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Ah, forgot about the GTR - but at the same time, that's a limited production / halo car, at least in comparison to the CTS. The turbo V6 vs NA V8 argument for the Corvette has been going on for decades now, and yeah that was the logic they cited - but with the Corvette there is also the very real idea that it needs to have a V8 no matter what. A turbo V6 might be easier to package, since if you really need to you can adjust where the turbos are located to tweak the overall size of the engine. With the V8, you're limited to playing with the accessory drive and the intake / exhaust manifolds.
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KozmoNaut posted:Oh wow, Autoline suck rear end. How much? Heh, my '95 Eagle Vision had this.....its the futar!
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I would have thought that engine news was for the ATS-V. I wonder what they are going to throw in there now seeing as the twin turbo V6 is going into the CTS.
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Franco Caution posted:I would have thought that engine news was for the ATS-V. What's stopping them from also putting it in an ATS-V?
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Heated seats are not a rarity in cars these days, and ventilated seats that shoot that cool air up your crack and backside are also becoming more common. Mercedes-Benz though has added a new seat feature in their new S-Class. Reversing fans! I can only assume this is some new technology aimed at taking the joy out of ripping one in your car and watching in delight as your passengers twist around in disgust. Some beautiful new S-Class interior pictures and info here. e:  The right most button is labeled "R" for reversing fan. Or "Fart Fan" as it should be referred to as from now on. Mental Hospitality fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Mar 18, 2013 |
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IOwnCalculus posted:I don't think so, actually - I don't see any mention of calling the 420hp CTS a CTS-V. I get two possibilities out of this. One, GM could be discontinuing the CTS-V altogether, but I doubt that. The Gen 1 and 2 CTS-V were both released a year after their platform. I'm not sure I'm convinced this 2014 model is a full on platform update, but that may be what's happening. No way they'd cut the power on the CTS-V unless it was significantly lighter than the present one.
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There's a 410hp twin turbo V6 in the new Quattroporte. Hopefully, that engine will make its way to the smaller Ghibli and maybe even in some Mopar products. We should be seeing a lot of awesome new product in the next couple years. Has there ever been a better time for engine power and variety?
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Nurburgring officially for sale: http://bridgetogantry.com/2/index.php/home/news/497-the-ring-is-for-sale-and-it-s-scaring-me Hopefully the buyer doesn't curtail access to the public, but they probably will 
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Did anything ever progress with that dude's plan to recreate the Nurburgring outside of Las Vegas? I just assumed it was a pipe dream but that sure would be interesting if it got done. Would love to see an American Le Mans Series on it. Which incidentally since it merged with Grand-Am will be renamed to United SportsCar Racing next year.
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That was Bruton Smith, he's a noted liar.
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SouthLAnd posted:The right most button is labeled "R" for reversing fan. Or "Fart Fan" as it should be referred to as from now on. It goes right into the engine intakes for improved fuel economy without any performance penalty.
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A Pursuit Special, running on Methane!
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http://www.callawaycars.com/cars/callaway-c21-corvette-aerowagon/ Body kit for the C7 turning it into a shooting brake. I think it looks better than the C7. 
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Endless Mike posted:What's stopping them from also putting it in an ATS-V? I'm pretty sure this engine has been rumored to be going in the ATS-V for quite some time now. We probably won't hear much about it until after an m3/4 announcement though.
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Kenshin posted:http://www.callawaycars.com/cars/callaway-c21-corvette-aerowagon/ Time to go FF hunting.
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Kenshin posted:http://www.callawaycars.com/cars/callaway-c21-corvette-aerowagon/ Stunning.
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davebo posted:The GT-R is still V6 right, not inline 6? That started out at like 480 and is up to 530 now? I don't know exactly how much weight plays a factor but it seems like GM's V8's end up giving better fuel economy than these twin turbo V6's. Didn't they say when launching the C7 that they just couldn't get better fuel economy out of a turbo'd v6 than they were getting from the V8? Does the difference in weight make a turbo 6 the preferable choice for the CTS? A turbo V6 is almost certainly heavier than a naturally aspirated pushrod V8. MrSaturn posted:The Gen 1 and 2 CTS-V were both released a year after their platform. I'm not sure I'm convinced this 2014 model is a full on platform update, but that may be what's happening. No way they'd cut the power on the CTS-V unless it was significantly lighter than the present one. It is on the Alpha platform, like the ATS. Sigma is dead.
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BoostCreep posted:Stunning. It really is quite beautiful.
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Weren't there rumors about a 'budget' Corvette a while back? If they put this engine into the -V cars AND the Corvette they could market that the -V's have "Corvette engines" in them.
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I don't think a TT V6 is gonna be budget friendly. Parts and assembly for an NA V8 has gotta be cheaper.
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IOwnCalculus posted:A turbo V6 might be easier to package, since if you really need to you can adjust where the turbos are located to tweak the overall size of the engine. With the V8, you're limited to playing with the accessory drive and the intake / exhaust manifolds. I honestly cant see how a V6TT could possibly be easier. There's just so much added poo poo you need to deal with - as well as the OHC making the engine physically bigger and it will certainly be quite a bit heavier all up.
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IOwnCalculus posted:I don't think so, actually - I don't see any mention of calling the 420hp CTS a CTS-V. I get two possibilities out of this. One, GM could be discontinuing the CTS-V altogether, but I doubt that. Yeah it's pretty clear this is a 550i/E550/M56 competitor that people have been clamouring for to slot between then 3.6 and the V. The 2l might be for overseas markets with odd displacement limits. The Chinese XTS and Lacrosse both have it.
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Cat Terrist posted:Ummmm..... no. Tossing the front and rear for purpose built replacements is fundamentally changing the chassis to something a hell of a lot different. Yes in the way that the suspension geometry can be changed; pickup points moved, anti squat/dive set in but I wasn't saying that. I was saying that a cage and custom subframes don't completely make up for a bad unibody if said car had one.
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While I love me some turbo V6es, I just don't understand why. They could easily get the same power and better economy from a LSwhatever, and it would probably cost less in manufacturing, too. And probably be lighter. Why? Also, it's weird that lut of 4 engines, only one is NA, in the CTSes nowadays. Crazy times, man.
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Method Loser posted:While I love me some turbo V6es, I just don't understand why. They could easily get the same power and better economy from a LSwhatever, and it would probably cost less in manufacturing, too. And probably be lighter. Why? Also, it's weird that lut of 4 engines, only one is NA, in the CTSes nowadays. Crazy times, man. My best guess is that GM is using a Twin Turbo V6 in the CTS to differentiate it from the Chevrolet SS.
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Sole Survivor posted:My best guess is that GM is using a Twin Turbo V6 in the CTS to differentiate it from the Chevrolet SS. I... guess? I dunno, seems like a hell of a lot of cost and work for something totally 100% unneeded. Gives some neat talking points though I guess.
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Sole Survivor posted:My best guess is that GM is using a Twin Turbo V6 in the CTS to differentiate it from the Chevrolet SS. Weren't they only going to sell a couple of thousand Chevys every year? Hardly seems like a reason. The turbo V6 might have a better torque profile than the V8, suitable for a luxury car.
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Yeah, I guess I have to throw my hat into the "A new LS1 would probably be better than a turbo V6" camp. I just can't see how it would end up being more economical or better performing than the V8. Is it just an image thing? To compete with the European super sedans its got to have turbos and multiple cams?
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Keep in mind that GM's upper management right now is in constant flux and their CEO knows very little about cars or the auto industry but likes to meddle in development and planning, so really there's lots of plausible explanations involving ignorance or refusing to make a decision in addition to the actually reasonable ones.
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Maybe, even if the initial release doesn't have better fuel economy than a comparably powered LS, GM is convinced they can tune the thing to eventually deliver better economy.
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Or maybe their chief executive read an article in the shitter one day about how all the other luxury brands are moving to turbo engines and then immediately demanded one for Cadillac because "V8s are old GM thinking and we need to shift some paradigms." Alternatively, they want to further distinguish the CTS-V as the only one with a V8 and already have a turbo 6 developed for a different car like the ATS-V or something. Allowing you to get the ATS-V engine in a regular CTS might help establish the stratification between the models and help push the CTS further upmarket now that the ATS is here to compete with the 3-series. Or because new internal initiatives are about trying to kill engine/engineering variety, so the only way to not throw away the turbo 6 they've been working on for several years is to try and shoehorn it into as many platforms as possible to make it harder to kill. Large organizations often end up making decisions for lots of reasons. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Mar 19, 2013 |
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They could just be using the caddy it to test the engine for truck duty, which is where the real profit is.
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What would be odds that the next generation Camaro gets the TTV6, or an SS version of the 2014 Impala?
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they probably just want to relive the 300z twin turbo commercial.
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As mentioned earlier it's pretty much a shoe in for the alleged new Grand National/GNX.
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SouthLAnd posted:Yeah, I guess I have to throw my hat into the "A new LS1 would probably be better than a turbo V6" camp. I just can't see how it would end up being more economical or better performing than the V8. Why wouldn't it be more economical? Holden Commodore SS-V 6AT = 12.2l/100km, 260kw, rwd Audi S6 7AT = 9.6l/100km, 309kw, 4wd
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dissss posted:Why wouldn't it be more economical? The only reason I can think of is that half this thread has been in a coma for the last 5-10 years of engine development.
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DropShadow posted:Yeah, because focus groups are always right on the money. By the time a vehicle is at this stage, its styling is finished, and no amount of consumer feedback is going to change it. See the new Cherokee, for example. And manufacturers camouflage their pre-production cars so other manufacturers don't steal their design cues and rush them to market first.  Actually that's slightly different and predates both the LR and the Mitsu...
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dissss posted:Why wouldn't it be more economical? Ford Ecoboost: Horsepower of a V8/V6, fuel economy of a V6/I4! (Neither of these have proven to be true unless you go strictly by the super accurate and never ridiculous EPA ratings).
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