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Powershift posted:I think most major brands are pushing as hard as they can to move up market in anticipation of chinese cars being sold in north america. I really can't see it working out for everybody. Is it really "moving upmarket" if the prices stay the same and the target market is the same, though? That sounds more like just "getting better."
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gvibes posted:To people who follows the new cars: The answers are 1) absolutley not, and 2) absolutely. What we've seen is just a concept, the real thing is at least a year out. 2014 cars are already on the lot for some models. The new wrx will probably a 2015 model toned down a bit. The 5 door was somewhat previewed with the advanced tourer concept last year. Cream_Filling posted:Is it really "moving upmarket" if the prices stay the same and the target market is the same, though? That sounds more like just "getting better." The average new car sale price jumped over $30k for the first time last year. Prices aren't really staying the same, a lot of models have the same "starts at!" price adjusted for inflation, but one trim level up from the basic car puts you into some serious money. Look at the mustang. "starts at" $22k, but you can't add any options to the base model package. you have to choose the next level up before you can choose anything other than the transmission. Same with the f-150, "starts at" 20 grand, but tick the supercab box, that's $11,800 more. 4x4? $10,600 more. Powershift fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Mar 28, 2013 |
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Mar 28, 2013 21:56
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Powershift posted:The average new car sale price jumped over $30k for the first time last year. Prices aren't really staying the same, a lot of models have the same "starts at!" price adjusted for inflation, but one trim level up from the basic car puts you into some serious money. Yeah, but we also have record low incentives due to better inventory/production management. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/21/business/21auto.html?_r=0 I don't have the actual numbers, but according to this article, which when written reported an average price of around $29,602 or so, "[t]hough the average price remains below historic highs when adjusted for inflation, nominally it has never been so high, according to the auto-research site TrueCar.com", a site which I believe usually goes back to 2002 for its numbers.
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Mar 28, 2013 22:15
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kill me now posted:Hyundai kind of went one way with trying to push their brand more up market by suddenly make a bunch of expensive up market vehicles and dumping them on the market all in the same time frame. Hyundai and Kia essentially are the SK domestic market and their customer base is growing increasingly affluent. That's what's driving their moves upscale. It's good that it's helping in US markets.
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Mar 28, 2013 22:38
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Speaking of hyundai, the next genesis could look pretty cool. This is the "HND-9 concept", but their intentions are pretty clear. 
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Mar 28, 2013 22:52
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gvibes posted:To people who follows the new cars: If all they're showing is a design concept in spring, I don't think there will be a finished chassis by spring next year (the latest you could launch a 2014 model). so 1) no 2) absolutely yes I wonder if they'll retrofit the current GR based models with turbo FAs from the japanese legacy/US forester for 2014 though, ie, pull a mazda.
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Mar 28, 2013 23:13
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DropShadow posted:Psst ... it's a concept. I don't get why really aggressive and sporty looking sheetmetal necessarily means expensive. The FR-S is a good example of a car that looks way more expensive than it is. Of course, you still have the interior letting the overall cost feel down, but nothing from that concept nails down a price for me.
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Mar 28, 2013 23:16
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It doesn't need gasoline. It's powered by insects it traps from the air
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Powershift posted:Speaking of hyundai, the next genesis could look pretty cool. This is the "HND-9 concept", but their intentions are pretty clear. There's a lot of the new Focus in that grill.
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Mar 28, 2013 23:46
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There's a lot of ford everything. Doesn't mean it won't make a good lookin genesis coupe.
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Mar 29, 2013 00:18
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Powershift posted:There's a lot of ford everything. That's the newest Mustang concept rendering, yes? I know it pisses off a lot of Mustang traditionalists, but I think it looks loving awesome and if it comes out looking like that, I will probably buy one if I'm in a financial position to do so.
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Mar 29, 2013 00:23
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Getting a TT feel off that rear glass from that Mustang concept render. I think they'll stick with a traditional notchback coupe for that part, at least. The XV CrossTrek got unveiled in NY and Subaru are going to sell a poo poo load of them.
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Mar 29, 2013 00:48
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Powershift posted:There's a lot of ford everything. The Hyundai concept looks way better than the Mustang one and I like the Mustang one.
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Mar 29, 2013 00:51
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PT6A posted:That's the newest Mustang concept rendering, yes? I know it pisses off a lot of Mustang traditionalists, but I think it looks loving awesome and if it comes out looking like that, I will probably buy one if I'm in a financial position to do so. That's a Mustang? Holy poo poo I loving love it.
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It's actually the ford EVOS concept, but it should be a pretty good idea of what the mustang will look like.
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Mar 29, 2013 00:58
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I love looking at Korean cars and trying to figure out what their "influences" are.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:The XV CrossTrek got unveiled in NY and Subaru are going to sell a poo poo load of them. They haven't released much technical info, but it seems like a very "mild" system. Nothing special, though the city MPG should increase a few ticks, which is good. I'm waiting for them to release more detailed info. Endless Mike posted:I love looking at Korean cars and trying to figure out what their "influences" are. Everything looks like something.
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Mar 29, 2013 01:35
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I think the WRX Concept might be closer to the upcoming car than the "concept" title leads on. Put on some less extreme wheels/rubber, normal headlights/mirrors/door handles and I could definitely see it being a production car.
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Mar 29, 2013 01:35
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Pricing was revealed for the Delphi Connected Car module. http://www.verizonwireless.com/wcms/consumer/devices/vehicle-diagnostics.html $249, with a $5 a month charge after 2 years. Which seems like a fair enough price for what seems like a very useful tool. The only problem is that as far as I can tell, you have to have a Verizon data plan to use it, which makes it kind of expensive for anyone who is not on Verizon already. The cheapest data plan I can find is the $30, plus a $5 Monthly Line Access charge, which sets the price at $35 a month if you don't have a Verizon data plan.
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SouthLAnd posted:I think the WRX Concept might be closer to the upcoming car than the "concept" title leads on. Put on some less extreme wheels/rubber, normal headlights/mirrors/door handles and I could definitely see it being a production car. Those are 20 inch wheels on it and there is still rubber. I don't think they would produce a WRX that could handle 22s from the factory. It's an idea, but i think it will be toned down. the wheel wells will shrink , the side skirts will shrink, the flare will get less agressive.
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Powershift posted:Those are 20 inch wheels on it and there is still rubber. I don't think they would produce a WRX that could handle 22s from the factory. It's an idea, but i think it will be toned down. the wheel wells will shrink , the side skirts will shrink, the flare will get less agressive. One of my favorite things about the WRX was that it could wear 17" wheels without looking cheap/goofy. There's little tangible benefit to having 20" wheels from the factory unless you have massive brakes, but there are so many drawbacks. So I hope they do tone down that aspect of it a bit.
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Powershift posted:Those are 20 inch wheels on it and there is still rubber. I don't think they would produce a WRX that could handle 22s from the factory. It's an idea, but i think it will be toned down. the wheel wells will shrink , the side skirts will shrink, the flare will get less agressive. I'm really hoping the body looks like the concept though. I especially like what's going on with the greenhouse and rear/flares. It's got a lot of show car gimmicks but the basic shape looks plausible.
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SouthLAnd posted:I think the WRX Concept might be closer to the upcoming car than the "concept" title leads on. Put on some less extreme wheels/rubber, normal headlights/mirrors/door handles and I could definitely see it being a production car. Apparently the WRX in it's production form will be unveiled in Tokoyo in October. So if that's true then the concept is almost certainly a lot closer to what the production will be than most would believe. And seriously, people thinking this'll have a CVT? Are you loving mad? The WRX crowd dont want a DSG, let alone a piece of poo poo like a CVT. Get wishes of no clutch and gently caress off to some other car. (It's getting a 6 speed manual and likely to be the only option.... it's not like auto WRXs have ever sold in any kind of numbers, WRX buyers have long shown they want three pedals or GTFO)
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Cat Terrist posted:Apparently the WRX in it's production form will be unveiled in Tokoyo in October. So if that's true then the concept is almost certainly a lot closer to what the production will be than most would believe. CVT-only is coming. It's just a matter of time.
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Cat Terrist posted:
I'm pretty sure the auto has always been a strong seller (perhaps even the volume seller) in Japan.
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Faerunner posted:CVT-only is coming. It's just a matter of time. In a WRX? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA No. The core buying group will abandon it. CVT is poo poo at the best of times as well
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dissss posted:I'm pretty sure the auto has always been a strong seller (perhaps even the volume seller) in Japan. It's just an informal observation but the Japanese seem to like autos as much as the U.S.
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I feel like the back of the WRX Concept is kinda weird, like they have designed it as a wagon first (which is totally fine by me)
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CharlesM posted:Everything looks like something. Especially when they're blatant ripoffs.
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Cat Terrist posted:In a WRX? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I personally don't see the manual leaving the WRX anytime soon, but I can't see it remaining manual-only for the next generation. That just leaves far too many potential sales on the table. Subaru could get away with that when the WRX was just a special Impreza, but if they are going to create a new platform for it, they are certainly going to want to maximize its sales. Subaru already has a CVT that can handle the power, which is why I think they will go that direction.
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Cat Terrist posted:In a WRX? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA The core buying group will abandon it, and a whole new group will start buying it because it looks sporty but isn't such a pain to live with, and it will sell better than ever. Case in point: 240/60/80Z vs. 280ZX.
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Perhaps with the new platform Subaru will bring a dual-clutch transmission the WRX?
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 Does anyone else see an Eclipse in that Ford concept?
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anonumos posted:
 Does anyone else see a ford puma concept in that eclipse?
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Endless Mike posted:I love looking at Korean cars and trying to figure out what their "influences" are. IIRC Kia's current head of design previously worked at Audi.
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Didn't they just straight up replace the auto WRX with the Impreza GT?anonumos posted:
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IOwnCalculus posted:The core buying group will abandon it, and a whole new group will start buying it because it looks sporty but isn't such a pain to live with, and it will sell better than ever. And then after you abandon the people who bought the car religiously model after model, the not so invested float to the next sexy car and Subaru wonders why their sales are declining.... which is exactly what happens time and time again.
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Cat Terrist posted:And then after you abandon the people who bought the car religiously model after model, the not so invested float to the next sexy car and Subaru wonders why their sales are declining.... which is exactly what happens time and time again. Mitsubishi once had a rabid enthusiast following.
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Cat Terrist posted:And then after you abandon the people who bought the car religiously model after model, the not so invested float to the next sexy car and Subaru wonders why their sales are declining.... which is exactly what happens time and time again. Dunno what the situation is like in Aus, but SoA have seen steadily increasing sales for a while now. Same globally, I think. I think like almost half their sales are in the US market now, so, combined with their association with Toyota, naturally their cars are going to get bigger, dumber, and more Americanized. So blame America, really. This also ignores the fact that much of their appeal was the fact that their cars were quirky and not totally Americanized, and that every step they take in watering that down just makes it that much harder to compete with automakers like Toyota that can do generic soo much cheaper due to their drastically higher volumes. That said, the latest Legacy and Outback are fat, lame, and ugly. Give us a proper wagon again, you humps. Oh, and a proper Legacy GT. And then give us the same deal that the BRZ had as a cut-rate Cayman and make a cut-rate Panamera that doesn't look like poo poo.
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As long as you can get a 6MT who gives a poo poo if you can also get it with some form of auto?
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