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Mar 22, 2013 23:04
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Fat Ogre posted:The best part about that is, the vikings don't care about being liars to Christians. Odin's blood brother is Loki the master of lies. Loki used lies to win all sorts of poo poo for the Gods all the time. This is true. From Hvaml, a collection of Odin quotes: quote:45
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Mar 23, 2013 00:10
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I didn't have very high hopes initially, but this show is pretty great even if I have to wait for it to air on TV to watch it. In particular, the raid on the monastery where they so easily broke down the gate and sort of took their time strolling in wasn't what I was expecting at all, and was a lot better for it. My only complaint is that I'm just bored to death by the Jarl drama. "Oh geez, he is threatening Ragnar again and he took all their treasure and now he is having a child killed.  " The Jarl just seems like such a one dimensional Evil Guy that I just can't care, but at least it seems like they are building up to him going too far and being taken out.
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Mar 23, 2013 21:42
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Fat Ogre posted:The best part about that is, the vikings don't care about being liars to Christians. Odin's blood brother is Loki the master of lies. Loki used lies to win all sorts of poo poo for the Gods all the time. Yep, a lot of Viking traders agreed to be baptized whenever they entered a Christian town since they usually got some nice poo poo for it and it made trading easier, I don't know if they converted to Islam as well for easier trading but I doubt it since I can't imagine that they would be cool with the whole circumcision thing. I quite like the show but I sure hope that Ragnar just kills the Jarl soon since the idiocy of the Jarl is getting really tiresome and his "plotting" is taking time away from Ragnar being awesome.
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Mar 23, 2013 23:48
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Just caught up with all the episodes and echoing what everyone else has said here. Ragnar is a great protagonist and is played with just enough cockiness to make him lovable but not obnoxious and Lagertha is beautiful and bad-rear end. But also agreeing that Jarl is just an awful character. He's lacking the believably of say.. Spartacus's Batiatus who did horrible things, but was so well written that you understood his logic behind his most awful of choices, and yet Jarl's "evilness" feels incredibly by-the-numbers, ("welp! we better have him murder an innocent child I guess..."), that he never hits Game of Thrones Joffery levels where you get immersed in his character by how reprehensible he is. Whoever compared him to Wile E Coyote is right because he has all the depth and cunning of a Looney Tunes character and I wouldn't be surprised if Ragnar gives him a giant smooch on the lips and runs off as the series progresses.
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Mar 24, 2013 06:18
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Mucktron posted:But also agreeing that Jarl is just an awful character. He's lacking the believably of say.. Spartacus's Batiatus who did horrible things, but was so well written that you understood his logic behind his most awful of choices, and yet Jarl's "evilness" feels incredibly by-the-numbers, ("welp! we better have him murder an innocent child I guess..."), that he never hits Game of Thrones Joffery levels where you get immersed in his character by how reprehensible he is. It could go some way if Jarl would start giving us status reports of the positioning of Odin's cock in relation to his rear end, though. pigdog fucked around with this message at 10:32 on Mar 24, 2013 |
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Mar 24, 2013 10:28
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This show is very entertaining, I just wish they wouldn't give me a sneak peak of what will happen during the next segment in the commercials, like some lovely reality show.
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Mar 25, 2013 03:41
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What time are they putting up ep 5? I noticed they took the 4th episode down from the website.
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Mar 25, 2013 04:19
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My history knowledge is not so great - why were they calling the English people Saxons? I thought Saxons were from Lower Saxony, Germany, ie Vikings.
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Mar 25, 2013 12:01
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leidend posted:My history knowledge is not so great - why were they calling the English people Saxons? I thought Saxons were from Lower Saxony, Germany, ie Vikings. Saxons, along with Angles, Frisians and Jutes, invaded or migrated to the island of Great Britain (Britannia) around the time of the collapse of Roman authority in the west. Saxon raiders had been harassing the eastern and southern shores of Britannia for centuries before, prompting the construction of a string of coastal forts called the Litora Saxonica or Saxon Shore, and many Saxons and other folk had been permitted to settle in these areas as farmers long before the end of Roman rule in Britannia. Not to be that guy, but that answer was googled by typing three words man.
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Mar 25, 2013 12:03
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Space Pussy posted:What time are they putting up ep 5? I noticed they took the 4th episode down from the website. Episode 4 is back up, but when do we get 5 
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Mar 25, 2013 12:32
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Iseeyouseemeseeyou posted:Episode 4 is back up, but when do we get 5 Is there a set day that they release these on the site? I literally have no idea when this show actually airs, but I kind of enjoy the mystery.
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Mar 25, 2013 12:35
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Vikings or Danes came from Sweden, Norway and probably Finland, eventually down into what is now Denmark, then Juteland, Occupided by the Jutes. Germany was covered by the franks, Saxons, Angles, Thuringians, Burgundians, Lombards and Vandals. Some true barbarian tribes and some not so barbarian these pages are worth a read if your interested, it shows the Migration of the various tribes of Europe and Eurasia, you can the eventual break up and settling of tribes to make up the national identity of the areas in eastern europe, and probably why such fierce rivalry exists today, it goes back to before the fall of the western roman empire. Riveting stuff actually. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_migration#Migrations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_Period 
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Mar 25, 2013 12:37
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Rocksicles posted:Occupided by the Jutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVjbf-dHjW0 Praying to Odin that this is how Jutes is pronounced.
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Mar 25, 2013 12:41
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Conquistador posted:Is there a set day that they release these on the site? I literally have no idea when this show actually airs, but I kind of enjoy the mystery. just turns up whenever it feels like, and fucks up your plans... Kinda like the Vikings.
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Mar 25, 2013 12:57
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They should slip some cash to a dude who controls the emergency broadcast and invade all TVs simultaneously in true Viking fashion
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Mar 25, 2013 13:01
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Conquistador posted:Saxons, along with Angles, Frisians and Jutes, invaded or migrated to the island of Great Britain (Britannia) around the time of the collapse of Roman authority in the west. Saxon raiders had been harassing the eastern and southern shores of Britannia for centuries before, prompting the construction of a string of coastal forts called the Litora Saxonica or Saxon Shore, and many Saxons and other folk had been permitted to settle in these areas as farmers long before the end of Roman rule in Britannia. That didn't answer my question and I did try to find the answer myself. I guess the answer is that the "Englishmen" that Ragnar was stealing from and murdering were viking/Germanic tribes that had settled a long time ago? Why else would they be called Saxons? But I thought the whole idea of the story was that Ragnar was the first to go west.
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Mar 25, 2013 13:02
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Germanic =/ Viking E: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_peoples#Migration_Period Tom Brady fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Mar 25, 2013 |
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Mar 25, 2013 13:05
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Conquistador posted:Germanic =/ Viking I didn't mean to imply they were one and the same. But, in essence, it was vikings attacking the descendants of a Germanic tribe in England?
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Mar 25, 2013 13:07
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leidend posted:I didn't mean to imply they were one and the same. Yep, that is somewhat accurate anyway. That article I linked is pretty good in general, not necessarily just the part I singled out.
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Mar 25, 2013 13:10
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The Angles had North england, the saxons has southern england (hence Anglo-Saxon) like 300 years before the show is set, over that time they had become a group of kingdoms the Tribe element didn't last very long as the all merged and fought over territory, the got Kings, and nobility and Religion.
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Mar 25, 2013 13:12
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One reason I like this show is that I ended up reading tangentially related stuff in history because of it. Wikipedia is dangerous for that poo poo man, I started off reading about that island they invaded and I forget where I ended up but I think I treked over to the Ottoman Empire...
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Mar 25, 2013 13:14
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leidend posted:That didn't answer my question and I did try to find the answer myself. Some centuries after the show, the danes will basically try do the same to the saxons.
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Mar 25, 2013 13:15
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According to Rome, wouldn't England have been just a bunch of Celts prior to the Germanic tribes migrating down? (By which time Rome was already very much on the decline)
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Mar 25, 2013 13:16
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Conquistador posted:One reason I like this show is that I ended up reading tangentially related stuff in history because of it. Wikipedia is dangerous for that poo poo man, I started off reading about that island they invaded and I forget where I ended up but I think I treked over to the Ottoman Empire... Yeah I'm just on the Ostrogoths and reading towards the fall of the western empire. My woman is learning it because i'm telling her and i'm wrecking her head.
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Mar 25, 2013 13:29
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leidend posted:That didn't answer my question and I did try to find the answer myself. As other people have said, the Angles and the Saxons took control of England (Angle-land) hundreds of years before the show is set. Saxons at the time came from the Northwestern Coast of Germany, and the Angles were from the Baltic. They had a similar culture to the Danes but were not vikings. The "English" in the show would consider themselves Saxons because 1) they were probably at least part Saxon still, 2) the Saxons had been in control of England for 350 years and continued to call themselves and their subjects Saxons. At that point they weren't much like their ancestors anymore though, kind of like how you probably aren't very similar to your ancestors from 350 years ago. The whole idea of the story is that Ragnar is the first Scandinavian to go west.
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Mar 25, 2013 14:27
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canuckanese posted:aren't very similar to your ancestors from 350 years ago. Pfft, I'm a dead ringer for Hernan Cortez
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Mar 25, 2013 14:31
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canuckanese posted:As other people have said, the Angles and the Saxons took control of England (Angle-land) hundreds of years before the show is set. Saxons at the time came from the Northwestern Coast of Germany, and the Angles were from the Baltic. They had a similar culture to the Danes but were not vikings. The "English" in the show would consider themselves Saxons because 1) they were probably at least part Saxon still, 2) the Saxons had been in control of England for 350 years and continued to call themselves and their subjects Saxons. At that point they weren't much like their ancestors anymore though, kind of like how you probably aren't very similar to your ancestors from 350 years ago. except the timeline is out and he didn't go west until way after the first landing.
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Mar 25, 2013 14:45
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Nektu posted:He is supposed to be the first dane to go west. The saxons invaded and settled "england" (there was no england at that time) before the timeframe of the show, displacing/killing/mingeling with the natives. Yeah in beginning the Vikings were mainly interested in plunder and prestige from military accomplishments, but eventually did massive full-scale invasions of places such as Ireland. Either they ended up culturally assimilated such as the Rus/Normans or in the case of the Danes eventually driven out once the locals got a effective military leader.
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Mar 25, 2013 14:48
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Rus/Normans? The Normans were Danish Viking raiders who settled in northern france and were given land to stop the fighting. Eventually mutating with the frogs and becoming Normans,
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Mar 25, 2013 14:56
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Rocksicles posted:except the timeline is out and he didn't go west until way after the first landing. Yes, I've pointed that out before. In the context of the show, which is what we're talking about, he's supposed to be the first Scandinavian.
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Mar 25, 2013 15:02
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The Rus were Northmen (mainly Swedes) who went East in to Russia via the Volga and founded a kingdom. "Rus" is believed to come from the Norse word to row. They ruled over the native Slavs and were eventually culturally and linguistically assimilated. The Rus kingdom was one of several (lovely) reasons the Germans used to justify their race war on the Eastern Front in WW2. Anti-Hero fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Mar 25, 2013 |
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Mar 25, 2013 15:03
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ahh yeah my bad, i missed that reference. Some big brains in here, The other TV forum i'm a member of and discussing this is full of dunderheads. Rocksicles fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Mar 25, 2013 |
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Mar 25, 2013 15:04
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leidend posted:But I thought the whole idea of the story was that Ragnar was the first to go west. Well the Angles and Saxons went North, not West.
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Mar 25, 2013 15:05
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Rocksicles posted:Eventually mutating with the frogs and becoming Normans, At first I took this literally and I don't think I could accurately describe my excitement. Then, welp.
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Mar 25, 2013 15:07
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Conquistador posted:At first I took this literally and I don't think I could accurately describe my excitement. Then, welp. 
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Mar 25, 2013 15:16
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Hahah yay. Did you google viking frog or something?
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Mar 25, 2013 15:17
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Thats a dead ringer for my ancestors... so im told.
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Mar 25, 2013 15:17
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 Haha, well, googling viking frog does yield what you posted as the first result so I guess so. There are also a lot more viking frogs than I thought there would be.
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Mar 25, 2013 15:20
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Vikings thread turns into something from Mr Toad's wild ride combined with Lemmiwinks....gotta love goons.
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