Shannon had just gotten wrapped up in those sweet days, and had started believing the illusion that all fate revolved around her. ...But she remembered the witch's words. Originally, her relationship with George had been impossible, ...no, it might also be impossible in the future as well... : "...*cackle*cackle*, sorry, sorry. It's just like a doctor. Even though you rely on them when you worry about your health, after you're healed, you forget even to thank them. ...I've never been thanked as a witch, so I couldn't help acting a little rudely. Forgive me."Take this as a public service announcement, folks. Next time you're out at those crossroads at midnight signing in blood to secure your place as the world's greatest kazoo player or whatever, take a moment when you're done to thank your Mephistopheles figure for the valuable service they provide for society. They deserve to be appreciated. : "...I have never forgotten my feelings of gratitude. ...I was able to achieve happiness thanks to your power, Beatrice-sama. ...And without that power, the fate that brought me and George-sama together wouldn't have happened. ...I have never forgotten that." : "Already the person of your thoughts is no longer an object of one-sided love. You are a pair of lovers now. ...To a pair filled with love, that alone is all they need in the world. Is this a wonderful, ideal world? Fufufufufufu! Even witches would be jealous."Beatrice laughed pleasantly. That smile made her look as though she blessed the lovers' rendezvous from the bottom of her heart, without a trace of malice. After that day, Beatrice had shown herself before Shannon every once in a while. Even now, Shannon still thought of her as a creepy being. ...However, she was also indebted to this person for bestowing the magic that had given her the relationship she had with George. So Shannon tried with all her might not to be surprised or scared. : "Th..., that's right. ...Umm, Beatrice-sama. I bought some sweets as a souvenir from our trip. ...Would you, umm, ...like some?": "Hoh??? A souvenir for a witch...?"It seemed that even a witch who boasted of living for one thousand years hadn't been able to predict that she would receive a souvenir from a pair of sweet lovers. When she saw that surprised expression, Shannon thought of the witch as a friend for the first time.    : "...What? What's so funny?": "N, ...nothing. My apologies."This witch, who surely held a terrifying power, was chomping down on sweets one after another, making a sound like a squirrel stuffing walnuts into its mouth. After a while, Shannon couldn't conceal her laughter. : "Hmmm, a good meal. ...I should serve you some Dolce Vita from Nero one of these days. Roses are the symbol of eternal love. I believe a rose dolce would be appropriate for you now."Googling the terms gets me... Dolce Vita as a type of shoe, and rose dolce as a perfume, and...those can't be right, surely. And wikipedia just tells me the phrase is Italian for “the sweet life” and tosses a bunch of disambiguations at me that make similarly little sense in context. I mean I can still understand what she's actually saying from context but I have ultimately only confused myself by looking for details. Also, it seems Beatrice's actually considerable older than a thousand, if she hung out with Nero back in the day. The witch was in a great mood, fully enjoying modern candy. : "Umm, ...here. I truly wish to thank you so much. I believe you have done more than enough for me already, so I'm returning this."The thing that Shannon had softly set on the table...was a gold-colored butterfly brooch.  : "Hmmm. ...Love and roses are the same. Too much fertilizer causes the roots to rot. Some flowers cannot be raised without hard work. In that case, do as you wish. You may wear it or keep it in a box. That is my good will, given to you. It would not please me if you were to return it to me.": "Ah, ...m, my apologies...! That's not what I...": "*cackle*cackle*. No harm has been done. That brooch is already yours. If you treasure that proof of our friendship, that would comfort me a bit. You may hold on to it, and gain its benefits. You may also keep it in a box. If you wish, it is up to you whether you give it to another who is worrying about love. ...But you should regard it as important. Of course, it would pain my heart if you wasted it." And then they were all horribly murdered with magic, probably. : "So I haven't often received thanks for my good will. ...Let's see, is this the first time? *cackle*cackle* *cackle*cackle*."The witch laughed heartily, but it looked like a sad laugh in Shannon's eyes. She herself had been like that in the past, ...no, maybe she was still like that now. Beatrice was definitely a witch, with a strange and terrifying power. Most likely, no one would go along with her if they could help it. Surely, even though they had relied on that strange power, people sometimes felt fear rather than gratitude as a result. ...It must have deeply hurt the witch when that repeated over and over. Since the time she had started thinking that way, ...Shannon had tried to stop being frightened of Beatrice. That was surely what had tormented her for longer than one thousand years...  Shannon didn't know much about Beatrice. First off, she was a ghost-like being who appeared in unexpected places at unexpected times. And it seemed that not everyone could perceive that she was there. It seemed that each person had something called a wavelength, and that the ability to perceive it varied greatly among different people. Only Shannon and Kanon could interact with her enough to exchange words like this. ...There were a few people who could sense her presence, but most people couldn't even feel that much. From what Beatrice said, Krauss and his wife in particular had zero magical talent. And no matter how much she followed them around, they would never notice her.  She's just beginning to get decent amounts of screentime, and already Beatrice is gunning for the coveted Best Non-Kinzo Character spot. : "Then, ...what about the Master? I hear that he has been doing research in magic, so I'm sure he would be able to notice you, Beatrice-sama."Plus he was presumably able to see her before back when he was making the contract. Suppose the wavelength must be capable of shifting over time or something. : "...Kinzo is the same. There is no one with a more pitiful lack of magical talent. ...It's the blood. He has so little talent that I feel sorry for him.": "...?"As soon as they started talking about Kinzo, it felt like the atmosphere around Beatrice changed. She had spoken about Krauss and the rests' lack of magic talent as though she looked down on them, but she spoke of Kinzo in a different way. Anyone connected to the Ushiromiya family would know about Kinzo's Legend of the Gold. ...According to that, Kinzo had summoned the witch Beatrice, and had been given the gold. ...In other words, that meant that she had some kind of relationship with Kinzo.  : "...Hmm."The witch, who usually looked down on people, was unexpectedly praising someone. ...While she lambasted him, saying that he had no talent, she praised Kinzo's efforts. : "And then, ...the Master summoned Beatrice-sama with the power of magic...": "Hmm. ...Well, I only answered the summons on a whim. In this period where magic has long been denied, those without a scrap of talent give it their all. It was just my luck that I'd decide to come and laugh at him. *cackle*cackle*cackle*."The words 'just her luck', ...showed that this had been a disaster for her. Shannon hesitated over whether it would be alright to continue this discussion, but Beatrice continued on her own, ignoring Shannon.     Trivia fact of the day! Rather than entirely separate backgrounds/CGs, all the gray ones just have a filter applied to them...that for some reason also turns the menu options gray. Though it doesn't extend as far as graying out the bios and TIPs and such. Shannon felt like she was daydreaming. While everyone in the Ushiomiya family knew of the story regarding how Kinzo had idolized black magic, summoned a witch, and been given gold, in actuality, it was all rambling that no one believed in. And now that she was hearing that it was true from the witch herself... Shannon felt a little flustered at this insane secret that only she knew. : "Then Kinzo, who had obtained a vast fortune, could completely obtain every dream one can satisfy with objects they can obtain in the human world. ...And in the end, he searched for the truth of the world.": "The truth, ...of the world?" : "...I underestimated Kinzo a little. I truly hadn't thought that he would display such power. ...And thanks to that, I'm in this state. I've been sewn in place on this island for several decades now, without even a friend to drink tea with. ...No matter who I try to talk to, my voice doesn't reach them, and no matter where I go, I cannot do anything. Such boring decades."As she laughed in self-derision, she tapped her teacup with her finger. It made the transparent sound of pottery. ...Shannon didn't know whether the word 'self-derision' was really an accurate expression to describe the look on the witch's face. Shannon didn't understand everything, but she could more or less figure out the situation. ...And it was probably a topic that she could not press the witch on easily, unless the witch started talking about it herself.  During that time, her words had reached Shannon, who never forgot to strongly respect the witch. And she had helped the witch to regain her power, if only a little bit. ...As a result, she had become able to drink tea with Shannon like this... : "...Beatrice-sama, what in the world was that mirror you told me to break?" ”Some stuff happened so some things showed up and then some guy built a shrine.” You are truly a master of explanations, Beatrice.  : "...That in itself had nothing to do with me, but unfortunately the foundation of that magical power was different. It created a strong interference with my magical power, and was extremely bothersome.":: "Is that how it was...? And I just assumed that it sealed you, Beatrice-sama..." : "So you destroyed that Japanese-style guest seating, and returned the area to a blank slate for a time. Thanks to that, the meal I had ordered was finally delivered, and my power came back, you could say. However, so far, only the aperitif has arrived. It will still be quite some time before the main dish. As I am now, I'm even more faint than a fairy in a shoe store."Left unexplained is what, in this analogy, corresponds to leaving for a restaurant not run by assholes.   : "Nothing... I thought the witch's example was so interesting. I never thought you could use a story about food as an analogy for a story about magic.": "I had planned that to be a skillful expression, if I do say so myself, but I was sure it wouldn't be laughed at. It's a little unexpected."A slightly sulky expression rose to the witch's face. ...It wasn't a strange expression at all to be appearing on the face of some friends as they enjoyed their tea. : "...Although I may not look it, I was known for doing extremely brutal things in the past. ...I've gotten soft. Now I can even have a foolish discussion while drinking tea with a human."She was probably talking to herself. As Beatrice gazed at the sea birds tracing the horizon, she put her tea to her lips again. : "...The clouds have come out. When the ocean loses its brilliance, it's nothing more than a gray puddle.": "You think so? ...I think the ocean is a beautiful deep blue, even if it gets cloudy." : "...It seems that those things buried in your eyes aren't black pebbles anymore. How is it? ...Do you understand the feeling of furniture being reborn as a human?": "...Yes. ...I did not know that the world was this kind."Since her relationship with George had begun, Shannon's face had grown brighter more often. Her smile had made everything go smoothly, and had even changed her luck. ...Shannon made less mistakes in her work than she had before, and the family members' opinion of her was starting to change slightly. Just the other day, Krauss, who rarely exchanged words with her, had suddenly started talking to her, surprising her.   : "Hmph. Isn't that a good thing? Coffee is obviously more delicious if it's poured with a smile. ...Could I ask for that smile again?": "Y, ...yes!"That had become a chance for Shannon to gain confidence in herself. Of course, it didn't go beyond her own heart, and it wasn't so big a change that anyone would notice. ...But she had begun to change, bit by bit. Shannon understood it clearly. Knowing love was the same as gaining a soul. ...And therefore she was born again from furniture to a human. There was absolutely nothing wrong with Beatrice's words. ...By knowing love, Shannon had learned what it was to be human.  The witch gripped a teaspoon and flipped it with her fingers, sending it up in the air. ...After that, was launched by the fingers of some invisible person in empty space, and flew straight at a bush close nearby. The bush moved violently, and Kanon came out. ...It seemed that he had been there for some time, and had been watching their tea party. The spoon was gripped in his hand. ...If he hadn't caught it in an instant, it might have hit him hard in the forehead and caused him to start oozing blood.  : "Do not worry. Our tea party is over now, Kanon.": "How long were you there? If you had called to us, I'd have poured you some tea too...": "I imagine that you didn't want to interrupt a pair of women talking, right? *cackle*cackle*!" : "…"Kanon kept silent, but it seemed that there was a slightly hostile look in his eyes. ...On the outside, he acted respectfully. But unlike Shannon, Kanon did not trust the witch.   They then scattered in every direction, and the cleanup was already done. : "It was fun, Shannon. ...Let us meet again if the chance arises. ...My magical power is still quite lacking. It's tiring even to show myself.": "...If you're that tired, never appear again."You know, most of the other characters at least have lack of genuine belief to explain any lack of reverence, but. You'd think after two years and multiple encounters with her Kanon would maybe. Realize it's not a great idea to provoke the reality-bending godwitch. Kanon had said it in a small voice, but it seemed the witch had heard it perfectly. She giggled, but did not reply. : "Shannon. Tell me more about George at our next tea party. There are no snacks sweeter than a person's love life. *cackle*cackle*cackle*. See you again."Beatrice's body also became gold butterflies, which scattered in all directions and disappeared. ...It was a very fantastical and beautiful scene, like a blizzard of gold leaf. For a while, Shannon quietly watched the witch's exit... Kanon approached her from behind, and spoke with a very different expression on his face than his sister's.  : "The fact that only we can see her is suspicious enough... That person isn't human. There's no way we could understand what she's planning.": "Kanon-kun, I think that's a little rude."Shannon spoke seriously, which was unusual for her. ...To Kanon, who knew her well, it must have seemed extremely serious. Kanon was excessively surprised at Shannon's style of speech, and remained silent.  : "It's true that Beatrice-sama is different from humans. She has a terrifying power, so I think she is to be feared and respected. ...But just because she's different from a human, doesn't mean that it isn't really rude to loathe her like that.": "...I understand what you're trying to say, Nee-san. ...You've changed since she gave you that brooch. It's like you're the witch's prisoner. She mediated your relationship with George-sama, and now you're indebted to her.": "...Don't say stuff like that."  : "We are furniture. ...Even if we receive names and are treated as humans, that won't change how we were born."You are no longer furniture... Those words Beatrice had given her, which had made her happiest, floated through Shannon's mind... : "I am not, ...furniture.": "No, you are furniture. We are less than human. ...Nee-san, you're acting like you've forgotten that, ...and you're just pretending to be human. You should understand that yourself.": "I, ...am not furniture. ...I'm human...!": "No, you aren't human. From the beginning, we have been unqualified to love or be loved."Though we've tossed around a bunch of random furniture types in reference to the two, I think we now know what household object Kanon really is. He's a record player. A broken one. It seemed that Kanon's criticism had shifted in focus ever since Shannon had suddenly started meeting with the witch. ...Shannon also noticed that quickly.  : "Listen, Kanon-kun. ...We certainly are furniture. Lesser beings, inferior to humans. ...But if we could replace that unfulfilled part...wouldn't that mean that we could become human?"Wait but. Didn't you already become human. And...just repeatedly assert that? : "...That couldn't happen.": "No, it could. If we can gain that, we won't be furniture. We can become human.": "...Ridiculous. ...As if you, ...could."Kanon spat that out, ...but he said it weakly, and turned away. He was probably giving up. ...After being baptized as furniture in his days of suffering, his heart was firmly sealed... :"...You can too, Kanon-kun. ...You can become a normal human."And now she's back to being human again. Hell of a revolving door she's got starting here. : "...Stop it, that's the witch talking." : "I don't understand what you're saying, Nee-san. I don't want to listen to ranting.": "Then I'll teach it so even you can understand. ...Look, see what I'm pointing at?": "...?"Shannon quietly pointed at the sea, at the horizon. Kanon didn't understand what she was actually pointing at, and couldn't do anything except look between the horizon and Shannon's expression, which looked like it was posing a riddle. : "The sea. ...Kanon-kun, what color does the sea look to you?"It was a really simple question. Kanon tried to guess the meaning behind that question for a while, but since he couldn't think of anything, he obeyed and answered.  Except that all the backgrounds have been...bright and sunny... I mean it could well be to back up Shannon's point here but. Considering that there were lighting shift issues and the like here and there last episode without any philosophical reason behind them, I still figure the odds are at best a coinflip between that and the guy in charge of backgrounds just being bad at his job. : "It looks deep blue to me.": "...Is that what you mean? Like calling a green traffic light blue?": "No. ...The sea is deep blue. If I understand, and you do not, ...that's what it means..."Kanon bit his lower lip and was silent for a while. : "...I, ...don't understand.": "Kanon-kun. ...Would you stick out your hand?"As Kanon was taken aback, unable to understand what she was saying, she took his arm, and opened the palm of his hand. Shannon softly set something there. It was that magic brooch, which she had received from Beatrice. It was a magic charm, shaped like a gold butterfly, which could fulfill love.  After being spoken to like that, he couldn't just throw it away. Kanon didn't know what he should do, and he stood there confused for a while, the brooch still on the palm of his hand. Shannon put the palm of her hand on top of Kanon's, and the brooch was warmed by both of their hands. : "This charm holds true magical power. ...I'm sure that it will teach you an important emotion, Kanon-kun.": "...Nothing can be taught from that person's magic.": "No, something can. ...So wear it. If that's embarrassing, I hear it's okay if you just hide it in your pocket.": "...Ridiculous... As if I'd be led astray by that person's magic."Even as he said that, Kanon couldn't be cold-hearted towards something Shannon was pressing on him. In the end, Kanon took it and agreed reluctantly, as though saying he would prove that he wouldn't surrender to the witch's power. Shannon smiled and nodded back. : "I'm sure you can learn something important from it. ...And I'm sure you can become human. And when you do, I'm sure that this ocean will look like a beautiful blue to you as well, Kanon-kun.": "...Gray is gray no matter how many times I look." Because of the howling wind, he hadn't been able to catch the main point of what she'd just said. So Shannon said it once more. ...The single element of the world. She spoke once more of the world where that was satisfied, where the sea was deep blue. : "I'm sure you'll be able to see a deep blue ocean. After all-"Without love, it cannot be seen.    Dear god yes finally. Save us from romance and love talk with some awesome drunken ranting, Kinzo! It was rare for Kinzo to leave his study. ...However, that in itself didn't mean his noble research had been suspended. He may have left the study because of a change in mood, but that didn't mean that the thoughts filling his head were any different from those he had had inside the study. So Kanon knew that no matter what the time, speaking to Kinzo when he didn't want to be spoken to would always be a disturbance in his research.  : "The weather is heavy. Will it get worse?": "Yes. According to the weather report, it could rain at any time. ...Shall I bring an umbrella?" During the time that Kanon bowed to him, Kinzo had already returned to his own world, and had forgotten that Kanon was there. And once again, he began rambling to himself. Amidst those words, ...the name of that witch was repeated many times.  : "...Ooohh, Beatrice... My hand will not reach your smile... What should I do to revive you, what should I do so that you smile at me once again...? ...What is lacking? My research, my materials, my catalyst? Or is it magical power or luck or an oracle...?! Ooohhh, Beatrice, what can I do to see your face one more time...? Ooooooooohhhhhhh..."As Kanon listened to his master's weeping voice with his back turned, he turned around just once. When he did, ...right behind his isolated, old master, ...was the shadow of a person that shouldn't have been there.  At once, Kanon, thinking that the witch must be plotting to do Kinzo some harm, quickly ran back to Kinzo, trying to become a shield himself. But when he saw the expression on the witch's face, ...that emotion of his vanished. Because, Beatrice's expression was, ...sorrowful, ...or maybe pitying.  Right behind Kinzo, as he repeated the witch's name over and over, desiring to be reunited with her more than anything else, was the witch herself. And yet, Kinzo didn't notice anything. ...When Beatrice tried to rest her hand on his shoulder, he didn't notice anything. ...Or hit us with a dose of depression. That...works too...    : "...It's useless, Kinzo. ...Without love, it cannot be seen."So it would seem that at some point Kinzo's single-minded obsession with Beatrice stopped counting as “love.” Kanon took, ...the brooch he had received from Shannon out of his pocket. ...Would he also be able see something that couldn't be seen now, by learning something? : "...Without love, it cannot be seen."   Oh, and Beatrice's profile is present again now, completing the set. Next time: I challenge you, thread. Name me a video game series that hasn't, in some way, been crossed over with Touhou.
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Shiny777 posted:Next time: I challenge you, thread. Name me a video game series that [/i]hasn't, in some way, been crossed over with Touhou. This is more cruel than anything in this game.
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Mar 23, 2013 11:25
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The only thing I know about Touhou is that it's popular on ADTRW.  I really like Beatrice as a character. She seems to have a lot of depth. I almost want witches to be real after all!
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Mar 23, 2013 12:06
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Autumncomet posted:The only thing I know about Touhou is that it's popular on ADTRW. It's what the Japanese internet is obsessed with instead of Team Fortress 2. This will explain everything: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbcIF78vzo4
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It's.....actually it's surprisingly similar to Team Fortress 2. In a way. Everybody shares an obsession with funny hats. Oh man. Beatrice is turning out to be a lot more sympathetic than I thought. I just thought she was a crazed murderess but I guess that's wrong.
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Mar 23, 2013 18:00
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One of Umineko's strengths is that it makes sure to give (almost) all of its characters fully-developed personalities. (Almost) no one is wasted or one-note.
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Mar 23, 2013 18:12
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I'm just waiting for the snap-back into crazy town. You build this up into a lovely rom-com, game, but I know you're gonna slip. Sometime, some place. Oh and uh... Kirby? Kirby hasn't been crossed over with Touhou, right?
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Mar 23, 2013 20:47
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Roro posted:Oh and uh... Kirby? Kirby hasn't been crossed over with Touhou, right? From one of the Touhou wikis: "(Kirby: Cosmic Chaos) A fan-made Kirby game which features Cirno as Kirby's ice-helper and also Marisa Kirisame as a cameo in Kirisame Keke, Kirby's Beam+Clean helper Azurarokstudio"
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Mar 23, 2013 20:54
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I tried Splinter Cell, only to find out that there had been full fan-made games of that.
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Mar 23, 2013 21:24
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A trick question! Let's flip the chessboard around and ask, what series is the only one that could NOT have a cross over with Touhou. The answer is obvious. The answer to your question is Touhou itself! I am the Battler. Someone save me.
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divide by zero posted:A trick question! Let's flip the chessboard around and ask, what series is the only one that could NOT have a cross over with Touhou. The answer is obvious. The answer to your question is Touhou itself! ...Well played.
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Artificer posted:Oh man. Beatrice is turning out to be a lot more sympathetic than I thought. I just thought she was a crazed murderess but I guess that's wrong. Come on man. Beatrice is totally the good guy. I mean, look at the Ushiromiyas, a bunch of smug incompetent jackasses. She's doing the world a favor by ridding the world of them.  Sure there's some collateral damage in the form of an autistic girl (who might be the Anti-Christ so good odds on Beatrice making the right choice there) a teenage girl, a decent chef, some tables and chairs, and Battler. But you know what? You can't make an omelette without slaughtering a whole lot of people.
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Mar 24, 2013 01:30
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Dr Pepper posted:But you know what? You can't make an omelette without slaughtering a whole lot of people. I've been watching all the wrong cooking shows. Also I never thought about how odd a pipe-smoking witch was until just now.
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AfroSquirrel posted:Also I never thought about how odd a pipe-smoking witch was until just now. No it isn't. 
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Dr Pepper posted:Come on man. Beatrice is totally the good guy. I mean, look at the Ushiromiyas, a bunch of smug incompetent jackasses. Fair point, that. AfroSquirrel posted:I've been watching all the wrong cooking shows. A weaponized pipe, mind you... At least she used it to whack Natsuhi up the head.
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Mar 24, 2013 06:41
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Artificer posted:A weaponized pipe, mind you... At least she used it to whack Natsuhi up the head. Wasn't it mentioned in the first episode that Natsuhi is constantly suffering from migraines? I guess that thing is more dangerous than it looks... ...and now I have the mental image of Beatrice using that pipe to gouge out the faces of the First Twilight victims which is a strange mixture of horrifying and hilarious.
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Mar 25, 2013 10:29
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Shiny777 posted:...Well played. Google hasn't revealed any Touhou/Saints Row game crossovers on the first couple pages, either.
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Kytrarewn posted:Google hasn't revealed any Touhou/Saints Row game crossovers on the first couple pages, either. Really? That would actually be pretty appropriate, I figured.
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Mar 25, 2013 18:45
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AfroSquirrel posted:I've been watching all the wrong cooking shows. Obviously you've never seen one hosted by a witch. If half the audience isn't dead by the end then it's not a proper witchy cooking show.
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Mar 25, 2013 18:49
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Okay, forgive me if this has been asked elsewhere, but is there a tweak pack for episodes 5+? I can only find the one for 1-4 that you're using.
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Last I checked, the patch is being worked on albeit at a very slow pace.
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