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El Estrago Bonito posted:The problem with SS in FoW is that some of the worse divisions have really great rules. The Hitler Jugend and Wiking for instance. See if someone just showed up and said, "yeah, these guys were total fucks, but the list is really good" and never really touched upon it again (I know some historical discussion is inevitable in FoW, but you know what I mean), I don't really care. It's only when people get really, really into the SS - and want to make sure everyone knows that this mitigating circumstance or that made them ok dudes - that gives me pause.
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Pierzak posted:Anyone know a good online resource for modern Chinese (PRC) camo and military markings/insignia? Mainly armor and infantry. Google fails me o.O Camopedia is your friend http://camopedia.org/index.php?title=China
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A while ago I bought the Zvezda Operationa: Barbarossa box set, and am now meaning to get around to doing sonething with it. These are my first models pretty much ever if I'm honest, so I'll be taking my time, but I'd like a reccomendation about what Vallejo paints are the best for the set, since I'm only roughly sure from box art and the like which colours I'd need. Got myself some brushes, snips and a craft knife already, and got a deal on some Humbrol acrylics so I have a few colours but I'll mostly need Vallejo's. (and also suggestions for anything else I should pick up when I'm fresh in the modelling.) e; fixing spelling due to phone posting.
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Scratch Monkey posted:Camopedia is your friend Is there a site like this, but for armour camo patterns?
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El Estrago Bonito posted:Osprey Elite should be your very first source for anything related to uniforms.  Scratch Monkey posted:Camopedia is your friend 
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Serotonin posted:Found an alternative way of playing Command & Colors Ancients online that doesnt use Vassal for those interested.
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I know it'd probably be a terrible idea, but after going over pioneer companies and such, the thing that sticks out to me(in a hilarious and amusing way) is a Pulyemyento Artillyenski Company from Read Bear as my first Flames of War company. Purely, 100%, no fucks given defensive company. A maxed out platoon(soviet company? 4 HMG nests, 4 Maksim HMGs,, 4 MG teams, 2 45mm obr 42 gun nests, 3 PTRD anti-tank rifle teams, 2 82-BM-41 mortars in gun pits, 2 light mortar teams, 6 trench lines, 6 sections of barbed wire, and the command rifle team. If something is dumb enough to attack you, they're horribly, horribly hosed. Any lighter mechanized units get chewed up, and lighter armour just gets shot to death in seconds, any infantry who get within range is going to get pinned and promptly get battered by the hilarious cheap 12 gun battery you're going to have. Appears to be really quite good training for learning how to locate your gun teams to have proper overlapping fields of fire to chew up the enemy with.
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mehall posted:A while ago I bought the Zvezda Operationa: Barbarossa box set, and am now meaning to get around to doing sonething with it. These are my first models pretty much ever if I'm honest, so I'll be taking my time, but I'd like a reccomendation about what Vallejo paints are the best for the set, since I'm only roughly sure from box art and the like which colours I'd need. I googled around a bit since I've never painted Soviets, but here seems to be a nice painting guide: http://bennosfiguresforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5800 They seem to recommend the suitably named "Russian uniform" paint for the uniforms, and "Russian green" for helmets and such.
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lilljonas posted:I googled around a bit since I've never painted Soviets, but here seems to be a nice painting guide: That looks good, thanks! First day ofd in a week tomorrow, so gonna see how I can do.
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MohawkSatan posted:I know it'd probably be a terrible idea, but after going over pioneer companies and such, the thing that sticks out to me(in a hilarious and amusing way) is a Pulyemyento Artillyenski Company from Read Bear as my first Flames of War company. Purely, 100%, no fucks given defensive company. A maxed out platoon(soviet company? There are better 100% defense companies TBH. Estonians are decent but 78th Sturm is an unholy terror of defensive weaponry. The problem with defensive Soviets is that even with the extra bonuses they are going to get slayed because at the end of the day they are Soviets. The fact of the matter is is that you can easily be out shot. Germans will turn your trenches into pits of Ruskie soup in a matter of minutes. You aren't going to outgun Nebelwerfers, Stukas (both the kind in the air or the kind on treads), Tigers or even SS heavy mortars.
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lilljonas posted:I googled around a bit since I've never painted Soviets, but here seems to be a nice painting guide:
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I should add some write-ups about Saga, Muskets & Tomahawks, and Bolt Action for the OP. I could handle M&T since I've played it, but anyone want to volunteer for the others? Actually there might even be good write-ups in the thread here somewhere....
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Arquinsiel posted:"Russian Uniform (WWII)" is actually a weird green colour. "Khaki Beige" seems like a better match.
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Colonial Air Force posted:I should add some write-ups about Saga, Muskets & Tomahawks, and Bolt Action for the OP. I could handle M&T since I've played it, but anyone want to volunteer for the others? I have played both Saga and M&T, own bolt action, but haven't got it on the table yet
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Just link that Mike Hobbs blog post for Saga. It's the best explanation of the mechanics I've seen yet.
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Done, although in doing so, I realized that almost all the images I used were on waffleimages and they're now gone. I guess I'll have to re-source those.
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I'm not sure you emphasised how much Saga owns in the OP.
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Serotonin posted:I'm not sure you emphasised how much Saga owns in the OP. Then maybe you should do a PROPER write up.
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Ok here's my proper write up on Saga. You should buy Saga because it owns owns owns owns owns owns owns owns owns owns.
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Serotonin posted:Ok here's my proper write up on Saga. +1 out of x historical wargaming goons agree. But I think you also need - you should buy Saga because 
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El Estrago Bonito posted:There are better 100% defense companies TBH. Estonians are decent but 78th Sturm is an unholy terror of defensive weaponry. The problem with defensive Soviets is that even with the extra bonuses they are going to get slayed because at the end of the day they are Soviets. So I've settled on the Sturm, because the hilarious ability to just hunker down and annihilate things greatly amuses me. I've got to ask, is replacing an HMG nest with a T-34 turret worth it? An extra 70 points seems like a bit much to me. Edit: Also, is making a zillion combat attachments so that you end up with two extremely dangerous combat platoons(in trenches, surrounded by barbed wire, with anti-tank bunkers) a wise idea, or a really bad mistake? MohawkSatan fucked around with this message at 10:23 on Mar 13, 2013 |
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MohawkSatan posted:So I've settled on the Sturm, because the hilarious ability to just hunker down and annihilate things greatly amuses me. I've got to ask, is replacing an HMG nest with a T-34 turret worth it? An extra 70 points seems like a bit much to me. The T34 option mainly serves to be able to convert your HMG slots into more AT guns in the event that you face things like huge Tank companies against whom HMG's will be useless. I personally think they dont serve much use outside of really high point games. Not that T34 turrets are bad or anything, its just for the points you put into them you're encroaching on the points cost of actual artillery, AT guns or tanks. The all eggs in one basket approach has its advantages and disadvantages. Against enemies that will try and root you out of your hole with constant bombardment and aircraft attacks they make it much easier to shoot all your guys. Against other Germans, if this ever comes up (which it does very occasionally) it makes you very vulnerable to the much feared double artillery template. It does have its advantage against things like Recce or mobile pioneer/infantry companies because you have removed their entire advantage (they cant out maneuver a bunker mountain). The issue is that FoW is a game that does not always revolve around simply killing all the enemy mans. Sometimes you'll need to hold things like objectives so moving some of your guys may be necessary at some junctures. And in that scenario being able to split your force in different ways is more important than keeping a solid battle line.
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El Estrago Bonito posted:The T34 option mainly serves to be able to convert your HMG slots into more AT guns in the event that you face things like huge Tank companies against whom HMG's will be useless. I personally think they dont serve much use outside of really high point games. Not that T34 turrets are bad or anything, its just for the points you put into them you're encroaching on the points cost of actual artillery, AT guns or tanks. The bigger problem with the MG-artillery battalions is that most of the AT guns aren't very good in a late war setting. If you come up against anything with FA7 or up you'll pretty much have trouble dealing with it unless they decide to assault in your DF bubble. If you're going to run an infantry company, you need antitank that is AT12+ or a bazooka(which is mostly for assault purposes), whereas with a tank company you might be able to finesse normal medium tanks with like AT9-10 with mobility.
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I've found HQ and Combat attachments very useful, and I generally take as many as I can get. With the Kampfgruppe rule you can do some very interesting things as well if you have a ton of spare stands to work with.
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Alright I fixed most of the pictures in the OP, since they were all on Waffleimages. I had to change some, because I couldn't figure out what they originally were, but it should be close enough.
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Panzeh posted:The bigger problem with the MG-artillery battalions is that most of the AT guns aren't very good in a late war setting. If you come up against anything with FA7 or up you'll pretty much have trouble dealing with it unless they decide to assault in your DF bubble. If you're going to run an infantry company, you need antitank that is AT12+ or a bazooka(which is mostly for assault purposes), whereas with a tank company you might be able to finesse normal medium tanks with like AT9-10 with mobility. Sturmdivision has a load of AT12 guns to whip out, including Marder II's and Hornisses. They bring more Panzerfausts and Panzerschrecks to the table then any other force and their air support even includes the HS129B3. And if you were desperate they can also get Tigers for good measure.
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Cross posting from the painting thread. Just completed these 2 PAK-40's with command and an American command team.          Forgot to drybrush the rock there...
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My only comment is that while your German palette is extremely correct, your Americans are way too blue-green as opposed to the very yellow green they were in reality. Not that it matters because competent paint > historical accuracy but just be aware someone dickish might poo poo talk you.
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El Estrago Bonito posted:Sturmdivision has a load of AT12 guns to whip out, including Marder II's and Hornisses. They bring more Panzerfausts and Panzerschrecks to the table then any other force and their air support even includes the HS129B3. And if you were desperate they can also get Tigers for good measure. Oh yeah, I think the German fortified companies are a lot more playable than the Soviet ones.
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El Estrago Bonito posted:My only comment is that while your German palette is extremely correct, your Americans are way too blue-green as opposed to the very yellow green they were in reality. Not that it matters because competent paint > historical accuracy but just be aware someone dickish might poo poo talk you. Thank you! I don't think that I would mind that.
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Hellbeard posted:Thank you! I don't think that I would mind that. Sometimes with FoW you have to deal with the crossover elements from the hardcore military modeling subculture. It's not as bad as it was when the game first got big tho.
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El Estrago Bonito posted:Not that it matters because competent paint > historical accuracy Call me a grognard then coz I disagree. ;p
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El Estrago Bonito posted:Sometimes with FoW you have to deal with the crossover elements from the hardcore military modeling subculture. It's not as bad as it was when the game first got big tho. 
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I really dont see the point of buying a force and then painting it the wrong colour. Weird thing to do. Not into worrying about the very exact shade matched to a swatch of uniform like some really OTT people are, but at least get it close. My mate bought a nice 10mm scale British force for post D Day and painted all the vehicles brown. gently caress knows why. Serotonin fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Mar 17, 2013 |
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El Estrago Bonito posted:My only comment is that while your German palette is extremely correct, your Americans are way too blue-green as opposed to the very yellow green they were in reality. Not that it matters because competent paint > historical accuracy but just be aware someone dickish might poo poo talk you. So you're saying it's not the proper green for American outfits in July 1942?
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Turns out I am now the proud owner of a Perry 28mm Samurai army for Impetus. Now to paint it all for a tournament in June. 3x Units of Mounted Samurai 4x Units of Foot Samuari 5x Units of Ashigaru with Yari 1x Unit of Ronin 2x Units of Ashigaru with Arquebusiers Will post pics when I get them unboxed, cleaned up and assembled.
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Colonial Air Force posted:So you're saying it's not the proper green for American outfits in July 1942? I think that's exactly what he's saying.
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