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I find the statement that "cherubs were never meant to play Sburb" curious. From everything we've seen so far, one of the bigger mysteries in the comic is Sburb/Sgrub itself. It never struck me as a game that just anyone could pick up and play. We have the other Gamefaq writers but since no one seemed to have ever finished or at least continued the document they were writing except Rose, I'm guessing they never entered the medium and continued their own adventure. For the people who have played, it always seemed that they were destined to play by paradox space. If that's true then one can assume that whatever version Caliborn is playing means he too was destined to play.. directly contradicting Aranea's statement. A lot of assumptions here but that's my feeling. Can't complain about the info dumps. I love info dumps.
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I'm certain part of Hussie's intention in publishing this was so 'serious' homestuck discussion all over the internet, like this thread, is co-opted into talking about "alien sex snakes".Color Printer posted:Hey, if the male had won, Caliborn would have been a green son. There are hints all over the place that the Green Sun has something to do with Calliope... or a version of her. or something cherub beyond the Caliborn we've seen anyway.
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Eiba posted:I mean, people have been calling "glitch" forever, even though Lord English is apparently not at all influenced by Lord British. (So Hussie says.) So this is... kind of spelling out what that glitch would potentially do. Yeah, basically. To explicitly lay it out: - Lord English seems to tap into the same mysterious power that the Space Snakes do. - The Space Snakes can only be harmed by each other, no one else. - Lord English is reputed to only be killable by glitches. - A Calliope that survived would be a glitch. So all this is leading up to explaining why a Beta Calliope (or maybe regular Calliope if she somehow gains some confidence) would be the ultimate weapon against Lord English.
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Lord of Laughton posted:I find the statement that "cherubs were never meant to play Sburb" curious. From everything we've seen so far, one of the bigger mysteries in the comic is Sburb/Sgrub itself. It never struck me as a game that just anyone could pick up and play. We have the other Gamefaq writers but since no one seemed to have ever finished or at least continued the document they were writing except Rose, I'm guessing they never entered the medium and continued their own adventure.
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Lord of Laughton posted:I find the statement that "cherubs were never meant to play Sburb" curious. From everything we've seen so far, one of the bigger mysteries in the comic is Sburb/Sgrub itself. It never struck me as a game that just anyone could pick up and play. We have the other Gamefaq writers but since no one seemed to have ever finished or at least continued the document they were writing except Rose, I'm guessing they never entered the medium and continued their own adventure. Well we can infer that either A) there were at least a few other Sburb/grub players (Due to the Gamefaqs) or B) there were tons of other players (All the meteors crashing into houses before John: Enter). So going off of those two ideas I think the deal with Sburb is that: Anyone CAN play it, but only a few SHOULD play it. The random other gamefaqs were people who found the game and tried to play it but weren't destined to actually get anywhere with it (and unfortunately were still held to Sburbs consequences). The other idea going off of whether or not you believe that all the meteors were going after other potential Sburb sessions is that skaia basically plays dice/keno with whatever planet happens to be a target of it's choosing (Alternia/Earth/etc). It lets loving everyone take a shot but the conditions for entry are so difficult to figure out (since there's effectively no guide, and what you choose for your initial prototyping can make the game impossible to enter) that it needs to hedge it's bets and hope that at least one group out of 7 billion people can make it in. So the whole "Never meant to play" thing could be referring to either A) Wasn't destined to actually go anywhere with his session like so many others before (I mean, really he should have just died in that black hole/supernova) but could try to play. (As in there was no force/reason that required he be prevented from playing, just that he wasn't one of the people who "should" play). Or B) Since on his earth there was just him there was effectively 0% chance of his succeeding in getting into the game the "not meant to play" is just a statement about the probability of his succeeding.
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So, I guess Vriska is going to find Lady Masse, who will turn out to be evil due to beta timeline shenanigans then her and Lord English will meet and turn into giant evil snakes, and Lord English will swallow Vriska's boat like one big Peter Pan reference? Or if we want to take things to a REALLY unpleasant place, Vriska's tactic of leaving clusters of trolls for Lord English to blow up/chase them with is not unlike how Caliborn's male progenitor left ruined troll colonies as breadcrumbs for his female progenitor (god that's clunky to say but "mother" and "father" have been kind of confused here). Vriska is unintentionally flirting with Lord English! Edit: VVVV Gamzee seems to be the behind-the-scenes fixer of choice for plot details like that, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was the one who gave them the game and set up their whole little chained-up life. Dolash fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Mar 10, 2013 |
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I think the many number of players that Earth had was an exception. The Beta of Homestuck was sent out to a bunch of people by the Crocker Corp. to make sure the kids played it. On alternia the trolls made the game themselves based on the temple symbols - which may be the more common way for players to enter. Wait, how did the cherubs get the game? Gamzee?
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Confirmation that Meenah and Aranea are a middle-aged married couple.
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Also confirmation that Pirate Feferi is great.
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Mar 10, 2013 18:53
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Sollux is about to fall on top of and then possibly down some stairs.
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Mar 10, 2013 18:58
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Finally we can stop talking about god drat weird poo poo like giant snake sex and talk about the important stuff like peeing ghosts and interfishin. I love how that pun clearly disgusts Meenah.
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Can't wait to see how quickly Tumblr will have cosplays/fanart of pirate Feferi and Nepeta.
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MEENAH posted:MEENAH: HOLY MACK-ER-EL CAN YOU S)(ITFUCKS JUST -ENJOY YOUR SPAC-E LIZARD PORN W)(IL-E I TAK-E A loving PISS??? This is the first time in recent memory a comic has actually made me laugh out loud.
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Pirate Feferi   . So glad to see her again.
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Seeing Feferi and Nepeta was just so cute.
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I kind of find it hilarious that there's all those troll euphemisms or analogies for all things unmentionable (shame globes, rumble spheres, load gaper, filial pails) and here meenah just says outright "brb gotta go pee" it also disturbs me how many troll euphemisms I'm able to type without stopping to recall. Like I have to with simple english words mid-conversation and math terms. I'm kind of scared.
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Wait a minute, OK. So Fefetasplosion just happened, which puts us just before Zilly Gristmas, I think. And John was still asleep after Jade left, so... this is gonna take a while, isn't it.
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Gothic Lolita posted:Can't wait to see how quickly Tumblr will have cosplays/fanart of pirate Feferi and Nepeta.
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lotus circle posted:Considering someone cosplayed mind control Jane at a convention about five hours after that update was released, I'd say pretty soon. It would go well with how Feferi and Nepeta started messing with pirate costumes immediately after unspriting instead of worrying about any of the poo poo Erisol was saying.
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Yay, Nepeta is back! But now that Feferi is on board, hopefully there's gonna be confrontation with Meenah.
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Desfore posted:Yay, Nepeta is back! But now that Feferi is on board, hopefully there's gonna be confrontation with Meenah. Somehow they will wind up being the very best of friends. Good job John on asking the hard-hittng questions, and Tavros on being prepared to properly welcome new crew members.
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Ablative posted:Wait a minute, OK. So Fefetasplosion just happened, which puts us just before Zilly Gristmas, I think. Not necessarily. Maybe they only just found the boat. Besides, time in the Furthest Ring is weird. And this is late, but I really can't decide whether giant cosmic snakes mating to near-death inside a black hole with the possible outcome of the male getting pregnant is hilarious or hardcore or ridiculous or all three of them.
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Desfore posted:Yay, Nepeta is back! But now that Feferi is on board, hopefully there's gonna be confrontation with Meenah. Should be fun once Meenah notices Feferi.  And someone needs to intervene before Sollux has a STAIRS x 2 COMBO and takes Meenah down with him.
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John is such a goddamn goober.
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A few thoughts: - "This is how our aliens reproduce" is always the creepiest and most unnecessary digressions in any work of science fiction, and I think that's why a lot of us are getting the creeps/rolling our eyes at that last update. That said, usually that type of exposition is filled with loving descriptions of alien genitals, and you start to suspect the author's getting off on it (I think Wraethu by "Storm Constantine" is the classic example)  . (Yes, she named her pseudonym after not one but two comic book characters.)That said, I'm willing to cut Hussie a little slack because 1) giant goddamn space snakes murdering each other is boss and 2) I don't think anyone's supposed to get off to this stuff. (Of course, this being the internet, inevitably someone will). - It's also kinda cool how Hussie's assembled the Cherub's mythology and iconography out of bits and pieces from the comic (God Tier clocks, Lil Cal, the Hope symbol, etc). I suspect he didn't have this stuff planned out way back at the start, but rather put it together over time based on details he liked. - Hats represent souls/identity/hearts in Homestuck. Really. And Rogues redistribute their aspect to their allies. In the last few panels, Nepeta's helping Feferi get dressed up as a pirate and change her identity - she's getting to act out her title as Rogue of Heart. - I hope Nepeta and Feferi continue to bro out together in the background - it'd be like the episode of Community when Abed befriends a pregnant lady and delivers her child, entirely in the background of scenes, and no one else notices.
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quote:MEENAH: ugh MSPaint Adventures - Homestuck Edition - just an excuse to tell another dumb story inside a longer dumb story
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Abjad Soup posted:Other than Paradox Space Wifi, the only other omnipresent energy field we've seen is First Guardian powers, which are transmitted by the Green Sun. I'm thinking the "enigmatic forces presiding over all that is eternal, and perme8ting all those endowed with immortality" field, viz. the Clockwork Majyyks, might also have a single source. And we've already seen a clock that is at least sync'd to immortality in Doc Scratch's hobbit hole. Could be that this creation myth, which has already seen the birth of a power source of space, may also see the destruction of a power source of time and/or immortality. That might even qualify as at least one of "a number of glitches and exploits in spacetime". I suspect the energy of the Green Sun and the enigmatic eternal forces presiding over all those endowed with immortality are one and the same thing, or at least closely related. There's a lot of foreshadowing for Calliope, or a beta Calliope of some description, being somehow linked to the Green Sun, and several of our God Tier heroes ascended wreathed in the Green Sun's fire. It would also be the ultimate expression of Calliope's class and aspect, the Muse (immensely powerful but totally passive) of Space (over which the Green Sun presides).
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Indie Rocktopus posted:it'd be like the episode of Community when Abed befriends a pregnant lady and delivers her child, entirely in the background of scenes, and no one else notices. Wait, wha- Motherfucker
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I guess I'm the only one who doesn't mind infodumps on occasion. Everything is normally so grossly pregnant with meaning, undulating with squirming, all gestating at least 8 gooey octuplets thrashing around in an undulating belly full of mind slime, that I kind of welcome a bit of exposition. Homestuck has sort of trained me to challenge what it presents to me and file inconsistencies in my mind to bring back later. Take nothing at face value, not because of an incoming lovely twist, but because we're given a large portion of the story in advance and it rewards those who are attentive to it's details. Frankly, I'm glad we got a little time to cool off from the action, lulls like this keep the constantly escalating plot from being exhausting.
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Sollux is about to fall down the stairs. Someone should warn him, tell him about the stairs.
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At this point, there is just too many vague hints that what we think about Calliope and Caliborn is going to be switched somehow. Them being the two players of a game that they were 'never supposed to play' makes me think that the only reason for them being a part of the game is so that it is scratched, and Calliope and Caliborn trade places with their 'ancestors' in some ungodly mess of cosmic space and time that would hurt my brain to start thinking about. In this new fight between older Cal+Cal, Caliborn wins and Calliope goes off to birth 'green son' and female red-cheeks.
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This whole cherub-space-snake-sex interlude is reminiscent of the troll romance section in that it appears to be tailor-made for Tumblr people to obsess over and write fanfiction about, except (as people have mentioned) it's not presented in as obviously-tongue-in-cheek a manner as that was. All it's missing is Professor Snape.  I'm jumping on board the we-really-didn't-need-to-know-this bandwagon, if it's not obvious. And I liked Trickster Mode. Less weird worldbuilding, more crazy poo poo happening, please. I think if Hussie had taken a cue from Tolkien and stuck all the worldbuilding poo poo in an appendix, presented separately from the main narrative except where necessary to show context, the pacing of the entire comic in general would have been a lot better. (Yeah, I just said someone could take pacing tips from Tolkien. I'm as surprised as anyone.) Basically, any time Aranea talks (or writes diaries), it should be presented like her Exposition Booth in the Meenah walkarounds -- there if you want it, but easily skipped the gently caress over if you don't.
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I was genuinely expecting us to cut to the pirate ship and find Meenah had forked John while Areana was talking.
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I liked this crazy story better than the exposition on character classes in SBURB. I think it's pretty important to know what cherubs are normally up to when they aren't unstoppable time-travelling demons. My guess about the supposed Calliope who could have predominated is that she might be completely disinterested in fighting or even interacting with anyone after that, since she might have done it the same way that Caliborn did. I hope the intermission story is about the horrorterrors and is an even crazier story than this one. Who else would decide who normally gets to play the game?
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Android Blues posted:I suspect the energy of the Green Sun and the enigmatic eternal forces presiding over all those endowed with immortality are one and the same thing, or at least closely related. There's a lot of foreshadowing for Calliope, or a beta Calliope of some description, being somehow linked to the Green Sun, and several of our God Tier heroes ascended wreathed in the Green Sun's fire. It would also be the ultimate expression of Calliope's class and aspect, the Muse (immensely powerful but totally passive) of Space (over which the Green Sun presides). Closely related, maybe, but certainly not one and the same. The Clockwork Majyyks are associated with time and the gift of eternity (and thus are also associated with immortality); someone empowered with them has a coruscating technicolor light in their eyes and around their outline, and the same effect applies to the use of their power. The Green Sun is associated with space and the manipulation of space (to the point of nigh-omnipotence); someone empowered by it blurs and flashes in every direction and green-and-yellow lightning flickers around them, and their power tends to take the form of them becoming a window or portal in the shape of their outline (often to the Green Sun, in split-second flashes). The Green Sun is clearly Calliope, yeah. The question now seems to be, are the "eternal forces" Caliborn? Or does he just wield them?
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If Calliope represents, or is, the Green Sun, she's giving her extraordinary power and control over space to everyone across several planes of existence. Inversely, red is the color most often associated with time in the story, and Caliborn quite notably sucks up a Ren Sun into a black hole, consuming it for himself. Nobody has dominion over time like LE does, but Calliope allows others to use her powers freely (for better or worse).
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I think Aradia is the best part here. Just. Standing there.
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jonjonaug posted:Sollux is about to fall on top of and then possibly down some stairs. Ape Has Killed Ape posted:Sollux is about to fall down the stairs. Someone should warn him, tell him about the stairs. THAR SHE BLOWS This was the best interfishin.
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A big flaming stink posted:http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/south_american-mythology.php?deity=CHERRUVES This is cool. Coincidence or not, it meshes nicely with the rest of the Homestuck cosmological mishmash.
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This feels like a goofy little callback to the idea, more important in the early story, that all the kids had associated musical instruments. e: it also feels really Charlie Brown, haha.
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