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Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
Japan is not very friendly to foreigners in general.

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Tzen
Sep 11, 2001

Barudak posted:

Are their roving gangs of Anti-Canadian Japanese people or is there some super dangerous part of Japan I'm blanking on?
Yeah I found that status to be pretty absurd as well. In my experience Japan is quite friendly to foreingers.

burnishedfume
Mar 8, 2011

You really are a louse...

Riso posted:

Japan is not very friendly to foreigners in general.

I thought it was just foreign immigrants that had a harder time in Japan, but tourists were cool? Like if you want to crash on Japan's couch for a week or so that's cool but if you want to move in they aren't as thrilled?

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

Riso posted:

Japan is not very friendly to foreigners in general.

That doesn't make it more dangerous than most countries though, the area to avoid is probably because of the nuclear incident in Fukushima.

Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

Are you happy now?
Apart from that one tourist who got shot, I hadn't heard of any dangers in North Korea? I can't imagine there's many rapes of female tourists there.

Muscle Tracer
Feb 23, 2007

Medals only weigh one down.

Comstar posted:

Apart from that one tourist who got shot, I hadn't heard of any dangers in North Korea? I can't imagine there's many rapes of female tourists there.

Here's what the U.S. Department of State has to say on that.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
I thought Mauretania was pretty safe.

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Muscle Tracer posted:

Here's what the U.S. Department of State has to say on that.

Well, yeah, but if you're not from the US you would be fine, I'd think.

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post

ekuNNN posted:

Well, yeah, but if you're not from the US you would be fine, I'd think.

North Korea isn't exactly chill with Canada either, Canada was part of the Korean war and is/was a signatory on the armistice. According to wikipedia, they sent 26,791 troops and 1,588 were lost.

Muscle Tracer
Feb 23, 2007

Medals only weigh one down.

ekuNNN posted:

Well, yeah, but if you're not from the US you would be fine, I'd think.

Not particularly. Things like this:

State Department posted:

Foreign visitors to North Korea may be arrested, detained, or expelled for activities that would not be considered criminal outside North Korea, including involvement in unsanctioned religious and/or political activities (whether those activities took place inside or outside North Korea)...

North Korean security personnel may regard as espionage unauthorized or unescorted travel inside North Korea and unauthorized attempts to speak directly to North Korean citizens. North Korean authorities may fine or arrest travelers for exchanging currency with an unauthorized vendor, for taking unauthorized photographs, or for shopping at stores not designated for foreigners. It is a criminal act in North Korea to show disrespect to the country's former leaders, Kim Jong Il and Kim Il Sung, or to the current leader, Kim Jong Un.

...

North Korea's penalties for knowingly or unknowingly violating North Korea's laws are much harsher than U.S. penalties for similar offenses. Sentences for crimes can include years of detention in hard labor camps or death.

apply equally to everyone.

How are u
May 19, 2005

by Azathoth
That map is goofy. Iranians are notoriously hospitable and generous to visitors and every American traveler who has been to Iran comes back gushing about how average Iranians have nothing against Americans, just our government. I'd probably feel safer traveling in Iran than most of South America.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

How are u posted:

That map is goofy. Iranians are notoriously hospitable and generous to visitors and every American traveler who has been to Iran comes back gushing about how average Iranians have nothing against Americans, just our government. I'd probably feel safer traveling in Iran than most of South America.

Every so often someone enters Iran and gets arrested on charges of spying, though.

esquilax
Jan 3, 2003

How are u posted:

That map is goofy. Iranians are notoriously hospitable and generous to visitors and every American traveler who has been to Iran comes back gushing about how average Iranians have nothing against Americans, just our government. I'd probably feel safer traveling in Iran than most of South America.

On the other hand, it shows Cuba as the safest place to visit in the Caribbean so it's probably not based on "which governments are pro-west".

The Whole Internet
May 26, 2010

by FactsAreUseless

The article doesn't seem to account for metro areas. Dallas proper may lean Democratic, but greater Dallas-Fort Worth has a Republican majority. The same is true for other southeastern cities where the city proper leans democratic and the conservative suburbs outweigh it. Houston, Charlotte, Nashville, and Jacksonville are other good examples. If we go by whole metro areas then Republicans have strong representation in many of them. They just refuse to live in the actual urban parts of them.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

How many foreigners has North Korea arrested for no good reason and put in buttfuck detention centres/how many foreigners has the US arrested for no good reason and put in buttfuck detention centres?

Muscle Tracer
Feb 23, 2007

Medals only weigh one down.

Jerry Cotton posted:

How many foreigners has North Korea arrested for no good reason and put in buttfuck detention centres/how many foreigners has the US arrested for no good reason and put in buttfuck detention centres?

The difference is that you have to be in NK for them to arrest you :unsmigghh:

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post

Jerry Cotton posted:

How many foreigners has North Korea arrested for no good reason and put in buttfuck detention centres/how many foreigners has the US arrested for no good reason and put in buttfuck detention centres?

Fight da power!!!!!!!!!

General Panic
Jan 28, 2012
AN ERORIST AGENT

Cygni posted:

North Korea isn't exactly chill with Canada either, Canada was part of the Korean war and is/was a signatory on the armistice. According to wikipedia, they sent 26,791 troops and 1,588 were lost.

By the same logic, they presumably aren't too happy with the British, Australians or New Zealanders either.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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I don't even think that they'd care if you're Canadian. If you're white then you're American. This is the perspective of many people throughout the far-east, not just the North Koreans.

Dr. Tough
Oct 22, 2007

Jerry Cotton posted:

How many foreigners has North Korea arrested for no good reason and put in buttfuck detention centres/how many foreigners has the US arrested for no good reason and put in buttfuck detention centres?

haha the minute that that map was posted I just knew that someone would bust out with something like this and try to argue that the US is worse than North Korea or Iran or someplace

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post

General Panic posted:

By the same logic, they presumably aren't too happy with the British, Australians or New Zealanders either.

They aren't. They refer to them as puppet states, along with South Korea. I think you can still travel to NK with their passports though.

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

General Panic posted:

By the same logic, they presumably aren't too happy with the British, Australians or New Zealanders either.

France also, I guess.
France and Estonia are the only European countries who do not have diplomatic relations with NK.



Green: diplomatic relations established

Red: Diplomatic relations terminated

Sweden actually has an embassy in Pyongyang.

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




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Kurtofan posted:

France also, I guess.
France and Estonia are the only European countries who do not have diplomatic relations with NK.



Green: diplomatic relations established

Red: Diplomatic relations terminated

Sweden actually has an embassy in Pyongyang.

Terminated by North Korea, or by the other country?

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

prefect posted:

Terminated by North Korea, or by the other country?

I don't know, Argentina cut ties in 1977 after the Junta took control and Chile in 1973 when Pinochet took over.

Iraq in 1980.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Dr. Tough posted:

haha the minute that that map was posted I just knew that someone would bust out with something like this and try to argue that the US is worse than North Korea or Iran or someplace

Does that make it a less legitimate question? (Also we were talking about safety.)

Angiepants
May 8, 2008

What's so special about Botswana?

GreenCard78
Apr 25, 2005

It's all in the game, yo.

cheerfullydrab posted:

I thought Mauretania was pretty safe.

You mean the country that still has 10-20% of its population enslaved?

Angiepants posted:

What's so special about Botswana?

I'm not sure, either but everything I've heard about traveling to Botswana is that it's been very safe and a great place to travel. :shrug:

Amarkov
Jun 21, 2010

Angiepants posted:

What's so special about Botswana?

Botswana has a strong democracy, so all their diamond money didn't just go into some warlord's pocket.

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.

GreenCard78 posted:

You mean the country that still has 10-20% of its population enslaved?

Hold on what now? Is slavery still so open in some areas? Any other countries like that?

GreenCard78
Apr 25, 2005

It's all in the game, yo.
They made slavery illegal in like 1905? and didn't work, made it illegal again in 1980 but that didn't stop anyone because it was 2007 when they made owning slaves illegal and punishable. I think they've only prosecuted one person or so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritania

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Mauritania

http://www.saiia.org.za/governance-and-aprm-opinion/mauritania-made-slavery-illegal-last-month.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/specials/1458_abolition/page4.shtml

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/03/world/mauritania.slaverys.last.stronghold/index.html

http://www.theafricareport.com/Columns/mauritania-a-love-affair-with-slavery.html

You can google more if you like but that's really just the tip of the iceberg. You know there are still many places with people in bondage today, April 3 the year of our lord 2013?

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.

GreenCard78 posted:

You can google more if you like but that's really just the tip of the iceberg. You know there are still many places with people in bondage today, April 3 the year of our lord 2013?

I guess there's something more disturbing to me about the idea of it being open and legal rather than under a (thin) veil, although you're right that that's silly.

GreenCard78
Apr 25, 2005

It's all in the game, yo.

Koramei posted:

I guess there's something more disturbing to me about the idea of it being open and legal rather than under a (thin) veil, although you're right that that's silly.

It's been a few years since I have read much about it, in fact I remember the thread on it back in 07, but it's not even a thin veil. The reason they outlawed it was because of international pressure and in order to get whatever it was they wanted, they needed to adopt it.

There was a story about a woman who was around 40 years old but couldn't tell how old she was or even really understand measurements of time because she had never been taught. Her place as a slave was just the way things were and so was everything she had ever done. I think she might have been freed and that's why she was interviewed but she didn't get the concept of being freed. Definitely one of the most :smith: articles I've read on here.

Here's an interview with a different person born into slavery

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
With open and legal slavery a country can still be safe for tourists to visit, though. Not morally right of course.

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,

Dr. Tough posted:

haha the minute that that map was posted I just knew that someone would bust out with something like this and try to argue that the US is worse than North Korea or Iran or someplace

It has nothing to do with "better" or "worse". Do you think they have better pizza in Iran or North Korea? It's irrelevant; the point is that the map is to a certain degree...wait for it...politically-loaded.

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

Why doesn't Canada get a colour?

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Vegetable posted:

Why doesn't Canada get a colour?

I thought it's a Canadian map? I mean you can't visit Canada if you're Canadian.

esquilax
Jan 3, 2003

Vegetable posted:

Why doesn't Canada get a colour?

The map was made by the Canadian Department for Foreign Affairs.

Don't worry, I had the same thought at first.

Mu Cow
Oct 26, 2003

If you have enough money, you can enjoy a nice, safe vacation in any country. I prefer to look at the map as "how screwed are you if something goes wrong".

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

cheerfullydrab posted:

I thought Mauretania was pretty safe.

Besides the slavery, there have been several cases of foreigners getting kidnapped and held for ransom by bandits or islamist groups.

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Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
Are there kidnappings in Mauretania? Active terrorist bombings of civilians in the capital? Endemic crime, both organized and unorganized? Some sort of sputtering rebellion? I don't mean to harp on this, I just don't see why the Canucks rated it so badly. I know all about the awful slavery and how horrible a country it is, I'm still just not seeing the danger to your average fat Canadian with a fanny pack and a straw hat and zinc oxide on their nose. I'm very curious and would like to learn.

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Kassad posted:

Besides the slavery, there have been several cases of foreigners getting kidnapped and held for ransom by bandits or islamist groups.
Okay, like that.

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