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I get them confused since they were both before my time and they had similar names, but it struck we as odd that Adrian Street won best gimmick the same year that Adrian Adonis was voted as the worst. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wrestling_Observer_Newsletter_awards#Best_Gimmick
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Danshoku Dino does stuff that Goldust could only dream of in Japan and is one of the most over wrestlers in that company. If it's done well, people love it. If it isn't, people hate it. I don't think that Goldust was done well at that time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb9ohr7TfE0
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If you think the reaction to Goldust was bad, people used to chant "human being" at Adrian Adonis.
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There's a part in that Pillman piece that I wanted to ask about.Meltzer posted:Around Labor Day, Ross ordered him to take a drug test. He went nuts, admitting he was taking pain pills, just like everyone else in the company, because he believed it was impossible to be a pro wrestler without them. He was vehement about being picked on, particularly because it was by Ross, who in his deluded mind, he saw as a close friend who betrayed him. He insisted he was doing nothing nobody else wasn't doing, and claimed Shawn Michaels, one of the company's biggest stars, was worse off than he was, but was politically untouchable for some reason. He said he had never gone on television so loaded he couldn't perform, noting another top star had done so twice in recent weeks, with impunity. Who was he referring to here? The way it's written implies that it's someone other than Michaels. This is placed around Labor Day of 1997, so I'm guessing maybe Bulldog? If you wanna call him a top star. He was part of the Hart Foundation/Austin angle that was huge at that time, and feuding with HBK over the Euro title.
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I think one of the interesting dynamics of early Goldust was him soliciting homophobia from the faces like Razor Ramon in order to cause them discomfort and lower their guard. In mid-1990's terms, the most commentators would call that was "mind games on the part of Goldust". But as a serious heel tactic, it had never been done in such a risque manner before. Adrian Street was more of a comedic gay character - he even helped train Rico when they made Billy and Chuck gay characters.
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nasboat posted:Who was he referring to here? The way it's written implies that it's someone other than Michaels. This is placed around Labor Day of 1997, so I'm guessing maybe Bulldog? If you wanna call him a top star. He was part of the Hart Foundation/Austin angle that was huge at that time, and feuding with HBK over the Euro title. I think Road Warrior Hawk if I have the time period correct
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jeffersonlives posted:I think Road Warrior Hawk if I have the time period correct this makes sense. I was thrown off by 'top star' because I really limit my thinking there, but yeah....within a year they were making angles out of it.
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nasboat posted:There's a part in that Pillman piece that I wanted to ask about. Here's Bulldog vs. Dude Love from the last TV Taping before Labor Day 1997 (taped August 23rd, aired September 5th): http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x22k0v_raw-9-5-97-part-two_shortfilms#.UUk2PBfYd1s EDIT: Here's LOD's match from the same episode: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x22l5y_raw-9-5-97-part-four_shortfilms#.UUk3OBfYd1s EugeneJ fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Mar 20, 2013 |
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Mar 20, 2013 05:10
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I know Bret said that bulldog wrestled super hosed up sometimes
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MassRayPer posted:They got a good one!
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quote:MOST DISGUSTING PROMOTIONAL TACTIC
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STAC Goat posted:That sort of surprises me. I never saw that one as sleazy in any way. Is it just that Andre is such a revered guy that trading on his name and legacy is seen as uncool? There's been tons of fake family members and fake lineages used in wrestling. In and of itself I never actually saw that stuff as disgusting. Well, bear in mind, Andre had only been dead for a few years when that happened.
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VogeGandire posted:Well, bear in mind, Andre had only been dead for a few years when that happened. Didn't they also hint that Hogan was responsible for Andre's death?
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VogeGandire posted:Well, bear in mind, Andre had only been dead for a few years when that happened. Yeah, but I mean Paul Bearer wasn't even cold yet before Punk started using him for an angle. Different time, maybe, but two to three years seems like a long time in wrestling. Like I said, I guess I can somewhat understand it if its just that Andre was especially revered and the relatively short time since his death made people uncomfortable to be trading off him. It just struck me as odd since I never saw that one as sleazy and that brand of "carny" seems to be a very widely accepted part of wrestling with much worse examples even in very recent memory.
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The American Dream posted:I know Bret said that bulldog wrestled super hosed up sometimes Yes, as was noted in his book the Bulldog had to be carried in the famous Summerslam main event IC bout because he had been up the day/night before SMOKING CRACK!
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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:Yes, as was noted in his book the Bulldog had to be carried in the famous Summerslam main event IC bout because he had been up the day/night before SMOKING CRACK! When I read this, I hear Bryan Alvarez's voice in my head saying it.
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VogeGandire posted:Well, bear in mind, Andre had only been dead for a few years when that happened. I also doubt anyone close to him was consulted with regard to billing the Giant as his son.
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And of course, the angle would end on that random Nitro where Hall asked Giant if he was really Andre's kid. "*Long pause* Nah."
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Has then been an angle that involved a real persons death that did not win or at least get a nomination for most disgusting promotional tactic?
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My friend called a wrestling hotline once and he said it was a complete waste of money and got to hear some pre recorded message from Scott Hall I think. I can't believe people actually called those things.
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Astro7x posted:My friend called a wrestling hotline once and he said it was a complete waste of money and got to hear some pre recorded message from Scott Hall I think. I can't believe people actually called those things. Oh yes they did, along with the Nintendo Power hotline and 1-900 sex talk lines. Pre Internet we did all of the stupid stuff we do now only it cost more money and now we can do it anytime.
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Zack_Gochuck posted:When I read this, I hear Bryan Alvarez's voice in my head saying it. I...I think I wrote that with Alvarez's voice in my head as well 
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bobkatt013 posted:Has then been an angle that involved a real persons death that did not win or at least get a nomination for most disgusting promotional tactic? People seem to love this Paul Bearer storyline, which weirds me out because it feels pretty sleazy to me. Borderline at least. But people here at least seem to love it.
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STAC Goat posted:People seem to love this Paul Bearer storyline, which weirds me out because it feels pretty sleazy to me. Borderline at least. But people here at least seem to love it. I'm sure tons of people in the company are saying "Bill would've approved", and even if that's true, it just feels... not right.
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I'm still not unconvinced that Paul just kept an envelope on his mantelpiece marked "Angles to be used in event of my death".
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When I was a kid, I ran up my parents' phone bill calling the WWF hotline and trying to win the trivia contests. I wasn't trying to get any scoops, I just wanted fabulous prizes 
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I think someone recorded all those hotline things and uploaded them somewhere. I'll have to check it out.
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Red posted:I'm sure tons of people in the company are saying "Bill would've approved", and even if that's true, it just feels... not right. Yeah, I remember the Lawler stuff when they used his heart attack and his mom dying. People said he was seemingly ok with it so we should be too, but I'm not sure I'm wired that way. It felt sleazy and wrong to me even if it was Jerry's idea.
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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:Yes, as was noted in his book the Bulldog had to be carried in the famous Summerslam main event IC bout because he had been up the day/night before SMOKING CRACK! I really wish this wasn't true as The Bulldog and Bret Hart were my two favorites as a kid and that match is by far my favorite of all time. The image of a cracked out Davey Boy really tarnishes it for me.
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Sean Archer posted:I really wish this wasn't true as The Bulldog and Bret Hart were my two favorites as a kid and that match is by far my favorite of all time. Make sure you don't ever read the book yourself then.
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:Oh yes they did, along with the Nintendo Power hotline and 1-900 sex talk lines. Now I remember calling a Nintendo Tip Hotline when I was younger to get help on Legend of Zelda Link's Awakening. And the guy asked me if I was righting everything down and I said "oh, I'm recording this call, I don't need to write it down" and he told me it was illegal to record their call and I felt really bad coconono posted:I think someone recorded all those hotline things and uploaded them somewhere. I'll have to check it out. This would be amazing...
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I'm pretty sure the Nintendo line was actually free up until the 90s or so, when they went from having live people to talk to to a prerecorded thing.
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oldpainless posted:Make sure you don't ever read the book yourself then. Yeah, according to Bret, due to Davey's substance use he was blown up and utterly lost within two minutes of the match and Bret basically had to turn Smith into a ventriloquist's dummy and tell him everything they were going to do for the rest of the match. How much you believe Bret really depends on how much you like Bret: I think at the least it's a little exaggerated (I really read Bret as pissed off for how bad Dynamite and Smith screwed up their lives and by extension their marriages to his sisters) and exacerbated by the fact Smith's not here to defend himself any more.
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DeathChicken posted:I'm pretty sure the Nintendo line was actually free up until the 90s or so, when they went from having live people to talk to to a prerecorded thing. IIRC it was free but a long distance instead of a 1-800 number? I remember it cost my parents in some way so I was only allowed to call on a few occasions.
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Thauros posted:IIRC it was free but a long distance instead of a 1-800 number? I remember it cost my parents in some way so I was only allowed to call on a few occasions. Yeah, people sometimes forget how loving gouging the phone companies were back in the 80s and 90s about long distance calls.
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oldpainless posted:Make sure you don't ever read the book yourself then. Don't read Diana Hart's book either (I think it was Diana's?) because in it she claims Davey Boy came home hosed up once and suplexed her. FAKE EDIT: I didn't read her book either, I read that she says that in the book on the internet.
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fart blood posted:Don't read Diana Hart's book either (I think it was Diana's?) because in it she claims Davey Boy came home hosed up once and suplexed her. I have (found it in a library). I don't remember that part, mainly because Diana, as well as being a liar/delusional, is an absolutely terrible writer and it all just blurs together.
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The Diana Hart book was pulled from shelves after I believe Martha sued her over it. I've read it, insofar as that is possible, since it is nearly unreadable.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:The Diana Hart book was pulled from shelves after I believe Martha sued her over it. I've read it, insofar as that is possible, since it is nearly unreadable. If I remember correctly, the book went back and forth with Davey as a horrible person and as the victim. Jim Neidhart was a terrible person, Bret was a terrible person, Smith/Keith/the rest were all awful people - except for Owen, who was an angel. Everything I've read about Davey Boy suggests he was a meathead who was naturally gifted, but had the misfortune of spending a lot of time with Dynamite Kid, and picking up all his worst habits. Once Dynamite had to leave the business, he was unlucky enough to be surrounded by people who shared a similar lifestyle. And even then, he had really bad luck when it came to politics and random injuries. But it was obvious he overdid it on roids/drugs/everything else. Even during his first WWF singles run, with the braids, he looked like an overcooked hot dog. When he came back for his final WWF stint in 1999, he had a dark tan that couldn't hide stretch marks and who knows what else.
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:Yeah, people sometimes forget how loving gouging the phone companies were back in the 80s and 90s about long distance calls.
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