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serious gaylord posted:The only change to the trade terms miniwargaming were already signed up to is that they're not allowed to sell outside of their region, or break up box sets and sell things individually like the little rule book. They also capped the number of orders you can actually make as a vendor along with a number of other things. Not saying I disagree with you, but there's more hilarious GW poo poo in the new trade agreements than just those things. e: grammar BULBASAUR fucked around with this message at 08:12 on Mar 21, 2013 |
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BULBASAUR posted:They also capped the number of orders you can actually make as a vendor along with a number of other things. Not saying I disagree with you, but there's more hilarious GW poo poo in the new trade agreements that just those things. yeah, restricting the non core orders to $500 a month is a complete joke.
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Cataphract posted:yeah, restricting the non core orders to $500 a month is a complete joke. What are Non-Core orders?
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JesusIsTehCool posted:Has anyone here actually played on a board like this? I imagine it completely changes the game for the most part. Anything that can fly over those walls just got a WHOLE lot better than they would be in a normal game. I also see some pretty dick moves with drop pods or other large deep striking stuff were you can block up some of those door ways and trap troops in a single room. Pretty cool, but I am not sure I would want to play on that thing regularly There are rules specifically designed for this type of game. They are incredibly fun. They are basically refined rules that were included as part of the "Boarding Actions" from The Imperial Armour Baddab War books. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/z/ZM6thUpdate.pdf Improbable Lobster posted:Is there any fluff behind Zone Mortalis? A board that cool long must have a story behind it. From the first paragraph of the Zone Mortalis rules (linked above): The following rules expansion for Warhammer 40,000 deals with some of the most savage arenas of combat conceivable, the battlefields the Codex Tactica Imperialis refers to as ‘Zone Mortalis’—the fatal ground. Such zones, be they the contested decks of a void warship, tangled mine works, lightless under-hives, the prison-vaults of sundered fortress citadels, labyrinthine industrial sewer systems and sacred catacombs, all have a confluence of factors in common such as close confinement, limited access for attack or escape routes, as well as treacherous environments, which make them murderous venues for warfare. These rules off
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Ghost Hand posted:There are rules specifically designed for this type of game. They are incredibly fun. They are basically refined rules that were included as part of the "Boarding Actions" from The Imperial Armour Baddab War books. Those terrain rules  Seems like infantry's pretty much the way to go. Edit: \/\/\/\/ Looks like 24 tiles. Each tile is 25 pounds. So, 600 pounds. Alternatively, you can get 16 tiles for 350 pounds, and the other 8 for another 200 pounds. So, 550 pounds. There's also a 4 pack for 90 pounds which'd end up at 540 for 24 tiles. But I don't think you get to pick the tiles that way. That's a lot of moon money either way. Safety Factor fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Mar 21, 2013 |
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Seriously though, Ghost Hand, what did that set you back? I'm guessing right around a grand?serious gaylord posted:The only change to the trade terms miniwargaming were already signed up to is that they're not allowed to sell outside of their region, or break up box sets and sell things individually like the little rule book. Not really. I mean they say just as much, that they were basically on their way down anyway but this accelerated their demise by a year or so. Doesn't mean the guy can't call stupid stupid. There's a lot of really lawyerly rear end-backwards thinking in a lot of GW's explanation of this move. The guy presented some pretty fair and high-minded criticism of it. Fix fucked around with this message at 08:35 on Mar 21, 2013 |
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Mar 21, 2013 08:32
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His left kidney- that's how much it set him back. Worth it.
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Mar 21, 2013 08:39
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Fix posted:Seriously though, Ghost Hand, what did that set you back? I'm guessing right around a grand? About $965. Totally worth it. Yearly work bonus, refinance of house, and my car being paid off... plus today being my birthday made it all doable :P
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Mar 21, 2013 08:57
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Wooow. Well, happy birthday, dude.
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Ghost Hand posted:About $965. Totally worth it. Yearly work bonus, refinance of house, and my car being paid off... plus today being my birthday made it all doable :P Hey birthday buddy! My self present this year was warhammer related too, but more fantasy. Got myself a full kit of movement trays from Shogun. They're amazing. I think I'm going to hold off on 40k purchases for a while, I really think I'm about good for a while. Now I just need to get back to building a gaming table. And a place to put it.
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Happy birthday dudes! As to MWG getting out of the miniature sales, I'll miss them. I bought a few things back in the day from them. They gave me candy with every purchase  I'd like to see GW relax and be the better business when it comes to all this nonsense. With the annual price increase coming, I'm not so sure they'll be very popular without a continuous stream of new releases. If they continue to put out more models, more rules, and more supplements to mask the sour taste they're leaving from the business side they'll be fine for another year. Edit: Crosspost of my progress on an amazing non-GW Ork Macho Armor Nob. 
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Mar 21, 2013 09:44
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Egads. I had forgotten the real possibility that there's just a rote yearly price increase now and that's just a thing that an industry-leading business does.
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Mar 21, 2013 09:49
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It's possible they won't, but there is absolutely nothing to stop them. They have no reason to keep the prices where they are.
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Mar 21, 2013 10:10
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Does any of you old-timers know if Forgeworld does a yearly price-hike, same as regular GW?
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Mar 21, 2013 10:40
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Yes, they do. But it's often on certain kits only as prices go up by weird decimal percentages and there seems to be absolutely no real plan or reason for most of the changes. Unpopular kits stay the same or sometimes go down as they are consolidated into packs from single miniatures while very popular kits go up from .50p-£5. Very strange. I'd imagine this year it'll be more uniform seeing as they've started to produce more uniform kits with the same prices. The weapons and accessory kits are a good example as they tend to be a consistent price for variant, but equal, products such as additional weapons, character and squad leader upgrades etc etc - in previous years the Mk4 upgrade sprue might have been say.... a tenner, while the Mk2 might have been fifteen. edit: Holy poo poo what the hell was up with my punctuation? lenoon fucked around with this message at 10:57 on Mar 21, 2013 |
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Mar 21, 2013 10:54
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Ghost Hand posted:What are Non-Core orders? Direct order only items. So nothing that's plastic
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Fix posted:Egads. I had forgotten the real possibility that there's just a rote yearly price increase now and that's just a thing that an industry-leading business does. It's been a yearly trend for a long time now and it's not about to change. Pick anything you think is currently a relatively reasonable price and expect it to go up by £3-5, or $5-10USD, or a small car deposit in Australia.
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I did a thing Tuesday: A 2nd ed 40k game in the original Rogue Trader GM quasi RPG style. Limited wargear, units, points, all the fun none of the cheese. Stock 2nd really was pretty good. The codex and wargear crap is what really hurt it. Ill give a full recapture tonight but in short the IG had 4 injuries, 1 permanent. But they also killed most of the Gretchin in the training scenario. The Space Marines got to torch a single broken Grot hiding in cover. The Guard learned why rolling HIT and MISFIRE are bad things. Next time they get to battle each other for glory. (Then the local Arbite commander rebels and the Fun begins...)
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That's super cool! I would love the chance to play all the old versions just to see how things evolved. But I have a hard enough time getting interest in Blood Bowl and Epic 40K. Here's last night's battle report, Dark Angels running a Banner of Devastation in a Land Raider surrounded by 3 tac squads, versus Space Wolves with Grey Hunters and Long Fangs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOdLnjfnreI I'll be honest, not the greatest game in the world but I'm using a new bit of software so the transitions and captions are at least way way better than before. I'm working on voiceovers and format as well to make them more engaging.
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Ghost Hand posted:Photo of black tar heroin Ghost, I notice its all black and somewhat painted does it come prepainted or preprimed? Also when will you admit on air that you are a totally FWs whore?
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JesusIsTehCool posted:Has anyone here actually played on a board like this? I imagine it completely changes the game for the most part. Anything that can fly over those walls just got a WHOLE lot better than they would be in a normal game. I also see some pretty dick moves with drop pods or other large deep striking stuff were you can block up some of those door ways and trap troops in a single room. Pretty cool, but I am not sure I would want to play on that thing regularly No fliers, no models over 4" wide, so...
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:No fliers, no models over 4" wide, so... All I have to do is blow ~$1000 to make Genestealers good again. 
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Why do you have to spend anything close to that? You can make a similar board with barricades made out of foam board. We play using space hulk tiles and it's very fun. Change your game up. Edit: Hive guard are broken as gently caress on it though, don't take them if you want to avoid ruining hobbies.
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That board makes me want nothing but mawlocks and ymargl stealers. EVERYTHING IS TERRAIN, gently caress YOU!
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Ghost Hand posted:What are Non-Core orders? The guy in the MWG video mentioned that GW had two tiers of products. The popular stuff that they could bulk order like popular box sets and then there are the non core products that they have to order direct, the less popular stuff like resin models. GW is limiting the amount of the non core sets that retailers can order to $500 per month. Apparently MWG gets in $5,000 worth of orders for the non core products a month. End result being that 3rd party retailers are being pushed into a position where they can't make these products available because there's no guarantee that they will be allowed to order enough stock.
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You'd think that GW would want to avoid putting any more restrictions on the throughput, so to speak, of their resin character kits and whatnot. The insane markup on finecast is already enough of an incentive for people to convert their stuff out of plastic or go third party or something. I mean, I get that they're gambling that people will still want to buy their Belial model or whatever and will consequently go direct to GW when their preferred reseller has hit the $500 cap, but every bump they strew in the path of the consumer is an additional cumulative chance for someone to go "gently caress this poo poo."
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But, by their logic, how many kids are going to kitbash/convert/buy someone else's product. They don't give a poo poo about vets, remember? We don't buy anything, or apparently provide anything of value to the hobby! And new players are probably more likely to just buy from GW, especially younger ones who aren't as into the painting or modeling and just want some cool dudes.
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krushgroove posted:That's super cool! I would love the chance to play all the old versions just to see how things evolved. But I have a hard enough time getting interest in Blood Bowl and Epic 40K. That's some fisheye lens. I don't know how I feel about it. It's great at keeping things in focus even close up but you loose a feel for distance and as you sweep across the board things distort and some people can get queasy. Though as I watched I kinda got used to it. Also, the DA player did a Hit and Run after assaulting a vehicle, which he can't. Hit and Run can only be done if you are locked in combat [p38], which you are never locked in combat with a vehicle [p76] (only exception is walkers [p84]). I can see how a RAI argument would say it's silly they can't hit and run from a vehicle where they can versus an infantry squad, but I gotta  edit: page references WhiteOutMouse fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Mar 21, 2013 |
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Man, I wish the Infinity fluff was more exciting, and their models less difficulty to put together, and their rules not google-french. I'd switch in a heartbeat
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Bavius posted:Why do you have to spend anything close to that? You can make a similar board with barricades made out of foam board. We play using space hulk tiles and it's very fun. I prefer these walls personally; made for much less than $1000.00  http://remotepresence.blogspot.com/2011/09/yu-gin-tutorialoject-terrain.html http://remotepresence.blogspot.com/2011/10/terrain-walls-pt-2.html
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Indolent Bastard posted:I prefer these walls personally; made for much less than $1000.00 ed: And electrical tape. Brilliant
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Thundercracker posted:Man, I wish the Infinity fluff was more exciting, and their models less difficulty to put together, and their rules not google-french. I'd switch in a heartbeat If you take the time to read the Infinity fluff and actually get into a series of games that tell a story across multiple missions as opposed to 40k's "Two armies face off against one another in a contest of kill the other guy because the other guy is your enemy for [insert reason here]" you might come to enjoy Infinity much more. Seriously look at the fluff that was posted in the Infinity thread on SA by Pierzak Data Sphere posted:
That and the Campaign Paradiso book adds a lot to the game, and even without it the core books are great on their own. I know we all love the Grim-Dark, but seriously would you ever not want to play on a table like this?  Or this?  With minis like these?       http://www.thewarstore.com/infinity.html http://www.meeplemart.com/search?q=infinity In squad based combat game that requires 8-15 models to play (costing between $80-125 unless you add some of the really big stuff) and takes place in a world full of different races and factions other than aliens and white human males. A game that has monthly model releases, free army builder software, and which don't have faction books to buy over and above the core rule books? Rule books that are in fact free to download from the Infinity site? I don't know about you, but there is a lot to like and help mitigate the relatively minor issues of models that are challenging to assemble and some fluff that simply isn't as well known as 40K's. And yes, every single Infinity player is well aware of the furry-esque and cheesecake aspects of Infinity, which we are (almost) all deeply ashamed and embarrassed of. Then we shake it off and play a fun game of Space Islamics versus Space Scotsmen and have a grand old time, using tight rules that add real drama to the game. Indolent Bastard fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Mar 21, 2013 |
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Infinity has nice models and the fluff is interesting but from everything I've seen or read about it it still doesn't gratify the itch that 40K does with its mix of heroic fantasy/soft sci-fi ("grimdark" if you prefer) and chunky aesthetics. Probably the closest thing you could get to a realistic competitor to the 40k setting is if PP did what GW did 30 years ago and made warmahordes IN SPACE. edit to explain a bit more about why WMH doesn't already scratch the itch for me: I'm a big fan of being able to customize an army within a setting, so things like being able to build my own HQ (or equivalent), my own chapter/warband/whatever, and being able to customize models or easily buy third-party swaps, are all big draws for me. PP is far, far behind on all those things. JerryLee fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Mar 21, 2013 |
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Yep, I find WMH pretty much "Warhammer injected with a large dose of common/business sense". I still wouldn't buy the SF equivalent, most WM minis look ugly to me and the warwarwar grimdark fluff got old about the same time I stopped listening to metal. But if some people continue to like it, who am I to question different tastes? They are stupid tastes
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Bavius posted:Edit: Crosspost of my progress on an amazing non-GW Ork Macho Armor Nob. I've never seen that model before. Who sells it? Are there enough for a squad of 5 without repeats? EDIT: Indolent Bastard posted:I prefer these walls personally; made for much less than $1000.00 I know the guys who run that blog. Awesome people, and drat good modelers.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I've never seen that model before. Who sells it? Are there enough for a squad of 5 without repeats? It's from Kromlech, they make fantastic Ork addons and models. You can get a squad of three for around $60 with shipping. They come with 5 heads, 6 arms (I just love the drill though), 3 torsos, and 3 legs. You could model up a much more distinctive force than the metal ones GW puts out but if you want kombi weapons you'll have to modify the arms. Indolent Bastard posted:And yes, every single Infinity player is well aware of the furry-esque and cheesecake aspects of Infinity, which we are (almost) all deeply ashamed and embarrassed of. Then we shake it off and play a fun game of Space Islamics versus Space Scotsmen and have a grand old time, using tight rules that add real drama to the game. I don't give two shits about idiots in the hobby, so long as they stay away - 40k has it's share of weird and socially awkward people. What it boils down to is "Where can I play this? Who can I play it with?" GW has done a great job of saturating the market. I can find games of Warmahordes but I've yet to see anyone play Infinity locally. Maybe one day I will give in to yet another game system, but not just yet.
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Ezekiel_980 posted:Ghost, I notice its all black and somewhat painted does it come prepainted or preprimed? Also when will you admit on air that you are a totally FWs whore? The resin they use is black. It's very hard - much like the Realm of Battle Battleboard. Incredibuly durable. It still needs to be washed prior to painting. Bavius posted:
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The Infinity minis do absolutely nothing for me. Its a shame that GW pump out such good models.
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PierreTheMime posted:All I have to do is blow ~$1000 to make Genestealers good again. You think Genestealers are good? Imagine how wraiths are going to perform on a board like this where they get to ignore the walls as long as they dont stop in them...
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Limp Wristed Limey posted:The Infinity minis do absolutely nothing for me. Its a shame that GW pump out such good models. This is exactly the same reason I'm completely apathetic towards infinity, Models are just very uninteresting. I think Warmachine models are ok looking and picked up a two player starter to give it a go just have to build the models at some point.
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