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Doctor Spaceman posted:There is a famous Truffaut statement about there being no such thing as an anti-war film. He's full of poo poo.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:There is a famous Truffaut statement about there being no such thing as an anti-war film. I was going to make a facetious argument about The Day After being impossible to argue being "pro-war", but then I looked at the clip and that is sure some destruction. And plus anything that shows America taking a serious blow is just ment to drum up jingoism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VG2aJyIFrA So lets have a serious pro-war movie staring John Wayne.
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quote:Trans stuff Fractal Cat posted:It gets better, for rich white cis dudes. The rest of us can gently caress ourselves I guess? Augh, there's a local group that's putting on a day of recording video for the Trevor Project soon and I still haven't found the words to explain to the person organizing it that it, in fact, does not get better.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPzGE7-DnOY The only reason I'm listing this as D&D is because the guy says on National TV: "Yeah, I'm going home with half a million bucks but one of us is still going to have to work for medical insurance." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8bCuNiJ-NI&t=335s I can't help but think "Libertarians" at this part. Sephiroth_IRA fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Apr 5, 2013 |
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Doctor Spaceman posted:There is a famous Truffaut statement about there being no such thing as an anti-war film. He's right because no studio wants to produce such a thing.
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Orange_Lazarus posted:I haven't seen platoon because the way people talk about it it always sounds like a pro-war movie. Tom Berenger's performance is pretty amazing. He is absolutely terrifying and represents, I think quite well, the sort of military mindset of people dealing with a modern war with blurred lines between civilian and soldier as well as politics and war. Someone who is given tremendous authority and power over life and death but also blinded to the consequences of his brutal actions beyond his immediate surroundings. I can see where a soldier would see Barnes as "badass" while completely missing the moral of the story. Edit: I'm currently reading "A Savage War of Peace" about the Algerian War of Independence and at a certain point in the conflict the French military takes over control of every aspect of it and tries to win the situation militarily, ultimately drumming up support for increased resistance. Mauser fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Apr 5, 2013 |
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Zeroisanumber posted:He's full of poo poo.
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Given the kinds of films that get made through independent channels I don't think that's the limiting factor. To me his statement has the most truth in that some sections of the audience will always misinterpret or overvalue certain aspects. Movies like Gallipoli show it really clearly; the ending is a pointless over-the-top charge in a war filled with them, but the solidarity and camaraderie in the soldiers still has a romantic appeal. I think Truffaut was wrong, but you need to get away from movies with soldiers as the protagonists to really see the best examples. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0Ankn-AzC4
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I don't know how you could watch Stalingrad and not think it's very very anti-war. The Germans are very good at war films, it's taken them a few tries but I think they've finally figured out there's nothing glorious or good about war. Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Apr 5, 2013 |
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Not pictured: IAVA, which has been calling for Shinseki's head
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Guilty posted:"White women who want to become white men" is the worst description of feminism I've ever heard, and reinforces the point that feminism is needed more than ever. Why the hell should being a white male be a desirable thing to be? (Question is 'should', not 'is') "Women who want to become men " sounds like a bullshit reactionary MRA criticism of all feminists. "White women who want to become white men" sounds like a specifically womanist complaint about the exclusion of women of color from second-wave feminism, highlighting the perception that white women wanted to become equally oppressive as white men, rapidly followed by FYGM.
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Orange_Lazarus posted:I haven't seen platoon because the way people talk about it it always sounds like a pro-war movie. You should watch it and form your own opinion as to whether it's pro or anti war. Even when I was a war mongering little Republican I thought it was hosed up. Watching it again recently from a new perspective was actually kind of difficult. But I'm a huge pussy, so don't listen to me too much.
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Here's some political photos with a deep personal connection. This is my grandpa, he is head of the Ukraine's veteran's org. He is 82 but still goes to work most days because he is too important to fully retire. He is having a meeting with this fellow, who you might recognize as the president of Ukraine. The topic of conversation was why Ukraine's veterans were not getting the support they needed, specially with Victory Day coming up. The minister for veteran affairs is this jerk on the right. Who has not been supportive enough of veterans for a very long time. My grandpa, a soldier, not a politician has always just sort of ignored it and didn't want to cause a fuss but did not respect the minister. But the president asked him flatly who was it who was not supporting his veterans and he had to reluctantly name names. The minister was promptly and publicly fired immediately, causing a bit of a scandal. Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Apr 5, 2013 |
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Truffauts comment was more about the limitations and posibilites of film. It's hard to make a horrible story compelling without generating some level of excitement for what's happening on-screen. How can you show the horrors of war without getting the adrenalin pumping? If you don't get the adrenalin pumping, is there not a risk of the viewer losing emotional attachment? And so on. There was an interesting interview with Wes Craven about "Last House on the Left" (not the remake), where he said he tried to make a film about violence that doesn't glorify it. When it first aired, some audiences got so upset they burned the film reel. He managed to confront people with violence and they hated him for it, so I think he succeded.
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Guilty posted:"White women who want to become white men" is the worst description of feminism I've ever heard, and reinforces the point that feminism is needed more than ever. Why the hell should being a white male be a desirable thing to be? (Question is 'should', not 'is') Guavanaut posted:The depiction of feminism as being something that doesn't care about intersectionality, or about the differing experiences of patriarchy by race, is something that has long been a criticism of the mainstream feminist movement. To add to this, there is the class element to it. The needs of university educated white upper-middle class women do not always have to coincide with lower class working women and poo poo like "Women executives" and sexism in popular culture are pretty low on their list of priorities when they have to deal with lovely working conditions, racism and whatever. Language is also a problem. Privilege isn't loving simple and in my work with immigrant and working class women I've been able to use mine to try and leverage some good but poo poo is hard work sometimes and a lot of women, even if they fighting the good fight, don't seem to care enough about it to do something about it, while there never was a problem getting enough peeps to slutwalk (I was a corporate whore in a suit, btw) or protest against sexism of the cultural kind while letting the systemic abuse of immigrant and lower class women, well. Not slide. But still. Oh and FEMEN are rad 'cause they extreme and tits and don't give a poo poo. More than most fuckers can say.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Oh and FEMEN are rad 'cause they extreme and tits and don't give a poo poo. More than most fuckers can say. http://imgur.com/FfgiWh3
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The ending of Das Boot for those who are curious why people consider it a good anti war movie. If you haven't seen the whole film yet, do it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LQCRM31asM The ending to Stalingrad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoBm48re6f4
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Baronjutter posted:stuff Your grandpa is a cool dude. This guy is gone.
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Guavanaut posted:"Women who want to become men " sounds like a bullshit reactionary MRA criticism of all feminists. "Man is defined as a human being and a woman as a female - whenever she behaves as a human being she is said to imitate the male." - Simone de Beauvoir Der Untergang is another anti-war movie. It helps that it's not from the perspective of a soldier, it's about Hitler's secretary and other civilians caught up in the war. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdqaZNfs1mk
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From SolFed's website:
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Strif-ah Ker-not posted:From SolFed's website: Picture:
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I'm not trying to say that being a women is as easy as being a man, but this is a really stupid picture.
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Crossposting from GiP:Rimjin-gang posted:<Photo Report> - 5 - Debilitated Soldiers -
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Listening to people talk about feminism like the last thirty years never happened is depressing as hell. Pope Guilty fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Apr 5, 2013 |
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Oh look it's forums crazy person caro.
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Former pretty good friend just 'shared' this on Facebook: I'm not even sure where to begin to address such a disconnect from reality.
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Luminous Cow posted:You should watch it and form your own opinion as to whether it's pro or anti war. Even when I was a war mongering little Republican I thought it was hosed up. Watching it again recently from a new perspective was actually kind of difficult. But I'm a huge pussy, so don't listen to me too much. I wonder how many people knew that those in that photo were some of the 7,600 Australia troops in Vietnam. A Capital Mechanized Infantry Division soldier in Vietnam, one of the 50,000 South Koreans soldiers in the war.
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Not that anyone here needs to be told that PETA is lovely organization. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathan-j-winograd/peta-kills-puppies-kittens_b_2979220.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009
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Miltank posted:Not that anyone here needs to be told that PETA is lovely organization. And yet I'm not allowed to fight roosters...
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Gozinbulx posted:And yet I'm not allowed to fight roosters... Well, you can, but only if they come charging right at you. Also, I think if you arrange it with the rooster beforehand it counts as Mutual Combat.
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I saw a cockfight in Bali once. It was disgusting. gently caress everyone who is involved in poo poo like this. Edit: vvv I love you. vvv Lucy Heartfilia fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Apr 6, 2013 |
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The Mercatus Institute, last week, published their Freedom in the 50 States rankings. Top of the list? North Dakota. The same North Dakota who, that week, enacted the most restrictive abortion laws in the country.
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War bond propaganda megapost incoming (If anyone wants to save any of these in a huge size just remove the l from the end of url of the pic)
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Beats Mushrooms posted:I can't tell if you're being serious with this. Necronomiconomist posted:Former pretty good friend just 'shared' this on Facebook: Pope Guilty posted:Listening to people talk about feminism like the last thirty years never happened is depressing as hell.
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Nice pictures man! Great book about the actual extent of American war crimes perpetrated in Vietnam. Main point is that they were way more common than most people think, the whole issue was brushed under the rug and the Mai Lai massacre was only one case that actually came out and even then only one soldier was convicted and served exactly no time in jail. Pretty good Bennett, I actually cringed looking at this cartoon and that's exactly the proper response
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