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prefect posted:how about groovy or c# scripting? groovy is ok in moderation, but its too easy to abuse. idk whats out there for c# scripting languages.
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Zombywuf posted:Python. I miss inline regexes and the fact that the batteries are not included. Python's batteries are like iPhone batteries, you can't replace them. python is poo poo but this is just as stupid a complaint as when people make it about the iphone. probably doubly so because it's a hamhanded metaphor
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Mar 26, 2013 17:14
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python is for people who have to be different and enjoy the pain of everything not being as good as it is in java/c#. the pain means they're still alive
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Mar 26, 2013 17:14
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Shaggar posted:groovy is ok in moderation, but its too easy to abuse. idk whats out there for c# scripting languages. http://www.csscript.net/ i'm hoping i can use this to get my team away from an attempted powershell takeover
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Mar 26, 2013 17:15
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Shaggar posted:python is for people who have to be different and enjoy the pain of everything not being as good as it is in java/c#. the pain means they're still alive you heard it here first: use java if you want to die
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Mar 26, 2013 17:23
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I will only use Java after I have died.
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Mar 26, 2013 17:28
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Zombywuf posted:I will only use Java after I have died. so you anticipate hell?
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Mar 26, 2013 17:30
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use <language I use> for maximum ownage imo
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Mar 26, 2013 17:38
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Otto Skorzeny posted:so you anticipate hell? I see Java as more of a limbo state. Endlessly typing code into a void. Never to accomplish anything.
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Mar 26, 2013 17:38
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Lol@modifying @! without localizing it... I mean lol@the programmer who has to figure out why @! doesn't hold what it's supposed to in 3 years
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Mar 26, 2013 17:46
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Mr Dog posted:it's ok guys, regexes are now a thing in every real programming language, you can stop using perl now.
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Mar 26, 2013 18:16
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Jerry SanDisky posted:use <language I use> for maximum ownage imo sorry my bad *voluntarily uses language that I utterly hate*
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Mar 26, 2013 18:16
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Yeah I could get away with pcre if I was a cj and didn't need advanced features
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Mar 26, 2013 18:33
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Shaggar posted:groovy is ok in moderation, but its too easy to abuse. idk whats out there for c# scripting languages. there used to be "boo" and "nemerle" but afaik like all .net open sores projects, they withered and died peak .net open sores optimism was like 2005. back then i would actively hack on mono and work on cross-platform .net code in my spare time. what a waste.
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Mar 26, 2013 18:48
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:there used to be "boo" and "nemerle" but afaik like all .net open sores projects, they withered and died is mono no longer A Thing?
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Mar 26, 2013 19:20
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prefect posted:is mono no longer A Thing? mono is a decent clr and some mono sourced projects are useful in C# on windows but that's about it i would never target mono if i wanted my poo poo to run on anything more than my own linux hoopty
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Mar 26, 2013 19:26
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Dear Eclipse, you suck.
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Mar 26, 2013 20:02
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lol you use eclipse
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Mar 26, 2013 20:05
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eclipse owns
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Mar 26, 2013 20:07
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prefect posted:is mono no longer A Thing? Xamarin sells a lot of stuff.
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Mar 26, 2013 20:08
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eclipse owns its users
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Mar 26, 2013 20:08
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I wish visual studio's auto-complete was as good as eclipse's
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Mar 26, 2013 20:09
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eclipse auto complete: well judging by the lhs there are only a certain number of things you could be asking for and you've typed the letter 'a' so that narrows it down to these 2 things and one of them is named slightly like the lhs so i'll pick that one first. visual studio auto complete: you typed the letter 'a' so heres litterally everything I could find in all of your references and code that starts with 'a'
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Mar 26, 2013 20:11
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eclipse autocomplete works good in EPIC too! 
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Mar 26, 2013 20:29
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gently caress languages where autocomplete is an important feature. if the IDE can guess it, it's lovely boilerplate that shouldn't be in the code
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Mar 26, 2013 20:34
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hepatizon posted:gently caress languages where autocomplete is an important feature. if the IDE can guess it, it's lovely boilerplate that shouldn't be in the code
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Mar 26, 2013 20:51
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RubyMine is proof that Ruby is enterprise boilerplate garbage.
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Mar 26, 2013 20:55
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hepatizon posted:if the IDE can guess it, it's lovely boilerplate that shouldn't be in the code "I want my code to be lovely enough to read that programs have a hard time doing it"
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Mar 26, 2013 21:02
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Can we talk about Borland C++ Builder and the VCL for a minute? Not Delphi though because pascal is dumb,
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Mar 26, 2013 21:06
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MononcQc posted:"I want my code to be lovely enough to read that programs have a hard time doing it" i'm not sure what your point is. if some code is too boring (obvious, trivial, predictable) for a human to manually write, necessitating autocomplete, it's definitely too boring for a human to read, and serves no purpose no IDE is smart enough to write meaningful code. at best, it can help you obscure your code's meaning with boilerplate hepatizon fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Mar 26, 2013 |
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Mar 26, 2013 21:20
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This object only has one method beginning with this sequence of characters, time to refactor and add some more to keep things interesting.
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Mar 26, 2013 21:26
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vector.size()? Too obvious... there most be something more sinister afoot 
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Mar 26, 2013 21:28
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libcxx posted:vector.size()? Too obvious... there most be something more sinister afoot this post brought to you by autocomplete
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Mar 26, 2013 21:30
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hepatizon posted:gently caress languages where autocomplete is an important feature. if the IDE can guess it, it's lovely boilerplate that shouldn't be in the code lol
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Mar 26, 2013 21:31
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MononcQc posted:"I want my code to be lovely enough to read that programs have a hard time doing it" examples of this include every p language and html
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Mar 26, 2013 21:31
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libcxx posted:vector.size()? Too obvious... there most be something more sinister afoot whose lovely rereg are you
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Mar 26, 2013 21:32
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hepatizon posted:i'm not sure what your point is. if some code is too boring (obvious, trivial, predictable) for a human to manually write, necessitating autocomplete, it's definitely too boring for a human to read, and serves no purpose The effort required when writing =/= the effort required when reading. If you ever wrote a few scribbles and keywords on paper thinking you'd totally remember it in the future and then you found out you didn't, that's what happens there. Sometimes being a bit more verbose and explicit means you spend more time when writing, but save everybody time when reading. This isn't a blank check for verbosity, though. hepatizon posted:no IDE is smart enough to write meaningful code. at best, it can help you obscure your code's meaning with boilerplate You'd be surprised how many people are not smart enough to write meaningful code either. At best, an IDE might give them consistency and still help understandability. That being said, I myself prefer not to run with an IDE and go the sperg way with vim. Doesn't mean there isn't an argument to be made in favour of IDEs. Edit: to match your edit. MononcQc fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Mar 26, 2013 |
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Mar 26, 2013 21:34
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libcxx posted:vector.size()? Too obvious... there most be something more sinister afoot v.s() of course. if you need more than one letter identifiers then refactor you lovely code 
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vec.mySizeVerfication() vector.sizeVerificationOther() vec.sizeRev2() vec.sizeRev3() also i stick to a strict no-comment style
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hepatizon posted:no IDE is smart enough to write meaningful code. at best, it can help you obscure your code's meaning with boilerplate If I write size_t i = vector.si There is only one thing I can possibly mean. How does pressing tab to skip a few keypresses obscure that I wanted the size of the vector? horse mans posted:whose lovely rereg are you I'm glad we all recognize that YOSPOS is such a tedious, dead forum that no one new will ever want to post here.
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