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Cardboard Box A posted:Here's how the update looks on highest settings 1080p, if anyone was wondering. Film grain and all. They still didn't fix the dropship explosion. You are tempting to me to drop the threebux even now, since I bore easily lately. . . Also, the funniest thing about the new film grain is that they are clearly trying to emulate the Aliens camerawork. Except one of James Cameron's eternal regrets is how grainy the film stock was in Aliens (film dork reporting in).
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Mar 25, 2013 11:23
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:You are tempting to me to drop the threebux even now, since I bore easily lately. . .
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Mar 26, 2013 02:49
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Xenomrph posted:That's not entirely accurate - he personally oversaw the bluray transfer for 'Aliens' and was offered the option to remove the film grain, and intentionally kept it. He did the same thing with 'The Terminator', too. This is because he doesn't have the George Lucas gene.
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Mar 26, 2013 02:52
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So out of curiosity, since the hugeass patch, is this game worth a drat or is it still just a bunch of lies held together with spit, gum, and baling wire?
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Mar 26, 2013 07:23
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If you had to ask that to a game made by Gearbox then the answer is most definitely still no. If Duke Nukem Forever had gotten a 5 gig patch that suddenly made it a good game I'm sure they would've done the same for this and we'd all be sporting Duke's Bro's avatars right now in some parallel universe. The game as it stands would need to be completely thrown out and redone anew in order to make it good or remove the stigma of being "that terrible Aliens game Gearbox shat out".
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Mar 26, 2013 07:35
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E-Tank posted:So out of curiosity, since the hugeass patch, is this game worth a drat or is it still just a bunch of lies held together with spit, gum, and baling wire? It's still bad. nothing short of forcing the developers to rebuild the game from the ground-up will make this anything more than a buggy-rear end, unfinished, beta-quality piece of garbage. The recent overpriced DLC release, combined with the fact that we're guaranteed at least another three sets of "Future Content," just makes things more depressing.
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Mar 26, 2013 08:20
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ChickenHeart posted:It's still bad. nothing short of forcing the developers to rebuild the game from the ground-up will make this anything more than a buggy-rear end, unfinished, beta-quality piece of garbage. The recent overpriced DLC release, combined with the fact that we're guaranteed at least another three sets of "Future Content," just makes things more depressing. It's already on a markdown week on Steam (or had one, anyway), so at least this will join the pantheon of $5 games sooner than most.
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Mar 26, 2013 08:24
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:It's already on a markdown week on Steam (or had one, anyway), so at least this will join the pantheon of $5 games sooner than most. That's still $5 that could be spent on better games.
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Mar 26, 2013 08:29
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:This is because he doesn't have the George Lucas gene.
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Mar 26, 2013 08:39
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Xenomrph posted:I'm trying to remember the reason he gave for wanting to keep the film grain, I think it was something like "it makes it look like a vintage war movie" or something to that effect. I'll do some digging and see if I can find a quote or something. I'm sure I've heard him say something like this somewhere on the DVD super-special release in the bonus material. Something akin to not dicking around with digital tweaks in favour of preserving the film's gritty war movie feel.
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Mar 26, 2013 14:27
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Xaerael posted:I'm sure I've heard him say something like this somewhere on the DVD super-special release in the bonus material. Something akin to not dicking around with digital tweaks in favour of preserving the film's gritty war movie feel. As for 'Aliens', he said this: James Cameron posted:I just did a complete remaster of ‘Aliens’ personally, with the same colorist I worked on with ‘Avatar’. And it’s spectacular. We went in and we completely de-noised and de-grained it, up-rezzed it, color-corrected it end to end every frame. And it looks amazing. It looks better than it looked in theaters originally, because it was shot on a high-speed negative that was a new negative that didn’t pan out too well and got replaced the following year. So it was pretty grainy. We got rid of all the grain. It’s sharper and clearer and more beautiful than it’s ever looked. And we did that to the long version, to the “director’s cut” or the extended play. I call it the “FM Mix.” That’s dating myself! source The bluray still looks incredible, though:    Unlike the 'Predator' bluray where they cleaned it up and removed all the grain, and made everyone look like wax dolls in the process: 
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Mar 27, 2013 02:58
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Xenomrph posted:My mistake, he was talking about 'The Terminator' as being a "war movie" which is why he wanted to keep the film grain - he was given the same "remove the grain" option for 'The Terminator' and opted to leave much of the grain intact. Well, I'll be, that Aliens transfer looks OK. I would have expected everything to look like Predator. Cameron has talked extensively about how he thought Aliens was a Vietnam allegory, though.
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Mar 27, 2013 03:13
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Ahahahahaha Sega must now add disclaimers to their trailer footage as being representative of an unfinished product by the ASA. 
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Apr 3, 2013 20:14
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Like there will ever be another advert for A:CM  Even so, nice job asa.
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Apr 3, 2013 21:38
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Got drat, now I want to get the Predator Blu Ray just to see how awful everyone looks, because that picture of Arnold is hilarious.
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Apr 3, 2013 21:42
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Xenomrph posted:Unlike the 'Predator' bluray where they cleaned it up and removed all the grain, and made everyone look like wax dolls in the process: Mostly everything scanned from film is kept grainy, no one (in the right mind) removes the grain because it always looks like poo poo.
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Apr 3, 2013 23:06
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Sire Oblivion posted:Mostly everything scanned from film is kept grainy, no one (in the right mind) removes the grain because it always looks like poo poo. what was once considered a flaw in filmmaking is now considered a style.
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Apr 3, 2013 23:52
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Photex posted:what was once considered a flaw in filmmaking is now considered a style. The point is that you remove grain from a film by choosing film stock that won't show it. Once it's there it's there, you're not going to remove it in post without loving up the image in other ways.
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Apr 4, 2013 00:24
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Photex posted:what was once considered a flaw in filmmaking is now considered a style. sethsez posted:The point is that you remove grain from a film by choosing film stock that won't show it. Once it's there it's there, you're not going to remove it in post without loving up the image in other ways. Yeah a grainier stock would often be intentionally chosen to hide lots of effects shots as an example. A good example would be James Cameron choosing super 35 for Aliens. In general it's not a "flaw" as much as it is a preservation issue. When the Alien quadrilogy first came out on DVD as an example the transfers were a HUGE deal, not because they made it look better by removing "a flaw in filmaking" but because through a lot of good work, a DVD was able to make Alien and Aliens look ALMOST as clear and good as they do on those originally selected film stock as seen in a theater. We act like DVD/Blu-Ray/digital stuff is better by default because it's newer but the fact is that it and not digital delivery is here because it's cheaper. With Aliens on DVD it was a huge deal just it didn't become a blurry mess during the "futile escape" sequence since everything is dark, red and black, something it was just a given DVDs couldn't handle until that quadrilogy release came out. The idea that just plain removing the film grain completely is somehow a good way to correct stuff is crazy (as that Predator comparison should show). Another good example is when Macross stuff started to come out on DVD. The original transfers were so clean that a lot of shortcuts and tricks in the animation were now clearly viewable and made everything look off, so they actually have, for lack of a better term, a "VHS filter" they had to add on to make it look as it did when they were originally broadcast. Look at how much flak this Aliens game is getting even, for their lack of understanding of lighting and grain (which is odd since there were a lot of earlier screenshots where it was clear they were trying to imitate Alien's film look very closely instead of just slapping on a filter). Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Apr 4, 2013 |
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For anyone still interested in this horrible game, here's a good comparison of the original demo, the initial release of the game and what it looks like now after the four gig patch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm8Yc2fEvHk&hd=1 It looks like they actually did some work? Obviously not to the horrible story but maybe the gameplay got maybe better and the lighting and textures at least look improved.
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Apr 4, 2013 14:57
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Us poor Wii U owners will never be able to experience this game as it was truly meant to be experienced https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAHXsCtTFVw I love the bullshit little disclaimer at the beginning and how it's obviously using the high-end PC fake demo.
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Apr 5, 2013 19:06
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Calaveron posted:Us poor Wii U owners will never be able to experience this game as it was truly meant to be experienced Honestly, I call this a good outcome. Sega just saved all those Wii-U players (all four of them) from having their expectations crushed by an awful, awful game. On that note, anyone up for some TDM? The pubs are just as susceptible to SPOOKS now as they were at launch.
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Apr 6, 2013 00:51
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ChickenHeart posted:Honestly, I call this a good outcome. Sega just saved all those Wii-U players (all four of them) from having their expectations crushed by an awful, awful game. I would be, but I wont be home for another hrs. We should pub stomp more often.
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Apr 6, 2013 01:03
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Calaveron posted:Us poor Wii U owners will never be able to experience this game as it was truly meant to be experienced This is a plus for the WiiU in the console wars, right?
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Bruceski posted:This is a plus for the WiiU in the console wars, right? Honestly, it really is a bullet dodged for people who own that system.
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There would have been no real advantage to having A:CM on the Wii U, except maybe to use the entire game pad as the Alien radar scanner, pinging away as they got closer, then you could have some fun with adding a whole load more aliens or just have it go off out of nowhere and then stop suddenly.
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Apr 6, 2013 13:21
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PowerBeard posted:There would have been no real advantage to having A:CM on the Wii U, except maybe to use the entire game pad as the Alien radar scanner, pinging away as they got closer, then you could have some fun with adding a whole load more aliens or just have it go off out of nowhere and then stop suddenly. Some leaked info from testers told that it was the worst version of the game, visually and mechanically. The gamepad was used to do a bunch of minigames for closing doors or such.
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 I could see myself trying to fleeing through a level, come to a door, and only realise I'm supposed to use the pad after I'm killed.
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Apr 8, 2013 08:20
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'Swipe across the pad to close the door.' ...Yuck.
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Apr 9, 2013 02:08
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New patch.... that's already been pulled from Steam because it broke the game for most people  It's the film grain toggle that was promised ages ago, that a modder had a fix for within a few hours, and they've locked down some (most? tough to tell when people can't even launch the game) of the ability to mod the game. It's fantastic.
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Apr 10, 2013 00:41
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Shyfted One posted:New patch.... that's already been pulled from Steam because it broke the game for most people The games life cycle is long since dead and it's still giving!
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Apr 10, 2013 01:07
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The best part about this patch is everyone flipping out about their placebo .ini fixes going away.
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Apr 10, 2013 01:09
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pixelbaron posted:The best part about this patch is everyone flipping out about their placebo .ini fixes going away. Yeah, the fact that any of them believe that the AI could be improved through the ini files is pretty hilarious. Still 3 more pieces of DLC to go!
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Apr 10, 2013 01:12
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Not the NHL GDT... sorry Let's just pretend it was an accidental double post
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Apr 10, 2013 01:13
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SSJ Reeko posted:Some leaked info from testers told that it was the worst version of the game, visually and mechanically. The gamepad was used to do a bunch of minigames for closing doors or such. If the game was better designed, I would have been down with using the gamepad to 'hack' the doors when you rip open those panels. The simple act of opening and closing not so much though.
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Apr 10, 2013 01:14
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sethsez posted:The point is that you remove grain from a film by choosing film stock that won't show it. Once it's there it's there, you're not going to remove it in post without loving up the image in other ways. Exactly, and grain in film is part of the beauty of it because it's an organic format. I work in post production and everyone, mostly the guys scanning the film love the grain. They love the grit. The worst is when someone "degrains" the film because it's just a filter they run over all of the film and it's nasty. Added grain (which just looks like noise) is awful as well too.
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Shyfted One posted:Still 3 more pieces of DLC to go! There's no way they're going through with all 3 DLC packs. They'll just claim that The Horde DLC is was always worth $29.99 or whatever they were asking for and cut their loses.
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PowerBeard posted:There's no way they're going through with all 3 DLC packs. They'll just claim that The Horde DLC is was always worth $29.99 or whatever they were asking for and cut their loses. If they did that they would be sued for false advertising and not have a legal leg to stand on. I think it's much more likely that they'll just half rear end the remaining DLCs.
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Chomp8645 posted:If they did that they would be sued for false advertising and not have a legal leg to stand on. I think it's much more likely that they'll just half rear end the remaining DLCs. $10 multiplayer skinpack DLC, here we come!
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