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Sweeper posted:what the gently caress thank you for saying this so i didn't have to
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Sweeper posted:what the gently caress fyi famdav i worked with a really smart guy at realnetworks who would show candidates an obscurely named template for compile-time factorial calculations and ask what it did. this is an example of the kind of question you should not ask unless you want to hire architecture astronauts
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Mar 20, 2013 02:53
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imo that question's fine as long as the correct answer, upon being faced with a template, is to get up and walk out the door
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Mar 20, 2013 02:58
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Sweeper posted:what the gently caress type traits own bones and make c++ enjoyable. Gazpacho posted:fyi famdav i worked with a really smart guy at realnetworks who would show candidates an obscurely named template for compile-time factorial calculations and ask what it did. this is an example of the kind of question you should not ask unless you want to hire architecture astronauts template factorial is boring. i'd rather have them write an insertion sort for typelists.
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Mar 20, 2013 03:04
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Werthog 95 posted:imo that question's fine as long as the correct answer, upon being faced with a template, is to get up and walk out the door "you guys use templates? heh gotta go!"
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Mar 20, 2013 03:06
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you really shouldn't ask about anything in c++11 imo, just focus on the concept of memory because that's where noobs cause the most trouble like declare a struct type that contains a large fixed size array and then a function that takes that struct as an argument by value and sorts the array, then ask what is wrong and stupid about it or maybe the tried and true "returning address to local var" question
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Mar 20, 2013 03:12
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Gazpacho posted:you really shouldn't ask about anything in c++11 imo, just focus on the concept of memory because that's where noobs cause the most trouble if the applicant has described themselves as "c++ (expert)" then I think its safe to ask obscure questions. the person is either a liar who you don't want, or Alexandrescu who will be able to answer correctly. if they had said "beginner" or "intermediate" then yeah you should go over more fundamental stuff
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Mar 20, 2013 03:19
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ask them to explain the static keyword (in all of its uses  )and auto and register
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Mar 20, 2013 03:26
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ask him to explain the c++03 cast modes which is subtle and at the same time generally useful
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Mar 20, 2013 03:46
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last c++ expert I interviewed couldn't tell me the difference between the stack and the heap btw, book chat while I'm away from my books is just mean anyway, practice of programming by Kernighan and Pike, is the best book.
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Mar 20, 2013 04:33
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any actual c/c++ expert would know not to call himself a c/c++ expert
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Mar 20, 2013 04:37
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Jerry SanDisky posted:if the applicant has described themselves as "c++ (expert)" then I think its safe to ask obscure questions. the person is either a liar who you don't want, or Alexandrescu who will be able to answer correctly. also like tef points out it's very common for people to pass themselves off as "expert c++ experienced professonals" whose knowledge is at the level needed to get through undergrad data structures Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Mar 20, 2013 |
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Mar 20, 2013 05:20
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looking at his resume, he's probably going to be more of a data analyst and work on the light models for our traffic team. i was just really surprised because i've yet to get someone who called themselves a c++ expert considering we advertise for experienced c++ engineers.
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Mar 20, 2013 05:45
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JewKiller 3000 posted:any actual c/c++ expert would know not to call himself a c/c++ expert
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Mar 20, 2013 06:10
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JewKiller 3000 posted:any actual c/c++ expert would know not to call himself a c/c++ expert If school taught me anything, it's that you learn you don't know poo poo.
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Mar 20, 2013 06:12
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ratbert90 posted:If school taught me anything, it's that you learn you don't know poo poo. the purpose of an undergrad degree is to demonstrate to the student that after 12 years of primary school and 4 years of university exactly how little they know.
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Mar 20, 2013 06:17
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JewKiller 3000 posted:any actual c/c++ expert would know not to call himself a c/c++ expert
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Mar 20, 2013 06:19
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a strange language. the only best practice is not to use it
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Mar 20, 2013 06:42
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rotor posted:the purpose of an undergrad degree is to demonstrate to the student that after 12 years of primary school and 4 years of university exactly how little they know. oh good my school did a great job then
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Mar 20, 2013 08:07
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ratbert90 posted:If yospos taught me anything, it's that I don't know poo poo.
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Mar 20, 2013 11:54
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tef posted:last c++ expert I interviewed couldn't tell me the difference between the stack and the heap i took an intro to java training class at sun (many moons ago), and it was loving awesome. there was all kinds of remedial stuff i didn't know, like actually understanding binary math, and stack/heap stuff  i took a second training class and tried to get the same teacher, but apparently they have a policy against letting you do that; they're afraid of stalkers 
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Mar 20, 2013 12:18
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i wish the java 8 compiler was actually capable of compiling code because i want to use it.
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Mar 20, 2013 12:37
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JewKiller 3000 posted:any actual c/c++ expert would know not to call himself a c/c++ expert c++ experts dont take jobs writing c++
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Mar 20, 2013 12:56
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Aleksei Vasiliev posted:i wish the java 8 compiler was actually capable of compiling code because i want to use it. haha I have eclipse setup to show latest changed compiler bugs in eclipse's jira and there's activity there all right
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Mar 20, 2013 12:59
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i'm not entirely convinced that the dudes working on the jdk are actually able to compile anything because they sure aren't testing it all http://hg.openjdk.java.net/lambda/lambda/jdk/rev/0240eb498913 let me just put these instance methods into a class nobody can instantiate...
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Mar 20, 2013 13:17
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prefect posted:i took an intro to java training class at sun (many moons ago), and it was loving awesome. there was all kinds of remedial stuff i didn't know, like actually understanding binary math, and stack/heap stuff back when my brother played baseball, you couldn't ask for your kid to get on a particular coach's team, but you could request to not get a coach. So every parent got a list of all the coaches and submitted a list of (N-1) coaches they refused.
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Mar 20, 2013 14:06
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The tone of this topic is not in line with the civil level of discourse I'd like to maintain here, so I cannot respond.
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Mar 20, 2013 15:10
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this is what happens when we raise snowflakes on ipadsquote:When 13-year-old Tahoe native Logan LaPlant takes the stage for his TEDx talk at the University of Nevada, what follows are 11 minutes of eloquent, confident wisdom on his style of education, which he calls ?hackschooling.? Here’s a sample: give this kid a swirlie asap
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Mar 20, 2013 15:11
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hey tef this is the sort of thing I was talking about re python community and drama tldr apparently some guys at a python conference had a slide with some non-sexist-but-still-sexual nerdjokes about forking and dongles, and not only got thrown out of the conference but got fired from their jobs
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Mar 20, 2013 15:49
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Mar 20, 2013 15:53
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Internaut! posted:hey tef this is the sort of thing I was talking about re python community and drama jesus, toddlers
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Mar 20, 2013 15:54
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Internaut! posted:hey tef this is the sort of thing I was talking about re python community and drama any link to the slide, sort of curious, the internets idea of what is "not sexist" is a funny ol' thing
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:any link to the slide, sort of curious, the internets idea of what is "not sexist" is a funny ol' thing There were no slides, two guys sitting in the audience shared a private joke about "big dongles". They were evesdropped, photographed, publicly shamed and one guy was fired.
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Mar 20, 2013 16:12
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Forking and dongles (as words or puns) do not seem that bad on their own -- at least not worth getting kicked out and losing your job for. There has to be more context or a way that it was done to explain things that wasn't conveyed in the tweet or something. I mean there would be a difference between a manchild chuckling at "male to female connectors" in a discussion about cables and adapters and said manchild turning the discussion in a terribly lovely pick-up line and targeting it at someone, for example.
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Mar 20, 2013 16:29
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Zombywuf posted:There were no slides, two guys sitting in the audience shared a private joke about "big dongles". They were evesdropped, photographed, publicly shamed and one guy was fired. having real trouble caring or being terribly entertained by this story at this rate. conferences is a weird phenomena in tyool 2013.
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Mar 20, 2013 16:29
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never going to a conference in paralyzing fear that i may accidentally let my guard down and not check my privilege
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Mar 20, 2013 16:30
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MononcQc posted:Forking and dongles (as words or puns) do not seem that bad on their own -- at least not worth getting kicked out and losing your job for. There has to be more context or a way that it was done to explain things that wasn't conveyed in the tweet or something. There don't appear to be anyone claiming anything along these lines. All sexual humour at a conference is apparently now verboten in case someone overhears it.
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MononcQc posted:I mean there would be a difference between a manchild chuckling at "male to female connectors" in a discussion about cables and adapters and said manchild turning the discussion in a terribly lovely pick-up line, for example. i really hope that when i move to a bigcity market that it isn't a whole bunch of check-your-privilege sjw tumblrtalk at work, i'm super glad you're a TWoC but i just want to deliver the project. can we chat about your struggles when we're not under deadline
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