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Crackbone posted:I don't think any of the three look particularly bad. The Batman costume has a nice Arkham Asylum/City paramilitary vibe without going full-tilt realism, and it doesn't quite look like a rubber suit.
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Wolverine trailer is in 2 days, but here's a small glimpse: I, for one, look forward to the days when films (and film trailers) are shot in that strange vertical-iPhone aspect ratio.
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TheJoker138 posted:I still really like that Catwoman porn costume, and if you just put some loving pants on her that Wonder Woman one is streets ahead of the one they had in the actual Wonder Woman pilot from a year back. Why is everyone obsessed about loving pants for Wonder Woman? On this single issue everyone devolves to the sensibilities of their grandparents (really, worse than their grandparents) and it becomes scandalous for a heroine to appear in public with bared legs. People give less of a poo poo about Black Canary and she wears fishnets, for heaven's sake. And given her deep conceptual ties and backstory connections with ancient Greece, anything like pants or a bodysuit (like what was tried with that terrible Emma Peel makeover in the sixties) would be much more ill-fitting than her traditional attire. McSpanky fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Mar 25, 2013 |
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Mar 25, 2013 21:01
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It's not so much that and more that she is wearing the outfit of a stripper. There have been pantsless, Greek-themed redesigns of the character that look great and less like she's about to pop out of a cake on the 4th of July.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's not so much that and more that she is wearing the outfit of a stripper. There have been pantsless, Greek-themed redesigns of the character that look great and less like she's about to pop out of a cake on the 4th of July. That's a tired argument that could apply to virtually any comic book character, male or female, based on the common "color a nude figure" art paradigm, and on most 'faithful' real costumes attempting to replicate it. Even Fredric Wertham's infamous attack on capes as sexual mind poison for children didn't go for that low-hanging fruit. (Instead he attacked creator William Moulson's fairly obvious bondage themes, as well as towing the common line of the time that a strong, independent woman obviously must be a lesbian and not simply a role model.) Not saying I wouldn't mind a costume with more Greek accents or more of a battle armor theme, but at the same time, Wonder Woman appeared on Ms. magazine's inaugural and 40th anniversary issues in that costume.
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It can be both low hanging fruit and a really tacky design that's always looked ridiculous.
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Mar 25, 2013 21:37
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McSpanky posted:That's a tired argument that could apply to virtually any comic book character, male or female, based on the common "color a nude figure" art paradigm, and on most 'faithful' real costumes attempting to replicate it. Even Fredric Wertham's infamous attack on capes as sexual mind poison for children didn't go for that low-hanging fruit. (Instead he attacked creator William Moulson's fairly obvious bondage themes, as well as towing the common line of the time that a strong, independent woman obviously must be a lesbian and not simply a role model.) She wore a skirt back then:  The top also covers her breasts. Even if we don't agree on pants, surely they can give her straps so she doesn't fall out every time she jumps?  I really don't understand why there's a controversy over giving heroes something more than underwear.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It can be both low hanging fruit and a really tacky design that's always looked ridiculous. Well, in that case: I shall not have you sully that good fictional lady's choice of fine adventuring fashion, good sah. I challenge you to DIGITAL FISTICUFFS FOR HER ELECTRONIC HONOUR.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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AGirlWonder posted:She wore a skirt back then: George Perez also drew a pretty good one-piece that didn't look like it'd fall out, and the non-covered bottom has gone from 80s high-riding bathing suit to daisy dukes to bicycle shorts, but I like the skirt/loincloth look too. It's evolved nearly as much as Batman's appearance has over the years. And sure, straps would be fine on a real person, probably even necessary if they didn't want to do some horribly uncomfortable poo poo to the stunt doubles. And that Adrienne Palicki version is pretty much the worst thing that happens when you try to stay too close to the comics. Somewhere in BSS I even proposed that Wonder Woman should use multiple outfits ranging from her classic look to Greek togas to both ceremonial and functional battle armor, because unlike most heroes her work is about far more than just punching bad guys hard and she should have attire to match. I realize this is dangerously close to Barbie doll dress-up territory, but it's really about her incredibly versatile character and the unique place in the DC universe she inhabits -- she's an ambassador, advocate and liaison on top of an adventurer and superhero. Indiana Jones didn't wear the same clothes to teach and to beat up Nazis, right? McSpanky fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Mar 25, 2013 |
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Mar 25, 2013 21:58
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Indiana Jones is wearing clothes in the first place. *bowtie spin*
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Wonder Woman's outfit is loving terrible. Black Canary's fishnets outfit is also loving terrible. If you're seriously arguing "well no comic book outfit is realistic, even the ones the guys wear!" to this then I have to wonder if you know the difference between men and women in this context. Men with giant bulging muscles in outfits showing them off is a male fantasy. Women in tiny little outfits with their tits and rear end hanging out is...also a male fantasy. There is absolutely no reason for an Amazon warrior to be wearing a bondage top and booty shorts. It doesn't HAVE to be pants, but maybe make it so she's not dressed up like a stripper on the fourth of July. This is a design I've always enjoyed for her:
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I'd like to see Wonder Woman wear less clothes, because I like to look at women naked, or in a state close to naked. Also, I would like to see Wonder Woman brutally take down a room full of dudes, because she is a badass. Are these two opinions reconcilable? I feel that strength and nudity combined reveal the art of the human form.
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Rhyno posted:I'm pretty sure he'll be Batroc. Haha, George St Pierres was just cast http://www.slashfilm.com/ufc-champion-georges-st-pierre-joining-captain-america-the-winter-soldier/
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TheJoker138 posted:Wonder Woman's outfit is loving terrible. Black Canary's fishnets outfit is also loving terrible. If you're seriously arguing "well no comic book outfit is realistic, even the ones the guys wear!" to this then I have to wonder if you know the difference between men and women in this context. Men with giant bulging muscles in outfits showing them off is a male fantasy. Women in tiny little outfits with their tits and rear end hanging out is...also a male fantasy. There is absolutely no reason for an Amazon warrior to be wearing a bondage top and booty shorts. It doesn't HAVE to be pants, but maybe make it so she's not dressed up like a stripper on the fourth of July. This is a design I've always enjoyed for her: I actually agree with you about that look, but the I HATE EVERYTHING THAT SHOWS A MILLIMETER OF CLEAVAGE/BOOTY WE MUST PROTECT FEMININE VIRTUE  routine makes you sound like exactly the hypersensitive ubernerds that bleats the loudest about sexism around the corner of every page with a woman not dressed like Xena or a Navy SEAL, while not nearly as much attention is given to those little white bubbles on the other side of the panel with the funny scribbles in them. We get it, there's male gaze in an industry long dominated by men and which prospers... or these days, barely scrapes by... on the dollars of (man)children. Be that as it may, more change would and has been wrought in much more substantial ways by addressing the words on the page than the hem lines of the costumes.I realize this seems like a huge goalpost shift, but not as much as you'd think. Costume changes and character changes often go hand in hand, and guess which ones people cared more about? Actually, that's a trick question, read on: In the sixties, DC tried both depowering Wonder Woman and making her a martial arts-enabled super spy, while also changing her costume to a striped catsuit-like ensemble, latching on to the popularity of 60s mod action heroines like Emma Peel in the Avengers TV series. The biggest backlash was from feminists of the era, who saw her depowering as a literal loss of her feminine power and her new costume as a symbolic loss of her feminine identity as a woman comfortable in her sexuality and not afraid to enjoy her beauty on her own terms. DC made the change precise to appeal to feminists, thinking they were changing her to emulate popular female role models of the time, but it grievously backfired and was quickly reversed. A similar change a couple of years ago was met with similarly negative results, including a rather unfavorable review from no less than Gloria Steinem herself, and was again quietly abandoned. Your righteous rage may not be as heroic as it seems at first pass. scary ghost dog posted:I'd like to see Wonder Woman wear less clothes, because I like to look at women naked, or in a state close to naked. Also, I would like to see Wonder Woman brutally take down a room full of dudes, because she is a badass. Are these two opinions reconcilable? I feel that strength and nudity combined reveal the art of the human form. Diana: Goddess of the Arena? If DC had a MAX-style print that could conceivably happen. (MAX is Marvel's "hard R" line, where for example, Punisher can happily blow gangstes' brains out without cutaways, or Wolverine can say "gently caress" a lot and gut things that aren't robots or alien monsters. And sometimes boobies happen.) McSpanky fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Mar 25, 2013 |
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gently caress, doublepost
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Dacap posted:Haha, George St Pierres was just cast This is close to the greatest thing I have ever read. He injured his achilles tendon training for his last title defense and is expected to be out at least 6 months so I guess he has time to act.
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McSpanky posted:I actually agree with you about that look, but the I HATE EVERYTHING THAT SHOWS A MILLIMETER OF CLEAVAGE/BOOTY WE MUST PROTECT FEMININE VIRTUE So sexism, male gaze, objectification of women is a serious problem, but it's not a big deal because WW was a spy once? The fact that the WW spy concept bombed doesn't mean what you think it means. I have no idea what the quality of the material was, so I can't comment on that, but ANY change from the sexist status quo generally hurts the industry because of fanwank. Case in point: they gave Wonder woman pants in the new 52 and the outcry was apparently so huge they reverted back to a bikini. Just because (some) comic fans are misogynists doesn't mean it's healthy or acceptable to cater to them. Crackbone fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Mar 25, 2013 |
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scary ghost dog posted:I'd like to see Wonder Woman wear less clothes, because I like to look at women naked, or in a state close to naked. Also, I would like to see Wonder Woman brutally take down a room full of dudes, because she is a badass. Are these two opinions reconcilable? I feel that strength and nudity combined reveal the art of the human form. It's completely possible to draw a nude badass woman. Here's an example:  http://i.imgur.com/vIkYSwe.jpgIt's just this weird thing Americans have that you can't have nudity with your superheroes which is the complete opposite of what I grew up with it: http://i.imgur.com/Ynj7xCM.jpgI think superhero comics would benefit from allowing some nudity, at least that would be more honest than what we have now.
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Wonder Woman's titty/bikini costume is stupid as poo poo because there's no reason an Amazon would be wearing it. It's sexy just for the sake of being sexy. If you don't get that I don't know what to say to you. E: There's also not a lot of "rage" coming from me here. I just think it's a super dumb costume designed to pander to the worst nerds, who are kind of some of the worst people in general. Vince MechMahon fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Mar 25, 2013 |
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Crackbone posted:So sexism, male gaze, objectification of women is a serious problem, but it's not a big deal because WW was a spy once? The fact that the WW spy concept bombed doesn't mean what you think it means. I have no idea what the quality of the material was, so I can't comment on that, but ANY change from the sexist status quo generally hurts the industry because of fanwank. Case in point: they gave Wonder woman pants and the outcry was so huge they reverted back to a bikini. You'll forgive me for not going into an enormous history of comics tirade, I know the depowering incident was more complex than that, but the other reasons for its failure are immaterial to this conversation. And I did mention that exact "case in point" incident, WW's big change in 2010 that got her the "biker" look and totally ruined her background and powers. The nerd bitching happened and for the predictable reasons, but feminists had their say as well. Multiple people can have multiple opinions on the same event!  Here, try skimming this:Gloria Steinem posted:There are at least two things about the Wonder Woman change that are in the Olympics of blunders. This was from an e-mail she sent to the AP, and it was reblogged and tweeted all over feminist resources at the time. Somehow I doubt that had no effect whatsoever. Also, that story was seriously lame and the first writer pulled out halfway through it to leave someone else with the mess, it was gonna get reversed sooner or later. Just because male gaze is a thing and most hardcore comic fans are scum of the earth doesn't mean they get to dictate the terms of the conversation. If comics are to grow (back) up as a medium and an industry, they have to stop listening to the sexist fanwank. Part of that is ignoring their arguments, even if sometimes they arrive at the same conclusions. If both a fanboy and a female fan tell you they like Wonder Woman's bikini costume, you don't change it to spite the fanboy and lose both customers. Now changing it to something the female fan likes but the fanboy doesn't is the ideal solution, but those hamfisted lamebrains at DC can barely manage to put out five good books a month out of 60, so don't hold your breath. Though by some miracle of the gods' favor, WW is currently one of them. 
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Alhazred posted:It's completely possible to draw a nude badass woman. Here's an example: Marvel/DC in general still have a problem with drawing every female in contrived cheesecake poses (see: Hawkeye Initiative). Letting them show tits is really not a positive step in current context.
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Crackbone posted:Marvel/DC in general still have a problem with drawing every female in contrived cheesecake poses (see: Hawkeye Initiative). Letting them show tits is really not a positive step in current context. Would this be a bad time to invoke the recent Catwoman reboot? 
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McSpanky posted:Would this be a bad time to invoke the recent Catwoman reboot? It's always a bad time to do that.
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McSpanky posted:Would this be a bad time to invoke the recent Catwoman reboot? Any day that ends in "y" is a bad time to bring up the New 52 Catwoman.
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McSpanky posted:Would this be a bad time to invoke the recent Catwoman reboot? Is that where the infamous condom full of "diamonds" picture comes from?
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The new Catwoman makes me feel sad for Guillem March. He's not a bad artist and gets that the poses and costumes in superhero comics are bullshit: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ttwl1rkK3xc/T39sCR_Uu-I/AAAAAAAAAoc/3wTLS6xU5TU/s640/blogger-image-706505703.jpg So I lay the fault squarely on DC.
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I personally think that Wonder Woman should be flushed and she's carrying too much poo poo from her original creation for her to actually be meaningful in the ways Superman and Batman are now. Writers get supes and bats. Her name is stupid, her lasso is stupid, her bracelets are stupid, her origin as a clay doll is stupid, her costume and its colors are stupid, everything about her is confusing and lame and does not present some kind of archetypical idea of the female mythical hero or whatever they're going for. Bats and Supes evolved to better find what kind of fantasies they best appealed to and are now firmly rooted there. Wonder woman is a loving mess, and don't tell me "the new 52 comics are good" because I doubt that on their own they'll bring her to where she needs to be. And I'm not buying those no matter what, marvel and dc comics need to die for the benefit of everyone. And I think that she's not going to mean anything unless they make her a meaningful positive fantasy for young women who have ambitions and who are constantly put down because of stupid poo poo from society. There's more to issues than "women can be heros too" now that we have conservatives constantly spewing poo poo about how women should just let themselves lie back and get raped and have the kid from it. It's now only slightly hyperbole. We don't need Whedon. Problem is that anyone who could actually think about how to put such a hero back in the consciousness is either not at a position of power, not able to get dumb executives to listen to them, or is aware enough to be past the entire juvenile fantasy of super/action heros.
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For serious though, the new Wonder Woman comics are drat good. Also I don't think power bracelets or the name "Wonder Woman" are any stupider than bat-shaped boomerangs or the name "Superman." I'd like to see an rear end-kicking Wonder Woman movie starring Gina Carano. That one throwaway line in Haywire had to make some producer's ears perk up somewhere. Uncle Boogeyman fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Mar 25, 2013 |
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LtKenFrankenstein posted:For serious though, the new Wonder Woman comics are drat good. Also I don't think power bracelets or the name "Wonder Woman" are any stupider than bat-shaped boomerangs or the name "Superman." The new Wonder Woman series is the first time I've ever given a poo poo about Wonder Woman. It's also the only good comic that DC still produces.
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Deadpool posted:The new Wonder Woman series is the first time I've ever given a poo poo about Wonder Woman. It's also the only good comic that DC still produces. Batwoman has been really good, although ironically enough it's guest-starred Wonder Woman for the last six or so issues.
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Crackbone posted:Is that where the infamous condom full of "diamonds" picture comes from? What the gently caress is this?
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Here's a better look at two of the new Iron Man armors 
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PriorMarcus posted:What the gently caress is this? 
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I am so sorry.
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Dacap posted:Here's a better look at two of the new Iron Man armors Iron Man 3 looks toyetic as gently caress even by superhero movie standards.
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...of SCIENCE! posted:Iron Man 3 looks toyetic as gently caress even by superhero movie standards. Which is kind of funny because the new toy line is being blasted for it's low quality.
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