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December Octopodes
Dec 25, 2008

Christmas is coming
the squid is getting fat!
That blob in South America is Peru?

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Ammat The Ankh
Sep 7, 2010

Now, attempt to defeat me!
And I shall become a living legend!

December Octopodes posted:

That blob in South America is Peru?

Colombia, apparently placed there by FARC and drug cartels.

vvvvv I can see why they'd need so many shirts.

Ammat The Ankh fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Apr 8, 2013

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007



Goddamn, y'all.

Acute Grill
Dec 9, 2011

Chomp
I'll have to wear one of those with my "No Kangaroos in Austria" hat.


ElMaligno posted:


Disputes, I mean look at this loving hot mess. With with disputes like theese comes how to enact the law can be quite loving tricky.

And suddenly a lot of East Asian political friction makes way more sense. Between the histories of a lot of those nations and the hot mess that is general international negotiation, I'm surprised things aren't a lot more abrasive between nations.

TheImmigrant
Jan 18, 2011

Lycus posted:

Except for Afghanistan. That one's clear.

So is Cambodia.

eta: someone beat me to it.

TheImmigrant fucked around with this message at 13:16 on Apr 8, 2013

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band


:ssh: Margaret Thatcher is dead.

fermun
Nov 4, 2009
I'm cross-posting this from the Nuclear Weapons Thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3543097
Effects of 100 warheads of 15-20 kilotons being used in a regional conflict between India and Pakistan.

It would destroy a lot of agriculture, severely reduce growing seasons throughout the world.

edit: I have been informed that this might be based on a poor assumption of how much combustible material there is in cities of India and Pakistan.

fermun fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Apr 10, 2013

LP97S
Apr 25, 2008

fermun posted:

I'm cross-posting this from the Nuclear Weapons Thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3543097
Effects of 100 warheads of 15-20 kilotons being used in a regional conflict between India and Pakistan.

It would destroy a lot of agriculture, severely reduce growing seasons throughout the world.

edit: I have been informed that this might be based on a poor assumption of how much combustible material there is in cities of India and Pakistan.

It's just that they're using Hiroshima in some unspecified manner when concerned with the burn rate of a city. The problem is that a lot of Hiroshima was a lot more combustible than most cities owing to Japanese building construction at the time, but since they don't go into to much detail it's inconclusive. I'm sure factored that in, but still.

Gounads
Mar 13, 2013

Where am I?
How did I get here?

fermun posted:

I'm cross-posting this from the Nuclear Weapons Thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3543097
Effects of 100 warheads of 15-20 kilotons being used in a regional conflict between India and Pakistan.

It would destroy a lot of agriculture, severely reduce growing seasons throughout the world.

edit: I have been informed that this might be based on a poor assumption of how much combustible material there is in cities of India and Pakistan.

What's the unit of measure on the numbers? Is that some measure of radiation? Soot cover?

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

It must be some measure of soot in the air. Radiation wouldn't really hurt global crop growth much at all I don't think.

Benly
Aug 2, 2011

20% of the time, it works every time.

Gounads posted:

What's the unit of measure on the numbers? Is that some measure of radiation? Soot cover?

Reduction of incoming sunlight due to soot cover. 0.07 is a 7% reduction and so on. It doesn't sound like much but, well, it is.

Parachute
May 18, 2003
This might be a long shot, but do any of you guys work in GIS?

GreenCard78
Apr 25, 2005

It's all in the game, yo.
I'd like to but am not quite there yet, finishing up school.

Gounads
Mar 13, 2013

Where am I?
How did I get here?

Benly posted:

Reduction of incoming sunlight due to soot cover. 0.07 is a 7% reduction and so on. It doesn't sound like much but, well, it is.

Well, clearly this is our solution to global warming then?

Orange Fluffy Sheep
Jul 26, 2008

Bad EXP received

Gounads posted:

Well, clearly this is our solution to global warming then?

Tambora's eruption in 1815 caused the Year Without a Summer, resulting mass food shortages and a few hundred thousand people died.

Don't gently caress with atmospheric dust, is my point.

reignonyourparade
Nov 15, 2012

Gounads posted:

Well, clearly this is our solution to global warming then?

I've actually read claims, I don't know how legitimate they are, that global warming picked up when anti smog laws started getting passed, and that before that global warming was in part being countered by 'global darkening.'

Bird in a Blender
Nov 17, 2005

It's amazing what they can do with computers these days.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/3310_sun.html

That's a transcript of an episode from Nova where a climate scientist did some studies right after 9/11. All of the airplanes had been grounded for a couple days, leading to much clearer skies, and therefore warmer days.

quote:

DAVID TRAVIS: We found that the change in temperature range during those three days was just over one degree centigrade. And you have to realize that from a layman's perspective that doesn't sound like much, but from a climate perspective that is huge.

NARRATOR: The temperature range is the difference between the highest and the lowest temperatures in a 24-hour period. Usually, it stays much the same from day to day, even if the weather changes, but not this time. Travis had come across a new and powerful phenomenon, one which would call into question all our predictions about the future of our planet.

The trail that would lead to this extraordinary discovery of global dimming began 40 years ago, in Israel, with the work of Gerry Stanhill, a young English immigrant. Trained as a biologist, Gerry got a job helping to design irrigation systems. His task was to measure how strongly the sun shone over Israel.

DOCTOR GERALD STANHILL (Israel Ministry of Agriculture): It was important, for this work, to measure solar radiation, because that is the factor that basically determines how much water crops require.

NARRATOR: For a year, Gerry collected data from a network of light meters. The results were much as expected and were used to help design the national irrigation system. But, 20 years later, in the 1980s, Gerry decided to update his measurements. What he found stunned him.

GERALD STANHILL: Well, I was amazed to find that there was a very serious reduction in sunlight, the amount of sunlight in Israel. In fact, if we compare those very early measurements, in the 1950s, with the current measurements, there was a staggering 22 percent drop in the sunlight, and that really amazed me.

NARRATOR: A 22 percent drop in solar energy was simply massive. If it were true, surely the effects would be obvious to every Israeli. The figures were hard for other scientists to take seriously, so when Gerry published, his results were ignored.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

reignonyourparade posted:

I've actually read claims, I don't know how legitimate they are, that global warming picked up when anti smog laws started getting passed, and that before that global warming was in part being countered by 'global darkening.'

My dad's a climatologist and he says that that is a major reason why our temperatures have been going up so fast recently.

Granted, it's still a terrible way to combat climate change because we don't know how it will work, but it is a countering force.

Soviet Commubot
Oct 22, 2008


Another French map, percentage of votes for and against the European constitution treaty in 2005. Bluer means more votes for, redder means more votes against.

Farecoal
Oct 15, 2011

There he go

Soviet Commubot posted:

Another French map, percentage of votes for and against the European constitution treaty in 2005. Bluer means more votes for, redder means more votes against.

The what now? Why did France hate it?

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

Farecoal posted:

The what now? Why did France hate it?

Presumably they think their own constitution would be at risk from lovely regressive stuff from the UK or Austria.

Van5
Sep 9, 2011

Coohoolin posted:

Presumably they think their own constitution would be at risk from lovely regressive stuff from the UK or Austria.

Plus Gualism I presume?

Panas
Nov 1, 2009
It was the french left that pushed for it to be defeated. They saw it as an erosion of their values. Scandinavian countries also have a big problem with the EU when it comes to that as well. They see it as a threat to their way of life, a race to the bottom with the UK and Germany dragging them down

dilbertschalter
Jan 12, 2010

Panas posted:

It was the french left that pushed for it to be defeated. They saw it as an erosion of their values. Scandinavian countries also have a big problem with the EU when it comes to that as well. They see it as a threat to their way of life, a race to the bottom with the UK and Germany dragging them down

yes, this is what happened, except not at all. opposition to the eu treaties has a broad base in populism rather than any distinct ideological faction or party.

edit: just to be clear, iirc the left was indeed more opposed in france, but it wasn't anything even close to a bloc vote.

dilbertschalter fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Apr 13, 2013

Soviet Commubot
Oct 22, 2008


dilbertschalter posted:

yes, this is what happened, except not at all. opposition to the eu treaties has a broad base in populism rather than any distinct ideological faction or party.

edit: just to be clear, iirc the left was indeed more opposed in france, but it wasn't anything even close to a bloc vote.

Yup, both left and right opposed it for different reasons. The far left and much of the Socialist Party were against it because they were concerned that it would be used as a tool to enforce neo-liberalism and austerity while the right was against it because they don't want to give up any more of France's sovereignty. The leader of the "yes" side of the Socialist Party is the current President, who certainly doesn't seem to have anything against neo-liberalism :arghfist::france:

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
Former French president Valery Giscard d'Estaign was behind the treaty:

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Soviet Commubot posted:

Another French map, percentage of votes for and against the European constitution treaty in 2005. Bluer means more votes for, redder means more votes against.



Here's the Dutch version of the same map (only without gradations)


In the Netherlands the political center was for Europe, while the right and the left were against. The left was afraid of regressive neo-liberalism handed down by undemocratic bureaucrats, while the right is afraid of foreigners in general.

ekuNNN fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Apr 13, 2013

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
T O P

Both during Texas' admittance to the Union and after the Civil War, there were numerous proposals to divide Texas. Although most these suggestions were not taken seriously, the following proposals were the most popular:



This was proposed during the Texan Constitutional Convention of 1866. Eastern Texas was densely populated compared to its western counterpart. The suggestion to divide the state was meant to ensure the interests of Eastern settlers who had little in common, culturally, economically and politically, with their rural counterparts. It also would have sold the largely empty basin and range region to the United States. This proposal was rejected and countered with the suggestion below.



At the same Constitutional Convention, Elisha Pease proposed that a much larger chunk of western Texas be sold to the US, but the rest of Texas stay together. The proposal received some mild support and was sent to committee. However, the committee degenerated into fights and when the delegates tried to divide Texas into North, East, South, and West Texas. Further attempts to break the territory down led to the committee's disintegration.



In 1869, Radical Republicans proposed breaking Texas down into two states: Texas and Lincoln. Southern Texas was perceived as far more Unionist and was an attractive destination for northern settlers after the Civil War. This suggestion died in committee.



In 1870, another proposal was made for parts of Texas to be made territories, to be admitted as States according to Reconstruction plans. The plan reached the House floor but was voted down. However, the plan saw a brief resurgence in popularity in 1914 in a dispute over utilities.



West Texas was constantly neglected for state-level government attention during the early part of the 1900s and its influence minimized because of gerrymandering. With the revival of the 1870 plan, West Texan politicians appeared with a different suggestion. It was popularly received by West Texan residents and received significant news coverage. However, state lawmakers were able to negotiate a settlement and the issue died around 1915. It was the last serious proposal to divide Texas.

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post

I love all of those maps because they all left west Texas with no population or reason for anyone to ever want to go there. Just like today, but in its own state. But yet the West Texans were into it, so whatevs!

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Map of Aboriginal Australia

NLJP
Aug 26, 2004


Parachute posted:

This might be a long shot, but do any of you guys work in GIS?

A good friend of mine is an archaeologist who should be finishing his GIS course this year. Why?

Kuule hain nussivan
Nov 27, 2008

Parachute posted:

This might be a long shot, but do any of you guys work in GIS?
I've learned some GIS through working in archaeology.

Disclaimer: Not a good friend of the above poster.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
I do some GIS infrastructure inspection.

Disclaimer: I absolutely detest NLJP; I'm not a good friend of his either.

NLJP
Aug 26, 2004


Baloogan posted:

I do some GIS infrastructure inspection.

Disclaimer: I absolutely detest NLJP; I'm not a good friend of his either.

t:mad:

Also political map. Status of 'civilisation' around the world as reckoned by someone in 1826

Old James
Nov 20, 2003

Wait a sec. I don't know an Old James!

NLJP posted:

t:mad:

Also political map. Status of 'civilisation' around the world as reckoned by someone in 1826


The heavenly glow given to enlightened (Catholic and Protestant with White majorities) countries is a nice touch.

Lord Hydronium
Sep 25, 2007

Non, je ne regrette rien


Departments of French Algeria, until 1962 an integral part of the French nation.

Lord Hydronium fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Apr 14, 2013

Kegluneq
Feb 18, 2011

Mr President, the physical reality of Prime Minister Corbyn is beyond your range of apprehension. If you'll just put on these PINKOVISION glasses...

Kuule hain nussivan posted:

I've learned some GIS through working in archaeology.

Disclaimer: Not a good friend of the above poster.
I've learned enough about GIS through archaeology to know that if you have to ask, you are never going to understand the answer. It is a pretty awesome tool but it's definitely not particularly user friendly.

GreenCard78
Apr 25, 2005

It's all in the game, yo.

Kegluneq posted:

I've learned enough about GIS through archaeology to know that if you have to ask, you are never going to understand the answer. It is a pretty awesome tool but it's definitely not particularly user friendly.

What about GIS is not user friendly? Not saying that it is, just curious.

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe
I bet it is because a lot of the content creation/editing tools are written by database programmers for database programmers. If you aren't a database programmer then you probably have an uphill hike ahead of you before you really understand how things work.

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YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


NLJP posted:

Also political map. Status of 'civilisation' around the world as reckoned by someone in 1826

I'd posted a larger version of that back in page 5. It really owns, from Russia being wilderness with a few "enlightened" cities, to Ethiopia's "corrupt christianity". :allears:

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