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800peepee51doodoo posted:I understand that there is coordination and talking points. I guess what I'm saying is that Rush and other powerful opinion makers are often just as influenced from the bottom up and that a good portion of what we see burble out of the conservative bubble is grassroots crazy. Its not all GOP messaging from the get-go. I'm not so sure about that, but then we're into the chicken/egg argument. I just know what I see and hear on a daily basis. Some indefensible bullshit spills out of a Republican's mouth and I only have to wait 24 hours to learn why it's totally OK and cool and he/she was taken out of context and the liberal media this and that, etc. I don't think it's a coincidence that no matter which one of these shows you tune into at any given time, they're all talking about the exact same thing in the exact same way with the exact same language. It permeates thought through repetition, much like advertising, and I don't think it's an accident or a coincidence. In what way do you think what Rush says or Drudge puts on his front page are born from the bottom up, beyond confirmation bias? That seems to me like saying that the Shamwow was invented because the public was overwhelmingly concerned with how dirty and un-shiny their cars were or that the Snuggie became popular because people were freezing to death on their couches as they watched American Idol. edit: To contribute, I flipped over to FOX today and during a teaser segment they looped an Obama quote about the deficit (which I can't find), but it was something about how it wasn't urgent or immediately dangerous. They seriously looped this thing, like, five times. It was like watching Howard Dean scream all over again. FOX News is just awful. I dare anyone in this thread to watch it for longer than 5 minutes. Even their crawl is brutal in its dishonesty and deception. Plus, they run it slow so slow I can only assume that they know that 2/3 of their audience either can't read or can't read at the pace of a fifth grade child. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Mar 14, 2013 |
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Today someone called in and asked Dennis Miller what happened to cause his politics to change. He dropped his usual "cool cat" bullshit and threw a little tantrum about how he hates that question and people who ask it are stupid and he basically just said "because people change" and hung up on the caller. The perfect opportunity to make a token "because I woke up to the facts, man" comment and he just threw a hissy fit instead.
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Mar 15, 2013 00:06
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BiggerBoat posted:Even their crawl is brutal in its dishonesty and deception. I think the most insane thing is that I have to try and decipher what the hell their crall is trying to say half the time because they abbreviate as much as they can. It baffles me as to why they do that.
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Mar 15, 2013 00:13
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Today someone called in and asked Dennis Miller what happened to cause his politics to change. He dropped his usual "cool cat" bullshit and threw a little tantrum about how he hates that question and people who ask it are stupid and he basically just said "because people change" and hung up on the caller. Or an opportunity to actually explain his thought process in a way that other people can relate to which could be used as powerful rhetoric to support right wing ideology and change some minds or at least make people become sympathetic to his opinions, but hey having a good yell and being a fussy baby is cool too I guess
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Mar 15, 2013 00:25
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I Fought The Mom posted:Or an opportunity to actually explain his thought process in a way that other people can relate to which could be used as powerful rhetoric to support right wing ideology and change some minds or at least make people become sympathetic to his opinions, but hey having a good yell and being a fussy baby is cool too I guess I don't think this is even a thing that is possible without explicitly admitting to holding prejudiced or nationalistic beliefs. Or thinking the best way to run the economy is through "common sense" I guess, if you want to claim the conservative title but not own any of the racism, homophobia, or jingoism.
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Mar 15, 2013 00:38
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I suspect Miller's real reason for change was "because there was a pile of money just waiting to be made by jumping on the Fox News gravy train". Which he should have gone with since he would likely have received praise from other conservative pundits for supporting the free market, rewarding success, etc. 
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Mar 15, 2013 01:20
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Sydney Bottocks posted:I suspect Miller's real reason for change was "because there was a pile of money just waiting to be made by jumping on the Fox News gravy train". Which he should have gone with since he would likely have received praise from other conservative pundits for supporting the free market, rewarding success, etc. This. The right wing media circus is kind of a crowded space these days with even old favorites like Ann Coulter being squeezed out by the new hotness, but when Dennis Miller jumped in he was one of the earlier people to jump in from TV or the movies.
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Mar 15, 2013 01:56
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Can't he be old and racist AND a financial opportunist?
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Mar 15, 2013 02:02
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I used to watch his HBO show back in the early 2000's and as I recall he had an "epiphany" on 9/11 (lost his marbles), like so many other pundits (and people in general) did. e: that's probably why he's so defensive now - he knows he was wrong about everything and doesn't want to deal with it.
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Mar 15, 2013 02:31
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Can't he be old and racist AND a financial opportunist? I see Dennis Miller as the type of person who thinks he knows more than everyone and he is compensating for the fact that the only thing he has done with his life is tell jokes. I think he is a smart guy and very well read but perhaps he wanted more with his life but got stuck on that gravy train?
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Mar 15, 2013 02:33
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He's also cited by many of his fellow cast members as the guy who was considered the funniest backstage when no one was watching, like the door would open and Dennis would walk in and crack everyone up. A comic's comic, I suppose. I bet that's still true. God knows why he lost his poo poo.
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Mar 15, 2013 03:16
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beatlegs posted:I used to watch his HBO show back in the early 2000's and as I recall he had an "epiphany" on 9/11 (lost his marbles), like so many other pundits (and people in general) did. While other comedians who mocked the whole War on Terror absurdity such as David Cross look much brighter and prophetic by comparison.
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Mar 15, 2013 03:47
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 Hot off of Drudge: The Washington Times is starting a cable news network.quote:The intent is to provide credible news and thoughtful analysis for “viewers with self-described independent, conservative and libertarian values,” Mr. Herring said. “Fox News has done a great job serving the center-right and independent audiences. But those who consider themselves liberal have a half dozen or more choices on TV each day from which to get their news,” he said. Let's go to the comments: quote:AMEN and this will be a welcome alternative to the gradually left shifting FOX News Channel. FOX has noticeably been getting more liberal all the time and the comment in the article about FOX serving the center right is very accurate. Awwww yeah.
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Mar 15, 2013 03:52
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Can Sun Myung Moon afford to subsidize an entire tv network?
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Mar 15, 2013 03:53
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I sincerely hope that this will thrive in the glorious free market. If my Tea Party Community news feed is any indication, it will stick around long enough to put together a highlight reel at least.
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Mar 15, 2013 03:59
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quote:The intent is to provide credible news and thoughtful analysis for “viewers with self-described independent, conservative and libertarian values,” Mr. Herring said. “Fox News has done a great job serving the center-right and independent audiences. But those who consider themselves liberal have a half dozen or more choices on TV each day from which to get their news,” he said. Let's see...a half day's programming on MSNBC versus 24 hours of FOX News, CNBC, FOX Business News, countless rightwing religious channels, countless "beltway" reporters, and a complete conservative monopoly on radio. What's this guy smokin'?
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Mar 15, 2013 04:01
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beatlegs posted:Let's see...a half day's programming on MSNBC versus 24 hours of FOX News, CNBC, FOX Business News, countless rightwing religious channels, countless "beltway" reporters, and a complete conservative monopoly on radio. What's this guy smokin'? Way are you talking about? MSNBC is all liberal, while Fox has tons of opposing viewpoints, like Colmes and... hold on, it'll come to me...
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Mar 15, 2013 04:12
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People who think Fox News is center right are legitimately terrifying.
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Mar 15, 2013 04:20
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Dr Christmas posted:Way are you talking about? MSNBC is all liberal, while Fox has tons of opposing viewpoints, like Colmes and... hold on, it'll come to me... They like to beat around Juan Williams. Unless they're talking about Arabs, then he joins in on the hate parade.
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Dr Christmas posted:Way are you talking about? MSNBC is all liberal, while Fox has tons of opposing viewpoints, like Colmes and... hold on, it'll come to me...  Oderus Urungus is quite moderate for FOX
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Mar 15, 2013 06:42
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Pope Guilty posted:Can Sun Myung Moon afford to subsidize an entire tv network? Considering he's been dead for over half a year, I sort of hope not. Although being the first corpse subsidized news network would be a hell of a selling point.
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Mar 15, 2013 06:47
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beatlegs posted:I used to watch his HBO show back in the early 2000's and as I recall he had an "epiphany" on 9/11 (lost his marbles), like so many other pundits (and people in general) did. It's more that admitting he overreacted and it's all a bit silly would essentially kill off his last meal ticket. Crossing over to right wing/fundie media's like doing porn; you might pop up in a cameo every now and then, but you can forget making a career from normal, respectable gigs ever again. Just ask Stephen Baldwin. BoBtheImpaler posted:
They really missed out on a sly David Foster Wallace refernce not naming it something like One News, America's Network.
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So CPAC is predictably turning out to be a public relations disaster only a day in. There's a lot of examples, but this one takes the cake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suYDqSzLBcs "We totally coulda won vietnam if we'd kept bombing them" is possibly one of the most rock-headed dumbass things to come out of the GOP ever. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Mar 15, 2013 |
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Mar 15, 2013 09:05
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Louie Gohmert was really funny as the sports guy in Anchorman.
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Mar 15, 2013 09:14
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beatlegs posted:Let's see...a half day's programming on MSNBC In the right-wing terrorverse, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, CSPAN, PBS, and NPR are all 100% liberal news outlets dominating the airwaves.
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Mar 15, 2013 09:18
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One would think that Fox fans would say that you need a conservative station to balance the liberal ones. Nope, people who are not paid shills actually will insist that Fox gives equal time to liberal views. It's loving insane.
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Mar 15, 2013 09:26
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Typical Pubbie posted:In the right-wing terrorverse, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, CSPAN, PBS, and NPR are all 100% liberal news outlets dominating the airwaves. Well, to be fair, reality does have a liberal bias.
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Mar 15, 2013 09:36
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Typical Pubbie posted:In the right-wing terrorverse, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, CSPAN, PBS, and NPR are all 100% liberal news outlets dominating the airwaves. I think you meant to say state-run drive-by media.
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Mar 15, 2013 10:53
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Typical Pubbie posted:In the right-wing terrorverse, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, CSPAN, PBS, and NPR are all 100% liberal news outlets dominating the airwaves. So then it comes down what's more frightening, a Republican base that asserts and believes that, or asserts and doesn't believe that? Because both options are just wonderful. 
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Typical Pubbie posted:In the right-wing terrorverse, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, CSPAN, PBS, and NPR are all 100% liberal news outlets dominating the airwaves. Well I mean if they disagree with you you're automatically a liberal. Also, the people who are assisting with this new network tried to get involved with the Terri Shiavo case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WealthTV quote:On March 11, 2005, WealthTV's owner Robert Herring became involved in the controversial Terri Schiavo case. Herring, who believed that stem cell research could have cured Schiavo's persistent vegetative state (PVS), offered $1 million to her husband, Michael Schiavo, if he agreed to cede his guardianship of Terri Schiavo to her parents.[8] Michael Schiavo was in the middle of a legal dispute with Terri Schiavo's parents over the decision to remove her feeding tube and end her life. Michael Schiavo rejected Herring's offer and his attorney, George Felos, described it as offensive, adding that Michael had rejected other monetary offers, including one of $10 million.[9]
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beatlegs posted:I used to watch his HBO show back in the early 2000's and as I recall he had an "epiphany" on 9/11 (lost his marbles), like so many other pundits (and people in general) did. This is exactly it. He used to be a mix of liberal and libertarian but 9/11 scared the poo poo out of him and this is the result. quote:e: that's probably why he's so defensive now - he knows he was wrong about everything and doesn't want to deal with it. That definitely part of it, and you also have to remember that people have been asking him that question for 11+ years. Even if he had a solid answer to the question I can imagine getting sick of having to answer it all the time.
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There's a laundry list somewhere of people who at least leaned liberal in the media and suddenly veered hard to the right after 9/11.
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Monkey Fracas posted:I hate Saturdays on NPR, usually. And Sundays. It's like NPR (at least in my area) goes into full parody mode for what conservatives *think* NPR is all the time - obnoxious, self-satisfied upper-crust liberal bullshit. "The Splendid Table," "On Being," "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me," and "Prairie Home Companion." I would rather listen to an hour of Rush Limbaugh or Mark Levin than ten minutes of Garrison Keillor's poo poo. Or Lynne Rosetto-Casper smacking her lips and going on and on about French wines and roasted beet reductions. And yeah, the "jokes" on WWDTM are the worst.
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Walter posted:And Sundays. It's like NPR (at least in my area) goes into full parody mode for what conservatives *think* NPR is all the time - obnoxious, self-satisfied upper-crust liberal bullshit. "The Splendid Table," "On Being," "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me," and "Prairie Home Companion." Thank you for posting this - I couldn't agree more. Most of NPR's non-news programming makes me feel embarrassed to be a white, middle class person working an office job.
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Walter posted:And Sundays. It's like NPR (at least in my area) goes into full parody mode for what conservatives *think* NPR is all the time - obnoxious, self-satisfied upper-crust liberal bullshit. "The Splendid Table," "On Being," "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me," and "Prairie Home Companion." What the hell do you have against Prairie Home Companion?
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:What the hell do you have against Prairie Home Companion?
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It's Hee Haw minus the good music and sex appeal.
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Mar 15, 2013 19:18
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Jesus Christ we already did this guys. WWDTM rules, Prairie Home Companion, Splendid Table etc. drools
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Today someone called in and asked Dennis Miller what happened to cause his politics to change. He dropped his usual "cool cat" bullshit and threw a little tantrum about how he hates that question and people who ask it are stupid and he basically just said "because people change" and hung up on the caller. So people change, but asking why they did is rude. Got it, Dennis. Ramadu posted:I think the most insane thing is that I have to try and decipher what the hell their crall is trying to say half the time because they abbreviate as much as they can. It baffles me as to why they do that. Their viewers can't read and pride themselves on it. Ned posted:I see Dennis Miller as the type of person who thinks he knows more than everyone and he is compensating for the fact that the only thing he has done with his life is tell jokes. When did he tell a joke? And by "tell a joke" I mean "say something that was funny".
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BiggerBoat posted:When did he tell a joke? And by "tell a joke" I mean "say something that was funny". Dennis Miller was easily one of the funniest SNL cast members when he was on it and his HBO show was pretty funny too. It was only after 9/11 that he totally lost it and became a hollow shell of his former self.
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