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He's still a vampire with a bunch of extra hit dice and magical items. Even without spells that's a hell of a fight.
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greatn posted:Are his spells necessarily gone? Thor already granted them for the day. Surely he wouldn't be granting some more if he asked, but he already handed those spells over. Does the inconvenience of a little bit of death take that away? Is Thor even paying attention? Considering he actually died, and I think you have to rest and re-up your spells after you return to life in any way, I don't think he'll have spells. That might be a house-rule of my father's, though; he was my first DM and I've carried the rule on into any game I've DMed, and it's never come up in a game DMed by someone else. e: vv It mainly comes up when the mage dies in a random encounter due to bad luck and the group heads back to town instead of onward to revive him, and he wants to know if he kept all his spells or not. razorrozar fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Mar 16, 2013 |
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Mar 15, 2013 23:52
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Yeah dying and being brought back to life thirty seconds later is such an unlikely scenario I don't think it's ever come up before in any game I've played in.
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According to 3.5e, Raise Dead posted:[A] character who died with spells prepared has a 50% chance of losing any given spell upon being raised, in addition to losing spells for losing a level. A spellcasting creature that doesn’t prepare spells (such as a sorcerer) has a 50% chance of losing any given unused spell slot as if it had been used to cast a spell, in addition to losing spell slots for losing a level. Resurrection posted:Upon completion of the spell, the creature is immediately restored to full hit points, vigor, and health, with no loss of prepared spells. However, the subject loses one level, or 2 points of Constitution if the subject was 1st level.
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Mar 16, 2013 00:39
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So you lose spells (percent chance) on Raise Dead. Good thing Durkon wasn't raised!
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Mar 16, 2013 00:41
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The real problem isn't that he's now a vampire, the problem is that he's a vampire that looks like your buddy. 
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Mar 16, 2013 01:14
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Jimbone Tallshanks posted:The real problem isn't that he's now a vampire, the problem is that he's a vampire that looks like your buddy. Except, they just have to look at the speech bubbles to see that he's evil. That and the eyes.
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Mar 16, 2013 01:23
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Mocha Frost posted:Except, they just have to look at the speech bubbles to see that he's evil. That and the eyes. I don't think his concern was over them not realizing, I think the concern was the emotional impact of fighting a monster that looks like your dead friend.
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Mar 16, 2013 02:32
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greatn posted:So you lose spells (percent chance) on Raise Dead. Dude was almost out of spells anyway. Had nothing left over 4th level, and had used a fair chunk of those below.
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Mar 16, 2013 02:33
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Mocha Frost posted:Except, they just have to look at the speech bubbles to see that he's evil. That and the eyes. Just because he's evil doesn't mean he isn't still their friend. The OotS aren't Miko. ConfusedUs posted:Dude was almost out of spells anyway. Had nothing left over 4th level, and had used a fair chunk of those below. I went and checked, and Durkon does have spells above 4th level, but he comments that the ceiling is too low for Thor's Might, and he doesn't have ten minutes for the casting time of Planar Ally. He has at least one 5th and 6th level spell, and likely a few others in his 5th and 6th spell slots, but none of them were useful for combat. -EDIT- Not that its terribly important, however being able to summon a Planar Ally and a vampire with Thor's Might could be a deadly combo for the Order to face. Unlikely to happen, though. Who What Now fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Mar 16, 2013 |
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Who What Now posted:Just because he's evil doesn't mean he isn't still their friend. The OotS aren't Miko. Yo Order of the Stick here's a Barbed Devil to help me out and his summoned Barbed Devil Friend.
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Hey maybe he could summon planar ally Nale's girlfriend. (he can't actually, and Malack wouldn't want to help Nale anyway)
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Mar 16, 2013 20:48
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Beeen a while since I played 3.5 but I thought once you died you lost all remaining spells for the day?
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spoon daddy posted:Beeen a while since I played 3.5 but I thought once you died you lost all remaining spells for the day? You don't. If you are raised you have 50% chance. If you are Resurrected you just don't lose them. I would say being vamped is closer to being resurrected then raised.
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Mar 17, 2013 19:53
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Hmm, the lich template specifically says a lich can cast any spells it could when alive, but the vampire template does not.
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I'd say a problem is more that a cleric gets his powers from his god, and if he pisses him off enough the god can cut it all off. A formerly good cleric turned into a vampire would have to pick a new god before he can cast any spells or channel energy. But Durkon was already a competent fighter before, now he has +2 to +6 on all attributes, an at-will dominate, damage reduction, resistance, fast healing etc peak debt fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Mar 19, 2013 |
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Would Thor even notice before the day is through? Ehh, there's so many ways that the specifics can go that its pointless to speculate.
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This may not mean anything per the rules, but in Forgotten Realms when Lloth went and hosed off to the Demonweb Pits and stopped giving her clerics any new spells or powers, the clerics could still cast the spells they had previously prepared, as well as any scrolls or spell-trigger items they had. Obviously as time went on such items became increasingly more precious, and very few preistesses had spells of their own, if any at all. So Durkon might keep his spells, but be unable to get new ones.
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I think the transfer to Hel hook has already been placed, but beyond that I feel like Rich has gone enough out of D&D that it's hard to guess based on game rules.
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Spiderdrake posted:I think the transfer to Hel hook has already been placed, but beyond that I feel like Rich has gone enough out of D&D that it's hard to guess based on game rules. I think Durkin mentions that no one really worships her, so I'd be interested in seeing who else he has for our vampire cleric.
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pinegala posted:I think Durkin mentions that no one really worships her, so I'd be interested in seeing who else he has for our vampire cleric. Hel seems like such a good fit. Especially if Rich goes with the older style of vampire that creeps in night after night and makes people slowly waste away in their beds. That would be about the worst way to die for a norse-themed dwarf.
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Mniot posted:Hel seems like such a good fit. Especially if Rich goes with the older style of vampire that creeps in night after night and makes people slowly waste away in their beds. That would be about the worst way to die for a norse-themed dwarf. Plus she's gotten more screen time than any other of the Norse pantheon besides Loki and Thor himself...and that screen time's all been in this book. I'd say Rich's been setting up a switch to Hel, alright.
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Mar 22, 2013 06:15
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Golly, I wonder if Rich is okay. :ohdearsmiley:
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jng2058 posted:Plus she's gotten more screen time than any other of the Norse pantheon besides Loki and Thor himself...and that screen time's all been in this book. I'd say Rich's been setting up a switch to Hel, alright. Although it could just be setup for an epic battle for Durkon's soul.
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Mar 22, 2013 09:58
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Man, that string of nine daily comics spoiled me rotten. I can't deal with this schedule anymore!
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my dad posted:Although it could just be setup for an epic battle for Durkon's soul. Hmmm. That's possible too.
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Message posted:Golly, I wonder if Rich is okay. :ohdearsmiley: Last time we abused that power he sliced his thumb open.
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Message posted:Golly, I wonder if Rich is okay. :ohdearsmiley: You know, I can post Goblins if you want. There's a particularly awful page, even by Thunt standards. But that's not really what you want, is it?
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Niton posted:You know, I can post Goblins if you want. There's a particularly awful page, even by Thunt standards. But that's not really what you want, is it? I went to check out of curiosity. Good lord, OotS's wordiest comics have nothing, absolutely nothing on Goblins' wall of 
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 New OOTS! #881, Temporary Weakness I am *really* starting to like Belkar. I never used to that much, but he is fast becoming my favourite character.
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Cauldron Moose posted:
Yup. This is an amazing Belkar moment.
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Mar 22, 2013 14:15
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Colonial Air Force posted:
I'd empty quote this if I could. And I felt sorry for Belkar with that last line. It IS what be brings to the table, but...maybe we're past "pretending to care" and slowly inching our way towards "caring in a cold, heartless manner."
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That was easily 2d6 of ice burn.
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CobiWann posted:I'd empty quote this if I could. We certainly are, the thing is that in comic-time this change literally happened yesterday so Roy has every reason to still consider Belkar a monster.
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Elan looks so wounded when Roy tells him his spellcasting abilities (and him personally) don't count for anything. Roy in breakdown/meltdown mode isn't very pretty. Belkar was 100% right to call him out.
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Alchenar posted:We certainly are, the thing is that in comic-time this change literally happened yesterday so Roy has every reason to still consider Belkar a monster. Yesterday? Didn't the change happen back in Cliffport? Surely they've been in the deary kingdom longer than a day.
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FMguru posted:Elan looks so wounded when Roy tells him his spellcasting abilities (and him personally) don't count for anything. Can you blame him, though? He just lost his oldest friend in a way that's worse than death. Sure, Belkar's verbal pimp-slap was entirely necessary, but it's unreasonably to expect Roy to have his head in a good place right now.
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All pep talk asides, Roy still has a point. When the Linear Guild attacks, there really isn't much they can do t this point. I mean, I love it when OotS goes out of its way to show that D&D rules aren't everything, but right now, they are kind of hosed.
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greatn posted:Yesterday? Didn't the change happen back in Cliffport? Surely they've been in the deary kingdom longer than a day. No that was 'pretend to be good'. The actual change happened in the arena (which was 'yesterday'). You'll notice that while Roy and Belkar are in prison Belkar is evil evil to the other prisoners right in front of Roy.
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