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Cream-of-Plenty posted:Who said that you shouldn't play "Hell Revealed" with BD? This poo poo is the bees' knees. Some people expect to be able to play any map pack using Brutal Doom's balance, on Ultra-violence, and be able to get through any level without ever saving/loading. These people are very silly, but they also tend to be very loud. Dominic White fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Mar 19, 2013 |
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The Kins posted:Clive Barker's Undying has been given the GOG treatment. Is this game actually good or is it just interesting? I always heard how great it was but never got around to playing it. TerminusEst13 posted:NEW_ACHIEVEMENT_4_8 It's like they're speaking directly to me.  e: also thanks to Unreal i can't not hear that one stock wind sound effect used loving everywhere. that and the pig sound from warcraft, it drives me insane
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The Kins posted:Clive Barker's Undying has been given the GOG treatment. Yodzilla posted:Is this game actually good or is it just interesting? I always heard how great it was but never got around to playing it. I love this game. Let me tell you guys about this game. In Undying you play as the sexiest man in the universe, Patrick Galloway, who survived some war with a bunch of weirdo savages thanks to a man with the coolest name ever, Jeremiah Covenant. Patrick got a kickass bluish green stone for his efforts. What does this stone do? Shut up it's magic. Anyway, after the war Patrick becomes a paranormal adventurer/investigator and does things for people for money related to those two things I just labeled him as. Eventually, his old pal Jeremiah Dopeassname calls him back and is like, "My dead as gently caress family is haunting me and I don't know why." It probably had to do with the fact that he and his siblingtons read from an ancient arcane book at a gathering of stones that clearly look like a hand rising from the depths of hell. Idiots. So Patrick shows up, and the game begins. Let me tell you about the gameplay. It's a first person shooter. BUT it's also an adventure game. BUT it's also a horror game. It's like Unreal, Resident Evil 1, and Resident Evil 1 had some kind of freaky clone threesome. It also has this cool weapon system where Patrick uses a gun or other weapon in one hand (his LEFT hand. Southpaws represent) and magic spells in the other. That's right, Undying was doing gun + plasmid poo poo before Bioshock, and the first Bioshock had the audacity to make you switch between them. The spells are awesome. There's Scrye, which you'll know when to use because a voice in your head will go, "SEEEEEEE" or "SCRRYYEEEEEE" or "LOOOOOOOK" or "OOOOOOHhhhoOOOOoooOOHH." Scrye let's you see stuff your normal lovely human eyes won't, like ghosts, or past events, or Sam Neil (although where you're going, you won't need scrye to see.) There's other spells too, like Ectoplasm (balls of energy) and my favourite, Invoke. Invoke does two things. 1: it raises fallen enemies to fight for you. Cool, right? WRONG, DUMBASS. 2: it puts the undead to rest. Cool, right? YES, DUMBASS. Let's say you use your badass Tibetan War Cannon (oh yeah, did I mention that's one of the weapons?) to kill some creepy skellingtons. Those fuckers are going to get right back up. But not if you use Invoke on them. Then they sizzle to dust (not really) and actually die. Again. There's another spell. It's the best spell. It's Skull Storm. Listen to that name. Skull Storm. Are there any metal bands with names that cool? It was a trick question, there's only one answer. (no) Skull Storm summons several cacklingly mad, violence prone, explosive skulls at your disposal. Fling them at enemies to make them blow the hell up. Why would you not do this. The regular weapons are ace too. A sexy revolver. A sawed off double barrel shotgun. Oooooh. An ancient scythe that kills bosses in one swipe, should you aim it the right way. You are going to aim it the right way, right? You're not that guy? This is an FPS from the 90's as well, so none of this regenerating health garbage. You pick up first aid like a real man, and carry it in your inventory, and then use your big boy brain to determine when is the best time to use them, instead of sitting behind the 7000th concrete barrier and sucking on the barrel of babby's first assault rifle while your mom carefully wades through the battle field to burp you so all the smuckers sugar free rasberry jam falls out of your eyes. 11/10 buy Clive Barker's Undying.
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Al Cu Ad Solte posted:I love this game. Let me tell you guys about this game. A+++ Would read again
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Mar 19, 2013 15:41
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Al Cu Ad Solte posted:11/10 buy Clive Barker's Undying.
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The only thing I hold against Undying is that it made me give other things with Clive Barker's name attached a try. Don't do that, just buy Undying.
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Geight posted:The only thing I hold against Undying is that it made me give other things with Clive Barker's name attached a try. Don't do that, just buy Undying. Yeah seriously. Clive Barker's Jericho? It is the exact opposite of all those things I said about Clive Barker's Undying, which means its not very good at all. Clive Barker.
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quote:In Undying you play as the sexiest man in the universe, Patrick Galloway, who survived some war with a bunch of weirdo savages thanks to a man with the coolest name ever, Jeremiah Covenant. Patrick got a kickass bluish green stone for his efforts. What does this stone do? Shut up it's magic.
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Jblade posted:True story, originally the main character was going to be a big muscley bald guy called Magnus Wolfram (or something similar) but Clive Barker took one look and said "make the main character a man I'd want to jump into bed with" and Patrick Galloway was born Woah, Clive Barker makes out with dudes?
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Insert "Midnight Meat Train" joke here. Also I'll probably sneak a test build of Reelism onto here sometime tomorrow. No cool new things, but lots of little tweaks and bug fixes. Aliens don't utterly tank the framerate anymore!
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The Kins posted:Insert "Midnight Meat Train" joke here. Well, guess I have something to do before Duke 3D Megaton Edition comes out. I'm actually kind of psyched to play the Expansion packs, which I never have until now. I hope they ship with the same exact .GRP files as eDuke32 expects because there's high-res packs for those as well. Also we'll need to start throwing together some multiplayer matches.
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horse mans posted:Woah, Clive Barker makes out with dudes? yep. While Undying is dated graphically, it has some really awesome atmosphere. The victorian house is just amazing. You'll freak out with hallways that have open windows with drapes moving in the wind that obscure your vision. Things like that plus the sound is really well done. You'll get startled by even some of your weapons. The setting is done amazingly well and there are little magical details here and there which are pretty neat. I would say some of them by I'd ruin them. The game is a really neat experience. The basic guns are awesome. The revolver bullets ricochet off walls and you can use silver bullets. The shotgun is a classic double barreled breech open shotgun wand you can use normal shell or incendiary shells to burn poo poo to hell. I lost my 8 dollar copy I got at Costco  . It's totally worth 6 bucks or whatever it goes for when it's on sale.
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horse mans posted:Also we'll need to start throwing together some multiplayer matches. I know Zandronum and Aleph One have marvelous online capabilities, and I know eDuke32 has some online as well, though a bit more...uh...nt as marvelous.
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How can you say all that about Undying without mentioning the best part: Launching hapless goats into the air with the repel spell and watching their legs run at 150mph in mid air.
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Adding my further support for Undying. At higher resolutions, I think the graphics actually hold up pretty well, though the characters fare better than the environments. Some of the writing is admittedly tongue-in-cheek, but the game does have a few of the legitimately creepier moments from that era (like the church inside the mansion with the ghosts of the evil priests). Unless I'm remembering this incorrectly, isn't Undying also the game where Patrick Galloway, after decapitating Lilith or one of the female bosses, walks her still screaming head to the edge of a cliff and then proceeds to drop-punt it into the sea?
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Mar 19, 2013 18:04
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:Who said that you shouldn't play "Hell Revealed" with BD? This poo poo is the bees' knees.
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So my copy of PSX Doom arrived today... it's not that bad aside from the inability to save your game (it uses a password system instead). PROS
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Now I've got Quake 2 for PSX on order. 
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Mar 19, 2013 18:23
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Saving space...on a CD? Why would that be a problem for loving Doom of all things? Also it seems surprising that they would have to take away level geometry.
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Yodzilla posted:Saving space...on a CD? Why would that be a problem for loving Doom of all things? Also it seems surprising that they would have to take away level geometry.
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Zero Star posted:[*]No Icon of Sin So what's the end?
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Yodzilla posted:Saving space...on a CD? Why would that be a problem for loving Doom of all things? Also it seems surprising that they would have to take away level geometry. It was likely to increase performance, not save disc space. The game kills PSX hardware at some points. The framerate drops to frustrating levels in the gimmick Revenant Night Club secret stage, for example. Also the game uses a redbook audio soundtrack which probably takes up a good 2/3 of the disc at least. Mak0rz fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Mar 19, 2013 |
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Mar 19, 2013 18:33
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Mak0rz posted:It was likely to increase performance, not save disk space. The game kills PSX hardware at some points. The framerate drops to frustrating levels in the gimmick Revenant Night Club secret stage, for example.
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The PSX had a minuscule amount of RAM, much less than Doom's original PC requirements, so that's probably the limiting factor here. Hangar must have been just a smidge over the limit, so it received minor tweaks and simplifications and made the cut. The other missing maps must have been so much further beyond the PSX's capability that they would have had to have been completely redesigned. Icon of Sin would then have been cut because it uses every type of monster in the game and the PSX couldn't have loaded them all at once.
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Kakumei posted:So what's the end? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y25DnoP9YZM
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The reduced level geometry is also the same reduced level geometry used in the Jaguar Doom port, I believe.
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Zero Star posted:This. A load of Barons and then some Spiderdemons "...a lifetime of  ~frivolity~ " Man, that voiceover was really out of place, what with PSX Doom using ambient soundtracks instead of synth-metal and feeling somewhat more "serious" because of it.
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Also, this can happen in the PSX version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCaY9c-jDxQ And the Archvile was cut from PSX because it used twice as many frames as any other monster. The developers "just couldn't do him justice".
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Some dumb idiot posted:The reduced level geometry is also the same reduced level geometry used in the Jaguar Doom port, I believe. You know a system was doomed (pun acknowledged) when one of its best games was a reduced port of an old PC title.
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Al Cu Ad Solte posted:Best Undying review ever. Seriously, I love you now as much as I love Undying. It's indeed a great game and a great experience.
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TheMammoth posted:You know a system was doomed (pun acknowledged) when one of its best games was a reduced port of an old PC title. The 'texture swimming' issue that the PS1 had has been discussed before, but it reared its ugly head in Doom - if you look at a switch from the side, it can seem as though there are two switches instead of one. And then you turn to face it properly, and the phantom switch vanishes.
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You got your Half-Life 2 in my Doom! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2yPfWXPIs0 I was expecting this to seem gimmicky and unplayable, but it actually looks like a lot of fun. This might be enough to convince me to finally buy HL2 on Steam.
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Dominic White posted:Some people expect to be able to play any map pack using Brutal Doom's balance, on Ultra-violence, and be able to get through any level without ever saving/loading. It's been years since I originally played Hell Revealed, but that's basically how I'm playing it right now--BD, UV, trying to blast through maps without saving/loading. It's intense but, yeah, it's pretty dumb if you hold it against the authors when you end up failing miserably. Korendian Leader posted:I did. Don't do it. Too late.  TheMammoth posted:You know a system was doomed (pun acknowledged) when one of its best games was a reduced port of an old PC title. I remember the commercials for the Jaguar involving an elevator, and boasting about the system's 64-bit prowess that was totally radical and totally 64-bit. Nobody I knew ever ended up owning one, and it was discussed like some sort of gonzo toy that didn't have any decent games. Cream-of-Plenty fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Mar 19, 2013 |
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DIEGETIC SPACEMAN posted:You got your Half-Life 2 in my Doom! After watching this clip, I can not wait to get back to school so I can download and play this.
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TheMammoth posted:Unless I'm remembering this incorrectly, isn't Undying also the game where Patrick Galloway, after decapitating Lilith or one of the female bosses, walks her still screaming head to the edge of a cliff and then proceeds to drop-punt it into the sea? Yup. It's awesome.
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Zero Star posted:So my copy of PSX Doom arrived today... it's not that bad aside from the inability to save your game (it uses a password system instead). PSX Doom used a hardware renderer, so they could do fancy stuff like translucent walls and colored lighting. On the other hand, the video memory was exceptionally small, which forced to reduce the texture and monster palette. Also, the renderer they made was incapable of tiling textures vertically more than once, instead it stretches them to their full extent. That's why, quite often, very tall rooms in Doom (or, especially, Doom II, which used verticalness a lot more) were flattened. "The Crusher" is a good illustration. There's a detailed explanation over there. For the Doom levels, the architecture has been simplified more than was necessary, though. They've been ported from the Jaguar Doom version, which was even more limited (e.g., no transparent textures, so the brown fences just before the exit room in E1M1 were replaced by some solid geometry instead). The levels don't start to become visually interesting until you get into those that weren't in Jaguar Doom.
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I remember getting to the last level of Doom 2 and basically not being able to beat it until we got a RAM upgrade. We shrank the window size all the way down with the - key but it still chugged.
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Jag Doom is still a really good port when compared to the other Doom ports from the same era; better than 3DO, 32x, and SNES by far, though it does lack all music. Also, it has multiplayer, system linked multiplayer. I've got 2 Jags, 2 Doom carts, 2 Jag network adapters and have attempted to play coop in the last few years. It didn't go well, frequent de-synchs and dropouts, but it sure was awesome to try. The Jag Doom manual literally blames demonic corruption for the poor network stability. My understanding was that the network adapters weren't even finished when Jag Doom was being made, so they probably couldn't test it properly. It's the only released game to use the adaptor though!
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Copper Vein posted:Jag Doom is still a really good port when compared to the other Doom ports from the same era; better than 3DO, 32x, and SNES by far, though it does lack all music. Dedicated weapon buttons. I never realized how much I would miss them until I recently started playing it on my 360...
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Mak0rz posted:Who else here gets a flood of nostalgia whenever they have to open the old DOS setup programs? "Your sound card works perfectly." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_A1GNx0M9M Pow, right in the childhood. DIEGETIC SPACEMAN posted:You got your Half-Life 2 in my Doom!  oh man that looks fun as hell
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The Kins posted:The Catacombs series is now on GOG. They're kind of weird! Oh man I am irrationally excited about this. Catacomb Abyss was probably the first FPS game I played when I was a wee lad, very fond memories of role-playing a badass wizard and killing demons and poo poo. I actually played through it a few months ago for the first time in many years and still had a blast, despite how clunky and outdated it is. I really do like the cartoon art style too. Can't wait to have some time to go through these again. If you never played any of the Catacomb games but are like me and will play through old games you missed for fun/nostalgia/curiosity/whatever, definitely pick them up.
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