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Goatmask posted:Absolute Sandman I am not familiar with, would you say that this is a good representation of what you get:
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DID SOMEONE SAY lovely RECOLORING          I hope everyone responsible for doing this to The Incal was fired.
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Why is it that so many of these recoloring jobs take the original crisp high-craftsmanship linework and completly obscure it with a bunch of cribbing from smeary photo-manip style like Greg Horn's? Uggghghghg.
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Hahaha, what is with these?! "Everything's all stylized and colourful? THAT'S NOT HOW REAL LIFE LOOKS!!!!"
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Since we're doing recoloring I really dislike both the Year One and Killing Joke recolouring.    
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War Year One the one in which the artist got really pissed off due to the recoloring in the Deluxe edition or did he get pissed about something else?
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Yeah Mazzucchelli specifically spoke out before it was released trying to get people not to buy it due to how bad the recoloring, paper quality and design were.
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I could be wrong, but I think your sample of Year One was actually from an earlier recolouring of the book, which was necessary due to it no longer being printed on newsprint and was approved by Mazzucchelli. The recent reprint of the book that he disapproved of had other issues like low quality images, a redesigned cover, and being printed on glossy paper. In fact, I don't think this version was actually recoloured, because I found this quote from Mazzucchelli clarifying the issue: quote:No, just inferior production values [compared to the previous design]. And the re-coloring is only of the cover. The interior is Richmond’s color, but printed from corrupted, out-of focus digital files. So those were two different problems. Yeti Yeti Yeti fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Apr 2, 2013 |
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Waterhaul posted:Since we're doing recoloring I really dislike both the Year One and Killing Joke recolouring. Re-colouring is one thing, but what is even the point behind removing the yellow and purple from Batman and Joker's outfits?
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Yeah, that Year One recoloring doesn't look that different at all. I rather like the water-color look of it. The Killing Joke one is horrendous, though.
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Endless Mike posted:The Killing Joke one is horrendous, though.
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Yeti Yeti Yeti posted:I could be wrong, but I think you sample of Year One was actually from an earlier recolouring of the book, which was necessary due to it no longer being printed on newsprint and was approved by Mazzucchelli. The recent reprint of the book that he disapproved of had other issues like low quality images, a redesigned cover, and being printed on glossy paper. In fact, I don't think this version was actually recoloured, because I found this quote from Mazzucchelli clarifying the issue: My bad. I thought I might be getting a few things mixed up. I still really prefer the original from the effect given off by the paper quality.
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Flesh Forge posted:Why is it that so many of these recoloring jobs take the original crisp high-craftsmanship linework and completly obscure it with a bunch of cribbing from smeary photo-manip style like Greg Horn's? Uggghghghg. Probably just because it sells well. As to why that is, who can only say?
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Waterhaul posted:My bad. I don't know about the rest of the book, but I think the recoloring of Batman's costume from blue to black was a good touch. Maybe it depends on how you first experience the book. Also, I think the older a book is the less it should be recolored. Someone posted an image dump somewhere of a bunch of recolored stuff, and the stuff from the sixties and seventies looked horrendous, but some of the nineties stuff, like Liefeld's X-Force, looked pretty drat good as far as Liefeld goes.
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Die Laughing posted:I don't know about the rest of the book, but I think the recoloring of Batman's costume from blue to black was a good touch. Maybe it depends on how you first experience the book.
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Flesh Forge posted:Why is it that so many of these recoloring jobs take the original crisp high-craftsmanship linework and completly obscure it with a bunch of cribbing from smeary photo-manip style like Greg Horn's? Uggghghghg. The other problem with these recolouring jobs is that they always remove any colour cast, colouring every scene as if they were uniformly lit with D50 lighting. It makes everything so bland and just ruins the atmosphere. Plus, colourists working with limited palettes had to pay attention to colour theory, whereas most modern colourists clearly don't give any thought into which colours look good together. With superhero comics, this is a big problem since a page of characters in different brightly coloured spandex usually looks awful without the colours being muted by a strong colour cast. Like Endless Mike said, recolouring is often necessary (eg, one of the problems with the new version of Year One was that the colours weren't optimized for glossy paper) but I wish they would at least attempt to keep the tone of the original colours. Now for something less lovely, the colours in The Flash look pretty good.   And the spot colour style of Darwyn Cooke's Parker books    Especially in the Confessions Weekly part of the second book (see the second image) Yeti Yeti Yeti fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Apr 2, 2013 |
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The problem is less about modern coloring being bad and more about how dc/marvel pay next to nothing for "remastering colors" and just use the fastest people they can get to poo poo them out.
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Apparently when you recolor something, you have to remove all lighting and color temperature? Anyways, this was posted on the Hawkeye Initiative and I have no idea what the gently caress is going on with her body. She's apparently just a giant hip with a boob and an arm sticking out of it.  Edit: I'd love to see someone redraw her when he's just standing straight up. Fish Of Doom fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Apr 5, 2013 |
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Fish Of Doom posted:Apparently when you recolor something, you have to remove all lighting and color temperature?  I chuckled for a solid minute at this. I'm not really sure what the gently caress is going on either. It looks like her body is merging into that black electric blob in the left corner there.
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Fish Of Doom posted:Apparently when you recolor something, you have to remove all lighting and color temperature? Unfortunately this happened more than once during Sana Takeda's Ms. Marvel tenure. Her X-23 issues were pretty solid so I'm not sure what happened here.
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Fish Of Doom posted:Apparently when you recolor something, you have to remove all lighting and color temperature? She looks like she has a...growth or something coming out of her side.
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bobkatt013 posted:In memory of Carmine Infantino Here is some more images.     
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One of my first comic books was an issue of The Flash, and I thought it might have been by Infantino but after a little digging online I find it was Ross Andru. He's sweating right through his mask.  
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Fish Of Doom posted:Apparently when you recolor something, you have to remove all lighting and color temperature? I tried to make this easier to parse, and... IT WORKED 
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scary ghost dog posted:I tried to make this easier to parse, and... IT WORKED The "AMUSING" in the top corner is just so great.
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scary ghost dog posted:I tried to make this easier to parse, and... IT WORKED That's actually quite a bit better than the original. I wonder whether that huge cloud of What The gently caress was just put in by an over-eager colorist, like the inexplicable bright orange blaze on the top of her butt - that's behind her cape and hair, what's lighting that? The big baby oil gleam along the hip also really messes up the sense of shape. There are other things that are technically wrong with the lighting but those two really stand out.
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Waterhaul posted:Here is some more images. The fourth one is striking because he's looking at the viewer with a look that's...I dunno. His eyes have some serious sarcasm going on.
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I'm suprised you didn't include the Flash cover where Captain Cold is directly talking to the reader about how he'd like tot ell you what he did to the Flash, but they wouldn't let him and there's a big CENSORED sign. It's pretty creative.
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Here's some more Carmine Infantino     El Gallinero Gros posted:I'm suprised you didn't include the Flash cover where Captain Cold is directly talking to the reader about how he'd like tot ell you what he did to the Flash, but they wouldn't let him and there's a big CENSORED sign. It's pretty creative. I actually hadn't seen the cover but you're right it's pretty drat great. 
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Looks more like the tagline should be "Flash kicked this guy's rear end so bad he fled to the cover, but Flash ain't gonna let that stop him!"
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Wendell posted:Looks more like the tagline should be "Flash kicked this guy's rear end so bad he fled to the cover, but Flash ain't gonna let that stop him!" Well you can't blame him, Flash looks to be like four or five times the guy's size. Wait on further study, Flash's head is like 4 times the size, but they're hands are nearly the same size.
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My favorite's the one with the Rogues peering over the logo at the fallen Flash. That's downright frameable in my opinion.
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Choco1980 posted:My favorite's the one with the Rogues peering over the logo at the fallen Flash. That's downright frameable in my opinion. One of my favorite covers. Striking and iconic.
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"The new DC. There's no stopping us now." Oh geez.
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Goatmask posted:"The new DC. There's no stopping us now." I am pretty sure that refers to the logo change.
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Hahahahahahaha this deserves to be framed, or in a textbook or something. This is incredible. How many hours of painstaking work did it take to convert this image fully into dogshit?
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It's like someone didn't get the memo that that wasn't supposed to look like Earth water.
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swamp waste posted:Hahahahahahaha this deserves to be framed, or in a textbook or something. This is incredible. How many hours of painstaking work did it take to convert this image fully into dogshit? The original looked like dogshit as well, but at least it wasn't polished dogshit. The Incal is not Moebius's finest hour.
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