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Wario In Real Life posted:You literally said it was a frustrating grind that focused on getting players to shell out IAP dollars to progress. Nice backpedal. "It has a progression system to it, which is (of course) balanced to maximize frustration to that point where you're more likely to buy" If there wasn't frustration, no one would buy IAP. If there were only a tiny bit, even then, no one would buy IAP. When you're balancing these games, you have to ask yourself "how much frustration with progression is ok?" rather than balancing to remove it entirely. Because this is not the happy huggy land of Apple, this is the land of "developers need to eat." EDIT: (You're aiming for this tipping point in player feedback, where players are enjoying themselves, but if you go any further, they would start actively complaining in droves.) That "(of course)" wasn't flippant. Making an IAP-driven game with zero frustration from all players would be stupid. In terms of recent examples, Punch Quest's initial release would be an excellent example of why that's a bad idea. I think I probably did that even in Jones, even though I tried hard not to. ... but by all means, do go on 
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Person who wanted games for their mother: Sally's Salon, Spa, and Studio. Airport Mania 1 and 2. I can't recommend these games enough.
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Apr 3, 2013 22:27
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Wario In Real Life posted:You literally said it was a frustrating grind that focused on getting players to shell out IAP dollars to progress. Nice backpedal. God who the gently caress cares, shut up already with your incessant white knighting of this drat game.
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Shalinor posted:Did I? I said: We actually go out of our way to try and balance our games to the point that any normal player with adequate free time who enjoys the game isn't "frustrated to that point where they're more likely to buy". I think a lot of people look at any progression in a game with IAP from the viewpoint of monetization, where-in progression in a game like Ridiculous Fishing is simply viewed as game balance since there is no IAP.
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NimbleQuest: Snake + RPG = hit. (Brilliant) Puzzle & Dragons: Bejeweled + RPG = hit. (It's Japan) Nice.
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Apr 3, 2013 22:31
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VideoGameVet posted:NimbleQuest: Snake + RPG = hit. (Brilliant) You're the Word Carnivale guy, right? I played that. You don't have a whole lot of room to be throwing shade at other developers, mate.
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eeenmachine posted:We actually go out of our way to try and balance our games to the point that any normal player with adequate free time who enjoys the game isn't "frustrated to that point where they're more likely to buy". I think a lot of people look at any progression in a game with IAP from the viewpoint of monetization, where-in progression in a game like Ridiculous Fishing is simply viewed as game balance since there is no IAP. I'm probably being unfair in calling IAP games out for being a grind, given that. I couldn't accurately say whether I'd even notice the grind, if currency purchases weren't there to make me think about it. I apologize for saying that of yours.
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Teddybear posted:You're the Word Carnivale guy, right? I played that. You don't have a whole lot of room to be throwing shade at other developers, mate.
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Apr 3, 2013 22:33
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VideoGameVet posted:NimbleQuest: Snake + RPG = hit. (Brilliant) Some of the greatest iOS games are RPG hybrids....puzzle quest, sword & poker, dungeon raid..
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Shalinor posted:You're right. I was wondering about that even I was typing. Any design with progression has a grind. Hell, I'm playing Lost Planet 2 right now, and that absolutely has a grind, despite being a $60 game from years ago with no IAP or RPG mechanics of any real kind. All I know about LP2's system is that it metes out unlockables through a goddamned slot machine, which is about as grindy as you can get.
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Ha, what, this is totally the wrong thread for that. 
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eeenmachine posted:We actually go out of our way to try and balance our games to the point that any normal player with adequate free time who enjoys the game isn't "frustrated to that point where they're more likely to buy". Is this really the case? I enjoyed, to some degree, Tiny Tower. For what other reason can the waiting mechanic possibly exist other than to frustrate me into buying bux? I'm open to having my mind changed but I just don't see it. IAP costumes, skins, etc. are something else entirely...
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VideoGameVet posted:NimbleQuest: Snake + RPG = hit. (Brilliant) When can we expect 3D Word Puzzle RPG Game Deluxe?
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Everyone sure is mean to each other in this thread. E. Regarding what I said earlier about Pixel People's surprises rising in price, it seems to rise with your land level, not the building level. In related news, I sure wish there was an option to choose what animals I use for the quest thingies so I can get rid of dupes instead of losing my rarer poo poo. Any Lambda devs ITT..?
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Armed Neutrality posted:Is this really the case? I enjoyed, to some degree, Tiny Tower. For what other reason can the waiting mechanic possibly exist other than to frustrate me into buying bux? I'm open to having my mind changed but I just don't see it. Why do buildings take time to build in Sim City when they could just instantly appear? Having to wait for something actually makes it more exciting for the player when it is ready.
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Teddybear posted:You're the Word Carnivale guy, right? I played that. You don't have a whole lot of room to be throwing shade at other developers, mate. I freaking love Nimblequest. How in the heck did you not get that based on my prior messages?
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Teddybear posted:You're the Word Carnivale guy, right? I played that. You don't have a whole lot of room to be throwing shade at other developers, mate. What's wrong with it? Seriously, do you really have an issue with Word Carnivale? Word Carnivale is better than RUZZLE in every single way. Better looking, more polished, more dynamic (the game board changes, you can earn time) and you never have to wait for a game or spend $$$ to have more games happening at any time. VideoGameVet fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Apr 3, 2013 |
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Armed Neutrality posted:Some of the greatest iOS games are RPG hybrids....puzzle quest, sword & poker, dungeon raid.. Yep. And one of the people at our place reminded me that our Poker game has a good chunk of the pieces of this. Achievements, etc... I'm not dissing it. I got to hear the designer of Puzzle and Dragons at GDC, one of the best talks (translated) at the event.
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Corridor posted:Everyone sure is mean to each other in this thread.
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jerkstore77 posted:When can we expect 3D Word Puzzle RPG Game Deluxe? Just as soon as I finish "Return to Dorks" ... an adventure game about a world of angry gamers who spend all their time dissing developers.
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Wario In Real Life posted:Do an app store search for BAILOUT BONANZA. Google "Leather Goddesses of Phobos 2" while you're at it. Bailout isn't the first stinker I've worked on.
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I have 2 complaints about Word Carnivale. 1. Facebook friends doesn't work, I can't challenge any of my friends to the game. 2. The timer mechanic and getting extra time for completing words makes playing 3-4 letter words very quickly a much more successful strategy than looking for longer words. I think it'd be a much better game if you got no points or time for 3 letter words, just the benefit of clearing letters off the board. Smaller rewards for 4-letter words would be nice too.
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Can't you all see that NQ is tearing us apart!? Maybe we weren't ready for such a treasure...
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eeenmachine posted:We actually go out of our way to try and balance our games to the point that any normal player with adequate free time who enjoys the game isn't "frustrated to that point where they're more likely to buy". I think a lot of people look at any progression in a game with IAP from the viewpoint of monetization, where-in progression in a game like Ridiculous Fishing is simply viewed as game balance since there is no IAP. (Although Pixel People has gotten a lot better with the recent updates and I don't regret that purchase quite as much anymore.)
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VideoGameVet posted:Google "Leather Goddesses of Phobos 2" while you're at it. Bailout isn't the first stinker I've worked on. This is amazing.
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ZerodotJander posted:I have 2 complaints about Word Carnivale. Thank you for posting this. I'm sorry to hear about the Facebook problems, I passed this onto the dev team. Of course it works fine for me. But if there's a problem, we need to fix this. On the timer bonuses etc., that happens to be a setting that we can change on the server. Maybe we can test this when the next revision is released? I don't want piss off the current players, some of whom are in the game for 5 hours a day or more. But it's a setting that can be changed instantly. --- Update. On the Facebook invite thing, this happens if you don't give up the permissions we asked for when you logged in. Up to now, we've been asking for a bunch of Facebook permissions ... so you could do invites, brags etc... In the next revision we'll only ask for the initial "log in permissions" and then ask for the permissions as needed WHEN you do invites. This will prevent the "but you didn't give us permission" issue you saw with the invites. VideoGameVet fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Apr 4, 2013 |
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marshmonkey posted:This is amazing. Yes, but Return to Zork happened because of LGOP2. That is a story in itself.
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Bottom Liner posted:It's important to note that 3's perform worse than 2's despite having a faster CPU because of the retina. The 3 is no longer being sold (unless refurbished.) And the iPad 4 performs better than the mini, even in retina. Basically, if you want eye-candy, get the large iPad. If you want something light/sleek, get the mini. If you aren't sure, go to the nearest store and check both of them out. I personally can no longer stand non-retina text.
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Malalol posted:Moms birthdays soon, toying withthe idea of buying a few paid app games for her. Any ideas? Not a good english speaker/reader so something easy to pick up without having to read tons of dialogue that tell you what to do. Or fancy action games. My mom loves Candy Crash Saga and all the other mom's she plays with seem to as well. I think its free but you could probably get her that and then some IAP stuff to not have her have to wait for new puzzles.
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Video Game Vet, I don't actively hate on you like some folks here. (I just don't care either way) but use your edit button, man. A triple post and TWO double posts within the span of a quarter page. You do that a lot. Edit Button is your friend. Feenix fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Apr 3, 2013 |
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Feenix posted:Video Game Vet, I don't actively hate on you like some folks here. (I just don't care either way) but use your edit button, man. A triple post and TWO double posts within the span of a quarter page. You do that a lot. When someone posts like that I read it like they're on a screed, even of that's not the case.
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I love all iOS games! Except EA's "Theme Park"; such a let down  Here's hoping that Rollercoaster Tycoon is awesome.Let's just all agree to put the blame on old school RTS designers for introducing timer mechanics in games. Not freemium devs who were smart enough to use them in a different, more rewarding way. 
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VideoGameVet posted:Google "Leather Goddesses of Phobos 2" while you're at it. Bailout isn't the first stinker I've worked on. Hahaha that's awesome, I had no idea. Were you working at Infocom when the original was published, too?
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Well now. The Room kept surprising me with another box. And year walk was haunting, both the plots were a little hackneyed but maybe that's because I'm just straight up old to cutesy dark story dynamics. THIS SENTENCE PREVIOUSLY WAS A SPOILER. Well motherfucka, in butterfly effect he strangles himself in his womb with his umbilical cord Now I've just picked up Unmechanical, Badland which just came out and Incoboto. Also, like two years ago now I read The Magician King, some book, and it had like an eighty word paragraph on a horse the length of a school bus with thirty screaming kids that scares a lovely magician and when I saw that horse in Year Walk I instantly drew the comparison, over two years old, to that short bit in a long book. It was neat. Creepy loving horses. Unmechanical also has a 25% off sale if anyone cares. I don't know if its good yet but it's got a nice intro. Also the controls feel real intuitive. Helmacron fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Apr 4, 2013 |
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Spoilers, rear end in a top hat! I think I liked Year Walk better because I didn't know there was a companion app and had no idea what the gently caress was going on, and it was really surreal and like playing as a hallucinating crazy person. Once I realised there was a plot it became less awesome and slightly more, "Oh, is that what he's going for, how boring." Like Donnie Darko. Still cool though. The atmosphere was the best part by a long way. I got the impression of carrying gross jittering babies at arm's length with my fingertips. Horse you are a creepy rear end in a top hat why would you even want this it is gross. And then I felt bad because aw.
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Helmacron posted:Also, like two years ago now I read The Magician King, some book, and it had like an eighty word paragraph on a horse the length of a school bus with thirty screaming kids that scares a lovely magician and when I saw that horse in Year Walk I instantly drew the comparison, over two years old, to that short bit in a long book. It was neat. Creepy loving horses. Umm the Cozy Horse was like a giant fluffy happy bus that brought you to a bunny rabbit tea party. You have a weird definition of creepy.
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the magician king posted:“One morning Julia saw Failstaff at breakfast looking as grim as she’d ever seen him. Over espresso and muesli he swore to her that he’d seen a black horse with a back as long as a school bus, with thirty crying children mounted on it, match speeds with them last night as they drove home in the van. It paced them for two solid minutes, sometimes trotting on the ground, sometimes galloping along up on power lines or across the treetops. Then it leaped straight into a river, kids and all. They stopped and waited, but it never came back up. Real, or illusion? They searched the papers for stories about missing kids, but they never found anything.” I know creepy. I have a well honed sense of creepy. Sometimes I eat pieces of creep for breakfast.
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VideoGameVet posted:NimbleQuest: Snake + RPG = hit. (Brilliant) I'm holding out for Gorillas + RPG to complete the QBASIC retro-revival.
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Helmacron posted:I know creepy. I have a well honed sense of creepy. Sometimes I eat pieces of creep for breakfast. Oh, right, that one. That was the creepy, "real" version of the Cozy Horse, not the sunshine and lollipops Narnia/Fillory book version.
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Haven't seen mention of this but there is a free version of Heroes & Castles out now if you've been on the fence about it. If your not aware of it, it is a 3rd person action/tower defense/RTS hybrid game where you play a hero defending the kings keep against and endless horde of undead, orcs, and goblins. To aid you, you can build walls, cannons, ballista, and more while summoning your own troops to fend off attacks. No reason not to check it out now. https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/heroes-and-castles-free/id618288607?mt=8
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