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NihilCredo posted:Quite frankly, the way Rich clarified the spell working doesn't make sense and would have killed every dragon and human and any species that can mate with them, or who can mate with a species that can mate with them, and so forth. So basically the majority of sentient life. Well drat... I didn't want to come right out and say it like THAT.
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NihilCredo posted:By that same logic, Tarquin would have also died, and Elan, and Elan's mother, and Elan's mother's siblings, and Elan's cousins. And repeat all of that for Tarquin's family tree, and all the trees of the spouse of anyone in that tree, repeat forever. No. Step one: Kill the target and everyone the target was related to directly. Step two: Kill everyone who had kids with one of the people killed. Step three: Kill everyone directly related to those people. There is no recursion beyond that. Tarquin and Elan would be safe. Although the spell really should have more of an effect, I assume that it was greatly mitigated by Black Dragons' and Draketooths' particular lifestiles and choice of partners.
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NihilCredo posted:
That's exactly what Rich said the spell doesn't do. It kills everyone who shared a blood relationship with the dragon, kills everyone who shares a relationship with them, then stops. So Penelope's child would have been killed, as it was a Draketooth descendent and so is related to mumdragon. Penelope is not related to the dragon, but shares a blood relationship with her child, so she dies too. Same applies to a hypothetical child of her and Tarquin. Tarquin does not share a blood relationship with Penelope's Draketooth child, so he lives. Ditto for Elan and the rest of his family.
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If you go back and look at the panels when V is having his breakdown over it, you can see it killed quite a swath of people.TheWorstAtWords posted:That doesn't explain Ian not getting hit though, unless she's only related to the Draketooths on her mother's side of the family.
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my dad posted:No. It's definitely problematic. V says the spell kills eveyone of the black dragon's blood, and then everyone that shared blood with the black dragon's blood. Then V goes onto give examples of people dying who actually do not share blood with the black dragons blood, but merely have a blood relationship with the person who shared blood with the black dragon. If the spell reaches these people, there is no clear delineation on where it would stop. If it reaches the parent and all the parents' children and their children, the why not the grandparents and their siblings and decendents, and so forth, since all of these people share blood with the person who shared blood with the dragon.
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Gee I hope Rich is feeling OK. Vvv exactly. You are all literally arguing over the exact parameters of 'a wizard did it'. sebmojo fucked around with this message at 12:24 on Apr 5, 2013 |
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Grogquock posted:It's definitely problematic. V says the spell kills eveyone of the black dragon's blood, and then everyone that shared blood with the black dragon's blood. Then V goes onto give examples of people dying who actually do not share blood with the black dragons blood, but merely have a blood relationship with the person who shared blood with the black dragon. If the spell reaches these people, there is no clear delineation on where it would stop. If it reaches the parent and all the parents' children and their children, the why not the grandparents and their siblings and decendents, and so forth, since all of these people share blood with the person who shared blood with the dragon. It keeps going until the magic runs out.
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Grogquock posted:It's definitely problematic. V says the spell kills eveyone of the black dragon's blood, and then everyone that shared blood with the black dragon's blood. Then V goes onto give examples of people dying who actually do not share blood with the black dragons blood, but merely have a blood relationship with the person who shared blood with the black dragon. If the spell reaches these people, there is no clear delineation on where it would stop. If it reaches the parent and all the parents' children and their children, the why not the grandparents and their siblings and decendents, and so forth, since all of these people share blood with the person who shared blood with the dragon. They'd probably be killed too. It seems that realisation hasn't hit V yet; possibly because they've mainly interacted with people from the Western continent where hundreds of people disappearing without cause isn't particularly unusual.
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I wish everyone having this argument had been related to Draketooth.
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Noah posted:
Under his beard? For the record I have no idea if Ian and Haley are draketooths or not. I'm just playing devil's advocate. To those objecting on the grounds of D&D mechanics though, plot and character development tops an unofficial ruleset every time. I fully expect Rich to ignore your rulebooks if it comes down to "the rules" or a good story he wants to tell.
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sebmojo posted:Gee I hope Rich is feeling OK. Someone got spoiled by the 10-in-a-row-athon.
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Alchenar posted:It keeps going until the magic runs out. It kills CL2 x 100 Hitdice worth of relatives.
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Mystic Mongol posted:It kills CL2 x 100 Hitdice worth of relatives. It was completely in jest, but that is literally how DnD magic works. The spell keeps going until the magic runs out. Roll a dice to see how long until the magic runs out. That's the only answer you need to be happy about the consistency of the comic in relation to something the author has outright said he doesn't care about being consistent with (or internal inconsistency with the scope of the spell).
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terminal mehmet posted:Someone got spoiled by the 10-in-a-row-athon. At least it's not Goblins.
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Gosh I sure hope Rich is okay and didn't strain his hand or something when he did the marathon. 
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Please, please don't begin the ritual of Goblins. Don't open the Goblinomicon. It's not worth it. Some prices are too high.
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Spiderdrake posted:Please, please don't begin the ritual of Goblins. Don't open the Goblinomicon. It's not worth it. Some prices are too high. I can't help but read it in Wonka's voice so 
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Pages of arguing about an already-hashed-to-mince spell and then a Goblins post.  Stop making it look like there's an update!
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TheFuzzyLumpkin posted:Pages of arguing about an already-hashed-to-mince spell and then a Goblins post. You're contributing to the problem now, too. ONE OF US 
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Hahaha goblins is just so bad. He at least used to try a tell a story, when he was a worse artist. Now it got like 8 story lines going and takes months before you switch to another one. But it doesn't matter what storyline you are on every scene is tits and gore. He might as well make it a 18+ comic and sell it as porn.
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Shwqa posted:Hahaha goblins is just so bad. He at least used to try a tell a story, when he was a worse artist. Now it got like 8 story lines going and takes months before you switch to another one. But it doesn't matter what storyline you are on every scene is tits and gore. To be fair, the latest Goblins comic currently up on the site contains no tits, and barely any gore. Because it's a GIANT WALL OF loving TEXT DaveWoo fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Apr 5, 2013 |
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DaveWoo posted:To be fair, the latest Goblins comic currently up on the site contains no tits, and barely any gore. A giant wall of text talking about the 1 time characters that were in a page full of gore and tits. He is seriously trying to have a battle royale, but with every other picture being a wall of text talking about the background of alternative reality characters. It is so awkwardly paced and full of gore, tits, and hints of tentacle rape (god I wish I was making that up). So basically is a perfect analogy for what the rest of the comic is like.
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Each time I look at the Goblins site I end up disliking Thunt a bit more. Between the cringe-worthy TL;DR essay on dwarven women's beards (which reads just like that thing from deranged Mass Effect fans about Tali's sweat) and people crafting their armor out of "sexy cats", he really is at the top of his form. Can't we talk about something else? I'm sure there are other bad D&D webcomics that aren't as repulsive as Goblins.
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DaveWoo posted:To be fair, the latest Goblins comic currently up on the site contains no tits, and barely any gore. Haven't read Goblins myself, but I'm guessing the problem is that they are bad walls of text that don't engage or interest, so you should probably rag that guy for that. e: which is exactly what Shwqa has done while I was writing this post 
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You know, not to pour lube on the clusterfuck or anything, but I find myself thinking of that strip from quite a while ago, when Haley's voice was screwed up. One of the things she was going to say to Elan was something like "I may not be one hundred percent--" and she gets cut off. There was a lot of speculation at the time about what she meant to say. I wonder if this is going to be payoff for that and what she was going to say was "human."
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NihilCredo posted:Honestly, complaining about "walls of text" in this thread comes off as pretty funny. I think OotS averages out at around three speech balloons per panel. Yeah. I've said it in at least one mock thread recently, but "walls of text" in comics aren't offputting if the author can write. I mean, it's not like anyone over the age of 8 looks at a book and says "holy poo poo this page is just a bunch of text", it's "holy poo poo this guy is a terrible author." Rich is not terrible
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Cat Mattress posted:Can't we talk about something else? I'm sure there are other bad D&D webcomics that aren't as repulsive as Goblins. As you wish. Personally, I'm quite enjoying the 4E sprite comic Will Save World for Gold. It does the best thing you can do with Fourth Edition, especially now that even WotC has abandoned it, which is relentlessly mock it. If Order of the Stick is taking too long to update, you can do worse in getting your D&D in comic form than WSWfG.
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NihilCredo posted:Honestly, complaining about "walls of text" in this thread comes off as pretty funny. I think OotS averages out at around three speech balloons per panel. The problem with Goblins is best illustrated in two concurrent pages:  
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Ursine Asylum posted:Yeah. I've said it in at least one mock thread recently, but "walls of text" in comics aren't offputting if the author can write. I mean, it's not like anyone over the age of 8 looks at a book and says "holy poo poo this page is just a bunch of text", it's "holy poo poo this guy is a terrible author." Yeah, the "wall of text" quasi-complaint has always struck me as the complainant saying, "I have no attention span." If it's a lot of irritating or boring words, sure, but just being a lot of words? That's on you, sport.
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jng2058 posted:As you wish. Personally, I'm quite enjoying the 4E sprite comic Will Save World for Gold. It does the best thing you can do with Fourth Edition, especially now that even WotC has abandoned it, which is relentlessly mock it. If Order of the Stick is taking too long to update, you can do worse in getting your D&D in comic form than WSWfG. WotC abandoned 4th Ed already? Jeez.
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Spiderdrake posted:Please, please don't begin the ritual of Goblins. Don't open the Goblinomicon. It's not worth it. Some prices are too high. The Nekrogoblicon?
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jng2058 posted:As you wish. Personally, I'm quite enjoying the 4E sprite comic Will Save World for Gold. It does the best thing you can do with Fourth Edition, especially now that even WotC has abandoned it, which is relentlessly mock it. If Order of the Stick is taking too long to update, you can do worse in getting your D&D in comic form than WSWfG. Black text in purple bubbles on black background with sprites
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rotinaj posted:WotC abandoned 4th Ed already? Jeez. You hadn't heard? Yeah, they've been playtesting 5E, or "D&D Next" as they're calling it, since last year. The final 4E product came out last August, I think. 5E hits stores in '14. Apparently a game generation is four to six frikkin' years these days, depending on whether you want to count it from 4E's release in '08 to its demise in '12 or to its replacement by 5E in '14.
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Wanderer posted:Yeah, the "wall of text" quasi-complaint has always struck me as the complainant saying, "I have no attention span." If it's a lot of irritating or boring words, sure, but just being a lot of words? That's on you, sport. I think it's more that it's a cartoon and not a novel. Hell, making an image of words isn't even the best way to get words on the internet by a long shot.
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jng2058 posted:You hadn't heard? Yeah, they've been playtesting 5E, or "D&D Next" as they're calling it, since last year. The final 4E product came out last August, I think. 5E hits stores in '14. Apparently a game generation is four to six frikkin' years these days, depending on whether you want to count it from 4E's release in '08 to its demise in '12 or to its replacement by 5E in '14. I haven't been following WotC for a while. I didn't like the direction they were taking stuff for 4th ed, and tuned out. What, when the nerds ragepost on message boards, they take that as a failure or something?
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Probably had more to do with Pathfinder's market share, if I had to guess. Plus most of the 4E guys got laid off in December of 2011, so you could see it coming even back then.
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jng2058 posted:As you wish. Personally, I'm quite enjoying the 4E sprite comic Will Save World for Gold. It does the best thing you can do with Fourth Edition, especially now that even WotC has abandoned it, which is relentlessly mock it. If Order of the Stick is taking too long to update, you can do worse in getting your D&D in comic form than WSWfG. Art-wise it's a bit too simplistic, even for sprite comics (but maybe I have set my "pixel art" standard too high); but the plotting and writing isn't bad.
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jng2058 posted:Probably had more to do with Pathfinder's market share, if I had to guess. Plus most of the 4E guys got laid off in December of 2011, so you could see it coming even back then. That's a shame. 4E was the most fun I had playing D&D since the 80's.
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Cat Mattress posted:Art-wise it's a bit too simplistic, even for sprite comics (but maybe I have set my "pixel art" standard too high); but the plotting and writing isn't bad. 8-bit vs 16-bit sensibilities, but I agree...the art ain't great. But hey, I do like the writing, so I'll stick around for that. All depends on how much you want out of a strip vis a vis art v. writing. Soonmot posted:That's a shame. 4E was the most fun I had playing D&D since the 80's. Eh, there's no reason you can't keep playing it. You'll lose Character Builder support, but other than that all the books are still viable. You never have upgrade to the newest edition, no matter what the game companies tell you. Hell, if that weren't the case, Pathfinder (which is just D&D 3.5 with a new coat of paint) wouldn't be such a big deal and 4E would still be the undisputed master of the realm. Play what you wanna play, and don't let the suits dictate what's at your table. Me, I ran a 4E campaign from '08 through the end of '11, and once things got to the Epic levels, 4E became increasingly broken. Combat wasn't challenging enough unless I threw ridiculously tough monsters or lots of monsters, and in either case that meant combat slowed to a crawl. Plus, the lack of non-combat support in the game made it so virtually every problem was dealt with by a fight because that was all the player characters were good at. 5E may end up being my game come '14, but for now I'm running a Pathfinder campaign and a Song of Ice & Fire campaign, and both are working just find for me and my groups. jng2058 fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Apr 5, 2013 |
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