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Frostwerks posted:Good god Delaware is the most improved name. I always thought that it came from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_De_La_Warr Also, I had always heard that Rhode Island was from Rogues Island, and it was a colony of misfits pushed out from Boston.
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That seems like a much less elaborate version of the Atlas of True Names: 
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Frostwerks posted:Good god Delaware is the most improved name.
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cheerfullydrab posted:It's accurate for a state whose animal is a special breed of fighting cock, which was basically run for most of its history by a rich family that got its start in gunpowder production, whose people contributed some harsh soldiers to the Revolution and Civil War. Thats... kinda metal? 
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Lawman 0 posted:Thats... kinda metal? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murderkill_River edit Drains into the Delaware Bay just north of Slaughter Beach.
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Modest Mao posted:Chinese often uses phonetics from one syllable of the country's name for foreign nations. America is The Beautiful Country (and Americans are The Beautiful Country People, American style is Beautiful Style, etc). France is The Legal Country, England is The Brave Country, Germany is The Moral Country etc. Sounds cool if you don't realize aMErica = May-guo, FRAnce = Fah-guo, ENGland = Ing-guo, DEutschland = Duh-guo. Other country names are either phonetic or literal. Is there a list of these somewhere?
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Fojar38 posted:Why is there a small slip of land across the lake that brings Toronto into Israeli America?  Leopold Kohr's vision for a utopian Europe
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yoctoontologist posted:That seems like a much less elaborate version of the Atlas of True Names: See here's what I don't get about this, Maryland is listed as "Land of the Rebellious One" but isn't it just "Queen Mary's Land"? Like how do you get the former out of the latter. I think these literal name guys are just making poo poo up.
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alcyon posted:
So Ireland is united, Scotland is independent, but Wales is still attached to England?
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Dr. Tough posted:See here's what I don't get about this, Maryland is listed as "Land of the Rebellious One" but isn't it just "Queen Mary's Land"? Like how do you get the former out of the latter. I think these literal name guys are just making poo poo up. What's the etymology of Mary?
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Dr. Tough posted:See here's what I don't get about this, Maryland is listed as "Land of the Rebellious One" but isn't it just "Queen Mary's Land"? Like how do you get the former out of the latter. I think these literal name guys are just making poo poo up.
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All Of The Dicks posted:The source of the name "California" is interesting in that it is not a real word or even derived from a real word in any language. Rather, it seems to have come from the name for a mythical island in a popular novel of the time. Like, if it were discovered today and named 'Narnia' or 'Arrakis' or something like that. Or Westeros! 
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The Monkey Man posted:So Ireland is united, Scotland is independent, but Wales is still attached to England? The actual borders aren't that important. It's more of an illustration than a map on his ideal of decentralisation and believe that difference in size/power between nations/states/regions is a major cause of conflict. He thought the USA's internal stability is/was a result of being divided into 50 odd states of fairly equal power (I know lol) instead of a few super states like this:  His (still really inconsistent) reworked view for a post WWII federated Europe of mini nations:  And preemptive apologies for poorly explaining the man's academic work. alcyon fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Mar 9, 2013 |
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Dr. Tough posted:See here's what I don't get about this, Maryland is listed as "Land of the Rebellious One" but isn't it just "Queen Mary's Land"? Like how do you get the former out of the latter. I think these literal name guys are just making poo poo up. It's because the people who create these things don't actually understand the history of the places they're renaming  Modest Mao posted:What's the etymology of Mary? It depends who you ask. Of course that shouldn't matter since Maryland was named after a very specific person named Mary, with no reference to what the name Mary translates to. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Mar 9, 2013 |
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The Monkey Man posted:So Ireland is united, Scotland is independent, but Wales is still attached to England? Sounds about right 
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alcyon posted:The actual borders aren't that important. It's more of an illustration than a map on his ideal of decentralisation and believe that difference in size/power between nations/states/regions is a major cause of conflict. He thought the USA's internal stability is/was a result of being divided into 50 odd states of fairly equal power (I know lol) instead of a few super states like this: Ile de France seems awfully large. And how come Sweden/Norway/Finland don't get broken up at all?
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prefect posted:Ile de France seems awfully large. And how come Sweden/Norway/Finland don't get broken up at all?
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As said the precise borders aren't that important. Kohr was more a philosopher than cartographer. But the idea of devolving federated Europe into blocks of somewhat equal power/size/population to prevent strive was an interesting one imo. Completely deluded and unworkable, but interesting nonetheless. It might have prevented a lot of intra EU conflict and inequality, or not. who knows. Kohr was still required reading when I went to uni and fairly influential in post war regionalism/anarchism/forth world writings att. And just as with his bff Orwell, his Spanish Civil War experiences (obviously) reflect in his work. alcyon fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Mar 9, 2013 |
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Fojar38 posted:Why is there a small slip of land across the lake that brings Toronto into Israeli America?
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prefect posted:Ile de France seems awfully large. And how come Sweden/Norway/Finland don't get broken up at all?
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cheerfullydrab posted:I'd like to introduce you to one of Delaware's minuscule bodies of water, the Murderkill River. "Kill" is a 17th century Dutch word for a stream or small river, and was commonly used in areas of North America colonized by the Dutch, and has been preserved in names like the Catskills of upstate New York, or around Staten Island:  Because the English didn't rename everything when they finally took over Dutch possessions in 1674, it created some awkward situations for the modern world:  More controversially and politically-loaded, here is the Ottens Map of 1673 which shows New York as controlled by the Dutch. The Dutch had ceded New Amsterdam to the English in 1664, but in 1673 a Dutch commander with 800 soldiers named Cornelis Evertson who was on a mission to the Carribean went rogue half way across the ocean and invaded New York. This map was drawn almost immediately afterwards. This invasion lead to the temporary restoration of Dutch power in New York (which was not renamed but New Amsterdam again, but was given the name New Orange by Evertson), and this in turn started the brief Third Anglo-Dutch War which was settled the following year when the English traded Suriname for New York. The politicians who initially dispatched Evertson were outraged, neither wanting to reclaim the Dutch possessions in North America nor start a new war with the English. 
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twoday posted:"Kill" is a 17th century Dutch word for a stream or small river, and was commonly used in areas of North America colonized by the Dutch, and has been preserved in names like the Catskills of upstate New York, or around Staten Island:
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Ah, the kill controversy. http://articles.cnn.com/1996-09-06/us/9609_06_fishy.name_1_mayor-george-carter-peta-animal-rights-group?_s=PM:US What Wikipedia says about Fishkill: "Fishkill or Fish Kill is derived from the Dutch term Vis Kill, meaning "creek full of fish"."
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Or the Fresh Kills landfill where they brought the WTC rubble to search for remains. That had to have caused some awkward looks.
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Don't forget to stump all your friends with the trivia knowledge that Haarlem is a Dutch name. If you want to read a good book and fairly quick read about the Dutch in (what is now) New York, Island at the Center of the World by Russell Sorto is pretty interesting.
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All Of The Dicks posted:The source of the name "California" is interesting in that it is not a real word or even derived from a real word in any language. Rather, it seems to have come from the name for a mythical island in a popular novel of the time. Like, if it were discovered today and named 'Narnia' or 'Arrakis' or something like that. YOU HAVE COME TO A STATE CALLED GOR! *whipcrack*
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 North Korea and the nine-dotted line islands have always been a part of China.
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All Of The Dicks posted:The source of the name "California" is interesting in that it is not a real word or even derived from a real word in any language. Rather, it seems to have come from the name for a mythical island in a popular novel of the time. Like, if it were discovered today and named 'Narnia' or 'Arrakis' or something like that. The Antilles are named after Antillia, a legendary island.
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Look up the history of the name "Idaho" :dog:
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https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&t=p&source=embed&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=201812973222981115902.0004d576a8ef94ef80a26 A google map of all the non-european popes in history
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I like how New England's claim to fame is "most cancer." (Although, perhaps less surprisingly, Kentucky claims highest death rate therefrom) Of course that's not the only "worst of" map which uses those exact same colors:  Funny that Kentucky's claim to fame is the same on both... (So is Wisconsin's and arguably California's, while Connecticut claims Rhode Island's claim and Minnesota (may) claim South Dakota's) Also, if Kansas is the worst at poorest health, does that mean it actually has the best health? 
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ComradeCosmobot posted:
How is Ohio the "Nerdiest State"?
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Ammat The Ankh posted:How is Ohio the "Nerdiest State"? Maybe it's the worst at being the nerdiest state, and is therefore the least nerdiest?
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Ammat The Ankh posted:How is Ohio the "Nerdiest State"? I too would like to know this.
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Ammat The Ankh posted:How is Ohio the "Nerdiest State"? Now I'm kind of confused. It also says Arizona is the best (or worst?) at alcoholism when I'm pretty sure that the answer was actually North Dakota or Wisconsin - yet Wisconsin is listed as the best at binge drinking. Gah.
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Colorado is the state that licks its finger before running it all over the mirror.
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reagan posted:Now I'm kind of confused. It also says Arizona is the best (or worst?) at alcoholism when I'm pretty sure that the answer was actually North Dakota or Wisconsin - yet Wisconsin is listed as the best at binge drinking. Gah. It's all about marathon v 100m sprint. Consistency against explosiveness if you will.
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