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Yep. I really hate Gorst but think he's a fantastic character, for pretty much those reasons.
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That scene where Gorst tries to strange Finree's actual lover (who is a legitmately good person), being rather nonchalant about it and thinking how this is justice while the stuff he does on the battlefield is just murder was a really brilliant scene. I love Gorst but he's a seriously goony, hosed up person.
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02-6611-0142-1 posted:Gorst and Morveer are goon heroes because they are asperger's as gently caress. I love this because this guy's impossibly goon-stereotype post is three up from that: Space Pussy posted:Yeah, it's basically the Catholic Church vs Wall Street. gently caress em' both. Gorst is a brilliantly written character. I think Abercrombie does a great job writing awful people but at least making them appear likable, if just for a time.
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Apr 3, 2013 02:55
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The best part of Gorst is with Jezal in TFL where he seems like a nice guy, happily raising Jezal above his shoulders after losing the contest. You have to wonder if the character was so hosed up the whole time or if the events in TFL helped shape it. I'd love to see how the character would react to knowing the truth of that whole event too.
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Apr 3, 2013 21:12
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nutranurse posted:Man, I The Heroes taught me to absolutely hate Gorst. Abercrombie did a good job of explaining his character and letting us see why Gorst is Gorst, but Jesus he's just a rabid attack dog with few redeeming features. All he does is lust after Finree in the gooniest possible way. To him she's not even a person, just a pretty idea for his spank bank. I love how Abercrombie subverts the hero trope with Gorst because, were we to not see into Gorst's mind, he would seem like a kind of tragic hero. tl;dr, I agree, no one writes about evil characters doing good and good characters doing evil like Abercrombie. The tortured soul is his expertise. Also, any chance we could get the OP updated with Red Country?
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Apr 5, 2013 21:25
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Yeah, I've been meaning to update the OP for ages, honestly. I'm just lazy - I'll get round to it soon.
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...Say he's reviewing video games. http://www.joeabercrombie.com/2013/03/28/tomb-raider/ I can't wait for the Bioshock: Infinite review. I loved and hated that game, it will be interesting to hear the thoughts of a dude that is good at plots.
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Apr 5, 2013 22:39
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My favourite thing about that review is the little exchange in the comments where Joe locks down the 'she has a hot arse' stuff very quickly.
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Apr 5, 2013 22:46
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cheese posted:I think I read into the Gorst character a different way. Basically what I ended up with is that Gorst lost it all in the fire and while he did lust after Finree, she has become some kind of symbol of the life he had/could have had and what he has now. Its not just about a hot girl who he wanted to marry and now never can, its about the status and respect he had as an elite officer, the honor of his title and family ancestry, etc. Its all gone and Gorst has convinced himself in his despair and madness that if he can somehow win Finree, through martial prowess (the only way he knows how), he can win it all back. But the fall has poisoned Gorst. He can no longer find the honor and glory in fighting and killing, and its soured into simple murder done so he can regain what he probably doesn't even want.. That's really interesting, I never thought about it that way. I asked this before, but I heard that one edition of The Heroes had a short story about Gorst in it. Anyone have that edition and can tell what it's about?
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Apr 5, 2013 23:19
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Yeah - I've posted about it in this thread before. It's called Yesterday, At A Village Called Barden... and is about what happened to Gorst immediately prior to the events of The Heroes - just a skirmish he's involved with and 'distinguishes himself' in. It's pretty good but nothing earth-shattering. Updated the OP, finally. Only about two years after I first intended to do so.
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My mental image of Logen is a lot meaner and uglier-looking. That one is too Generic Fantasy Hero.
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Apr 6, 2013 15:48
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Insufficiently barbaric.
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Too handsome. I always figured Logen looked like three miles of bad road.
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Has there ever been a sci-fi/fantasy graphic novel made that didn't look like an anime?
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FMguru posted:Too handsome. I always figured Logen looked like three miles of bad road. In fact, its explicitly stated several times in the books that his face is so messed up with scars that he is extremely ugly to look at.
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Yeah, that's no Logen. That's some Disney's pirate hero.
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The Facebook commenters mostly seem to agree. Assuming there really will be a graphic novel, I truly hope they will listen to the feedback.
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withak posted:Has there ever been a sci-fi/fantasy graphic novel made that didn't look like an anime? Most don't. Start with Conan adaptations from the 1970ies and work your way to the present from there. Don't forget the French stuff, they are the masters of SF graphic novels. The images posted look really bland, though.
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Jezal's description of Logen as he wanders around Adua should be the cornerstone of any visual depiction. A 6'6 horribly scarred manchild. I found it interesting none of the northerners described him as particularly large when he was loving gigantic by most people's standards. Neurosis fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Apr 6, 2013 |
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Apr 6, 2013 18:30
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You don't fight the bloody nine.. You get killed by him and that is it.
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Apr 6, 2013 18:41
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My biggest problem is that slight smirk. The bloody nine doesn't smirk, he's a sad/angry/lost sap and that reflects in his face. The only smile you see on Logen is that of the devil painted in red. Edit: Also, fingerless gloves, unstained band aids or arm wraps... and that belt buckle. Pessimisten fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Apr 6, 2013 |
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Apr 6, 2013 19:25
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The image I have of Logan is basically Ron Perlman.
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I loved every Abercrombie book, reread the series getting ready for red country, and the heroes is one of my favorite books of all time. I can't finish Red Country. I don't know why but I hate it. It's like there's a different author. I tried to get more than 1/3 of the way through twice and I can't. It's getting OK reviews too, I don't know what's wrong with me.
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Umph posted:I loved every Abercrombie book, reread the series getting ready for red country, and the heroes is one of my favorite books of all time. The second half is an improvement for what it's worth.
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Jeffrey posted:The second half is an improvement for what it's worth. I'll try again someday. It reads like Joe was just totally creatively drained so it makes it harder to read because I know how amazing of a writer he is. I think the Heroes made him one of the best fantasy novelists of all time and should be a guidebook on how to write effective fiction. The guy needs/deserves a rest. Maybe that's supposed to be caul or something. That can't be Logen. Logen is ugly as poo poo (even by northern standards) and that's what's so compelling about him. You don't even find out how ugly he is until hundreds of pages in. You think he's charming and handsome because of how intelligent his POV is, but then you find out he's trapped inside a giant lumbering butchered scarred hideous clumsy galoot. I mean he's Joes' character so he can be a swashbuckling handsome prince I guess but it completely betrays everything about the entire universe he's created in every way ever possible for all of eternity. e; Unless it's a young Logen! That might work. He had some experience with women before his face was cut off 12 times, he was arrogant, and he even had a family so it could be a Logen back story, which would be neat. ex2; Also he's not missing any fingers, so I bet it is a young Logen. I don't think cannon argues against Logen being comely as a young man. ex3; Yeah he def has all 10 fingers, it's young Logen. 
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That page layout definitely made me think of The Blade Itself's opening battle with the Shanka, otherwise I would also take comfort in thinking that is the young version. Of course everyone who reads the books has their own image of what the characters look like, and visualizations are bound to disappoint some, but that drawing just doesn't jive with the books at all and lots of people have said so. For some reason I've spent the past couple of minutes trying to draw up a comparison to the casting in Game of Thrones, but I can't really put my thoughts together properly and anyway it might be apples and oranges. I will say that The Hound is a lot closer to my idea of Logen.
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Umph posted:I'll try again someday. It reads like Joe was just totally creatively drained so it makes it harder to read because I know how amazing of a writer he is. I think the Heroes made him one of the best fantasy novelists of all time and should be a guidebook on how to write effective fiction. The guy needs/deserves a rest.
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Pierson posted:The image I have of Logan is basically Ron Perlman. I am psyched out of my mind at the prospect of The First Law being adapted into comics, but echoing what everyone else is saying about that drawing of Logen being completely off.
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Look at the top of the second picture. It's from The Blade Itself - Issue 1. If you'll allow me to get my  on 1. that dude's got 10 fingers 2. Logen has a "face like a whipped back" 3. that outfit is terrible in every way 4. Logen carries a broadsword, not a claymore. Doesn't really bode well in my opinion. I'm not in the target demographic for a graphic novel and I can count on one hand tolerable adaptions of fantasy stories outside of the medium of novels so I'm not really heartbroken. I think his books could have a pretty broad appeal so I hope this nets him some new readers and some cash. Hopefully this is a stepping stone to a party-based CRPG set in the First Law universe. 
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Vivoviparous posted:Hopefully this is a stepping stone to a party-based CRPG set in the First Law universe. I propose hack and slash action game starring Logan. It doesn't have to be canon at all, have Logan fight the Feared and Shivers and Bayaz and the Maker's dragon.
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Fire Safety Doug posted:Of course everyone who reads the books has their own image of what the characters look like I don't disagree at all, but you don't read Clifford the big red dog and then think he's a small green cat. The book is pretty specific and goes to enormous lengths to let us know that Logen is not a handsome person and doesn't cut a dashing figure. I know you're playing the devils advocate but, well, you know. That's why the reveal of him being quasi motto is so effective and such a masterstroke by Abercrombie, because he's such a kind and intelligent person (as long as no one is swinging an axe at his head). Honestly when the hints start dropping that he's monstrously disfigured it blew my mind on the first read through. Your mental image of Logen is eviscerated bit by bit until he arrives in Adua. He goes from generic roguish protagonist to deeply complicated puzzle. I don't usually care about this sort of thing but he's got to be my favorite fictional character of all time. Of course they could be doing something clever so while Logen is in first person you see him as prince dashing until seen from anothers' perspective, or the deficiencies don't show up in the artwork until they are revealed. That would be neat. Umph fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Apr 7, 2013 |
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Vivoviparous posted:Look at the top of the second picture. It's from The Blade Itself - Issue 1. If Abercrombie is involved at all odds are that isn't present-day Logen, then. There's probably a "Logen's childhood" sequence somewhere in the comic. Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Apr 7, 2013 |
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They just decided to write Logen Ninefingers under the picture for funsies.
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Jeffrey posted:I propose hack and slash action game starring Logan. It doesn't have to be canon at all, have Logan fight the Feared and Shivers and Bayaz and the Maker's dragon. Also yeah, that's Not Logen at all. I would probably browse through a terrible comic adaptation if I got the feel that Joe got to make the calls on what stuff looked like. My problem with his books is that I never know know what some stuff looks like. I want to see The Divider and some Shanka and practical Frost concept art, much like that incredible Art of Discworld book (though interestingly even that got Vimes wrong by Pterry's own admission).
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Pierson posted:The image I have of Logan is basically Ron Perlman. I usually go with Mickey Rourke's character from Sin City, Marv, but Perlman works well too.
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Lemon Curdistan posted:If Abercrombie is involved at all odds are that isn't present-day Logen, then. There's probably a "Logen's childhood" sequence somewhere in the comic. Odds are Joe sold the rights and doesn't have a tremendous amount of say over the specifics of the comic. Also, comic artists almost always draw the heroes as beautiful people.
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Ornamented Death posted:Odds are Joe sold the rights and doesn't have a tremendous amount of say over the specifics of the comic. Also, comic artists almost always draw the heroes as beautiful people. Don't see why he'd be parading it on his Facebook then.
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TheWorldIsSquare posted:Don't see why he'd be parading it on his Facebook then. That's a really stupid thing to say. Even if he sold the rights and gets nothing extra no matter how well the comic sells, he'd want it to do well because that puts him in a stronger bargaining position the next time someone wants to make something (comic, game, movie, whatever) based on his IP.
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Ornamented Death posted:That's a really stupid thing to say. Even if he sold the rights and gets nothing extra no matter how well the comic sells, he'd want it to do well because that puts him in a stronger bargaining position the next time someone wants to make something (comic, game, movie, whatever) based on his IP. Yeah that makes sense.
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