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ThatBasqueGuy: Feb 14, 2013; someone introduce jojo to lazyb

The war changes are so awesome :neckbeard:

# ? Apr 12, 2013 20:45

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Punished Chuck: Dec 27, 2010

ThatBasqueGuy posted:

The war changes are so awesome

I'm most excited about the fact that they're making it more profitable to keep your armies consolidated, considering that's what I always did anyway. I know it's bad strategy and I take unnecessary attrition loss and it takes way longer to siege everything, but I'm always so paranoid that I'm going to split my army up and suddenly a bunch of rampaging hordes are going to charge out of nowhere and demolish them all before I can regroup them :ohdear:

It'll be nice to have my way of playing being the rewarding one and not the idiot way.

I'm interested to see what the new naval combat will be like, too. I usually never even really bothered with a navy since I never really enjoyed the naval aspect and generally focus on my land-based neighbors (even my US games just turn into beating up Mexico forever instead of going overseas). I'd only ever build up a navy if I had a specific need for one. Hopefully the combat tweaks will make it fun instead of just something I have to do sometimes.

I don't know if I can really blame Paradox, though, even in Total War I never bothered with navies until Empire made them fully playable. I guess I just don't have me sea legs. v :shobon:

# ? Apr 12, 2013 21:09

Nuclearmonkee: Jun 10, 2009

WeaponGradeSadness posted:

I'm most excited about the fact that they're making it more profitable to keep your armies consolidated, considering that's what I always did anyway. I know it's bad strategy and I take unnecessary attrition loss and it takes way longer to siege everything, but I'm always so paranoid that I'm going to split my army up and suddenly a bunch of rampaging hordes are going to charge out of nowhere and demolish them all before I can regroup them It'll be nice to have my way of playing being the rewarding one and not the idiot way.

I'm interested to see what the new naval combat will be like, too. I usually never even really bothered with a navy since I never really enjoyed the naval aspect and generally focus on my land-based neighbors (even my US games just turn into beating up Mexico forever instead of going overseas). I'd only ever build up a navy if I had a specific need for one. Hopefully the combat tweaks will make it fun instead of just something I have to do sometimes.

I don't know if I can really blame Paradox, though, even in Total War I never bothered with navies until Empire made them fully playable. I guess I just don't have me sea legs. vv

Shotgun occupation is annoying micromanagement anyways. Trying to split poo poo up everywhere while also moving actual combat stacks around to counter incursions is annoying at best. Having less more coherent armies instead of slavering and scattered infantry/guard hordes will be great. This expansion really does look like it will bring a lot to the game.

Nuclearmonkee fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Apr 12, 2013

# ? Apr 12, 2013 21:24

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

Pylons posted:

Presentism seems more like the right term.

Yeah, that might more correct. Guess I was too quick to jump the gun, probably because the term revisionism is so misunderstood.

WeaponGradeSadness posted:

I'm interested to see what the new naval combat will be like, too. I usually never even really bothered with a navy since I never really enjoyed the naval aspect and generally focus on my land-based neighbors (even my US games just turn into beating up Mexico forever instead of going overseas). I'd only ever build up a navy if I had a specific need for one. Hopefully the combat tweaks will make it fun instead of just something I have to do sometimes.

I don't know if I can really blame Paradox, though, even in Total War I never bothered with navies until Empire made them fully playable. I guess I just don't have me sea legs. vv

That's pretty much how I feel about navies as well, they're just a huge bother and in Victoria 2 I often completely ignore researching that poo poo at all. The changes to land warfare look pretty good though, and I suppose the naval changes might get me to give them another go. It would sometimes come in handy actually being able to attack your enemy on his home turf, and I guess the new changes to military access might make navies more vital.

# ? Apr 12, 2013 22:08

Hot Dog Day #82: Jul 5, 2003; Soiled Meat

Is removing the "manifest destiny" decision as easy as deleting the decision/event from the game's files? I'd love to play as Deseret or Texas in my first HoD game, but Manifest Destiny makes the game so terrible if you are trying to play as a minor nation in the lower 48

# ? Apr 12, 2013 22:27

Nuclearmonkee: Jun 10, 2009

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Yeah, that might more correct. Guess I was too quick to jump the gun, probably because the term revisionism is so misunderstood.

That's pretty much how I feel about navies as well, they're just a huge bother and in Victoria 2 I often completely ignore researching that poo poo at all. The changes to land warfare look pretty good though, and I suppose the naval changes might get me to give them another go. It would sometimes come in handy actually being able to attack your enemy on his home turf, and I guess the new changes to military access might make navies more vital.

Navies are great. They generate prestige just by existing and are a great place to sink your mountain of surplus cash.

# ? Apr 12, 2013 22:32

burnishedfume: Mar 8, 2011; You really are a louse...

Hot Dog Day #82 posted:

Is removing the "manifest destiny" decision as easy as deleting the decision/event from the game's files? I'd love to play as Deseret or Texas in my first HoD game, but Manifest Destiny makes the game so terrible if you are trying to play as a minor nation in the lower 48

I forgot to post this earlier, but here's a change you can make to the potential of the decision to make it so it can't be used if you're playing Mexico, Texas, California, Deseret, or Columbia:

code:

MEX = {
    ai = yes
}
CAL = {
    ai = yes
}
TEX = {
    ai = yes
}
DES = {
    ai = yes
}
CUL = {
    ai = yes
}

That should require all those nations being played by the AI in order for Manifest Destiny to be triggered. I prefer this solution to removing it because removing it will make the USA never expand like it did historically, while this just stops them if it means giving free cores against the player.

E:
The decision should be in /events/ACW.txt, so if you're playing with a mod, either mod their ACW file, copy the ACW file from vanilla into the mod's event folder and mod that, or make a simple mod that changes the decision.

# ? Apr 12, 2013 23:02

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

Nuclearmonkee posted:

Navies are great. They generate prestige just by existing and are a great place to sink your mountain of surplus cash.

Still takes for loving ever to built, and I don't want to build a bunch of stinky old wooden ships when everyone else is making dreadnoughts. Look, just let me have my irrational hatred of all things naval (in Paradox games). :colbert:

# ? Apr 12, 2013 23:13

Mandalay: Mar 16, 2007; WoW Forums Refugee

Nuclearmonkee posted:

Navies are great. They generate prestige just by existing and are a great place to sink your mountain of surplus cash.

What kind of tax rates are you using to get this mountain of surplus cash?

# ? Apr 12, 2013 23:42

Fister Roboto: Feb 21, 2008

DrProsek posted:

I forgot to post this earlier, but here's a change you can make to the potential of the decision to make it so it can't be used if you're playing Mexico, Texas, California, Deseret, or Columbia:
code:
MEX = {
    ai = yes
}
CAL = {
    ai = yes
}
TEX = {
    ai = yes
}
DES = {
    ai = yes
}
CUL = {
    ai = yes
}
That should require all those nations being played by the AI in order for Manifest Destiny to be triggered. I prefer this solution to removing it because removing it will make the USA never expand like it did historically, while this just stops them if it means giving free cores against the player.

E:
The decision should be in /events/ACW.txt, so if you're playing with a mod, either mod their ACW file, copy the ACW file from vanilla into the mod's event folder and mod that, or make a simple mod that changes the decision.

Or you could simplify that down and put "ai = no" in the potential clause.

# ? Apr 12, 2013 23:46

burnishedfume: Mar 8, 2011; You really are a louse...

Fister Roboto posted:

Or you could simplify that down and put "ai = no" in the potential clause.

Well it depends on what your goal is. Like I said, an ai=no clause would mean that AI USA would NEVER reach its historical borders. I understand the frustration when playing as Mexico having the USA get free cores on half my poo poo, but when I'm playing as Zulu, I don't much care what it is the USA is up to so there's no real point in making it so they can't reach historical borders. It would totally work fine, I just prefer limiting the change so that the AI will not use the decision only when it would make it impossible for me to play, but otherwise let the USA do whatever.

# ? Apr 12, 2013 23:55

Chickpea Roar: Jan 11, 2006; Merdre!

Mandalay posted:

What kind of tax rates are you using to get this mountain of surplus cash?

Always 100%, and only research tax efficiency if you've got a negative balance and have already researched all the relevant industry tech.

# ? Apr 12, 2013 23:57

Fintilgin: Sep 29, 2004; Fintilgin sweeps!

Ideally, there should be a 'Manifest Failure' event, where if the US loses a war against a nation they got Manifest Destiny cores on then they lose those cores. Y'know, if you win the war as Mexico then the idea of Manifest Destiny dies stillborn, instead of the US just waiting five years and launching another total war.

Just like they should lose the cores on the CSA if the CSA wins.

# ? Apr 13, 2013 01:53

DrSunshine: Mar 23, 2009; Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

I was thinking of altering the Manifest Destiny decision so that any North American nation could use it if they had all the prerequisites. So, in "Divided States of America", every nation could conceivably get cores on every other nation on the continent. You could get cases where the Mormons, or Quebec conquer the continent. :getin:

... but it seemed like a lot of work and I wasn't sure if it'd really mess things up.

# ? Apr 13, 2013 01:59

Drone: Aug 22, 2003; Incredible machine

DrProsek posted:

I forgot to post this earlier, but here's a change you can make to the potential of the decision to make it so it can't be used if you're playing Mexico, Texas, California, Deseret, or Columbia:

Holy poo poo, I love you.

I just spent... uh, the entire afternoon/evening/night playing an APD game as Argentina -> La Plata. Honestly I only meant to spend a couple hours in it, playing as a Latin American republic that I had never played as before. I was ready to turn it off and go do other stuff when I suddenly democratized and thousands of migrants started pouring in. I stuck with it, got Great Power, formed La Plata, and took all my new cores from Brazil/Uruguay/a blobbed Chile that took out Bolivia early. I spent a couple decades industrializing quietly and slowly in my little unassuming corner of the world as a lesser Great Power, watched the US Civil War go the other way (Free States of America got their asses kicked despite being allied with the UK).

poo poo got really tense and I had an extremely fun war (my first big one, really) in the 1880s. Me and my sphere (all of Spanish-speaking America minus Mexico) along with the United States in a defensive war against Brazil and France. It was nailbiting there for awhile and the alliances were pretty much dead even on paper, but in the end I routed a massive Brazilian army in Sao Paolo and it was just downhill to a white peace from there. I've never felt so accomplished in a war without wargoals before. :banjo:

La Plata is probably my new favorite country to play as. It's challenging relying on Argentina's lovely RGO's (pretty much entirely agricultural and no coal/iron/good raw resources) until you can start to expand or industrialize heavily.

# ? Apr 13, 2013 02:12

Quantumfate: Feb 17, 2009; Angered & displeased, he went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, insulted & cursed him with rude, harsh words.

When this was said, the Blessed One said to him:

"Motherfucker I will -end- you"

DrSunshine, I mgiht have loaded your modwrong, does it require a pop divided to be loaded? otherwise, you might want to consider adding some technologies to the countries! also, it froze and crashed when I adjusted tax rates in the budget screen!

# ? Apr 13, 2013 02:13

DrSunshine: Mar 23, 2009; Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

Quantumfate posted:

DrSunshine, I mgiht have loaded your modwrong, does it require a pop divided to be loaded? otherwise, you might want to consider adding some technologies to the countries! also, it froze and crashed when I adjusted tax rates in the budget screen!

It does not require POP divided, it comes with POP Divided! Maybe that's why it crashed. I am a bad modder.

Also: Totally added some technologies to the countries. Totally added a bunch of standing armies too, so that they won't get their poo poo kicked in by the USA, CSA, or Mexico. I will release this new, less completely lovely version soon.

# ? Apr 13, 2013 02:15

Mandalay: Mar 16, 2007; WoW Forums Refugee

Nightblade posted:

Always 100%, and only research tax efficiency if you've got a negative balance and have already researched all the relevant industry tech.

Wait, what? You mean I don't need to keep these tax rates at 30% for pops to get their needs satisfied in A Pop Divided?

# ? Apr 13, 2013 02:22

MLKQUOTEMACHINE: Oct 22, 2012; Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice-skate uphill

So was it answered (and if it was I apologize) if there's a good lp/AAR to go to for a tutorial of Vicky2+AHD?

# ? Apr 13, 2013 02:33

Mister Bates: Aug 4, 2010

DrSunshine posted:

It does not require POP divided, it comes with POP Divided! Maybe that's why it crashed. I am a bad modder.

Also: Totally added some technologies to the countries. Totally added a bunch of standing armies too, so that they won't get their poo poo kicked in by the USA, CSA, or Mexico. I will release this new, less completely lovely version soon.

A few of the new countries also have no set ruling party in either start, it's just a blank field with the tooltip reading 'noIdeology'. Oh, and some of the parties are oddly named, like 'Democratic' instead of 'Democratic Party'. Oh, and the Dakota Republic is a Communist-led Dictatorship of the Proletariat in the 1861 start, which is about ten years earlier than communism normally appears as a playable ideology in my experience - although if it's deliberate it's pretty cool, I like the idea of a Sioux communist federation.

Divided States of America will be pretty awesome when you're done with it, keep up the good work! Do you plan on adding any country-specific decisions or events for the new nations? Maybe 'reclaim our ancestral homelands!' decisions for some of the Native American nations that gives cores on some United States territory, or a 'Native American Pan-Nationalism!' event/decision that can lead to the creation of a huge, continent-spanning Native nation with all the tribes as accepted cultures. Also plenty of Mormon flavor events and decisions for Deseret - I'm an ex-Mormon, so I can see all kinds of potential fun there. Maybe an event chain that gives them cores on the site of the Garden of Eden and Christ's Second Coming (Missouri, according to Mormon theology; specifically a plot of land in Independence). Some Mormon Communist/Socialist-specific events could even be done - really early Mormons held all property in common and operated as a commune, so if the evolution of the religion and culture took a slightly different path I can totally see a Mormon Communist movement developing that heavily mixes religion and revolutionary politics.

e: If you do decide to do country-specific events and decisions I'd be more than happy to help with Deseret. I'm a huge nerd about early church history - funnily enough it's actually why I left the church in the first place, the more I learned the less convincing it all was.

Mister Bates fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Apr 13, 2013

# ? Apr 13, 2013 03:12

Baloogan: Dec 5, 2004; Fun Shoe

Mandalay posted:

Wait, what? You mean I don't need to keep these tax rates at 30% for pops to get their needs satisfied in A Pop Divided?

You don't need to have your pop's needs satisfied.

# ? Apr 13, 2013 03:17

DrSunshine: Mar 23, 2009; Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

Mister Bates, you have no idea how relieved I am to see that someone got the mod to work, and that it's not just my computer that it runs on.

Mister Bates posted:

A few of the new countries also have no set ruling party in either start, it's just a blank field with the tooltip reading 'noIdeology'.

Oh dear! Which ones?

quote:

Oh, and some of the parties are oddly named, like 'Democratic' instead of 'Democratic Party'.

Hm, seems like I have some tweaking to do in the localizations.

quote:

Oh, and the Dakota Republic is a Communist-led Dictatorship of the Proletariat in the 1861 start, which is about ten years earlier than communism normally appears as a playable ideology in my experience - although if it's deliberate it's pretty cool, I like the idea of a Sioux communist federation.

This is entirely intentional, but also somewhat broken. I intended there to be two Dakotas, a Democratic People's Republic of Dakota in North Dakota, and a Republic of Dakota in South Dakota. But somehow, I can't seem to figure out how to make a nation that starts off divided split into two at a later date.

quote:

Divided States of America will be pretty awesome when you're done with it, keep up the good work! Do you plan on adding any country-specific decisions or events for the new nations? Maybe 'reclaim our ancestral homelands!' decisions for some of the Native American nations that gives cores on some United States territory, or a 'Native American Pan-Nationalism!' event/decision that can lead to the creation of a huge, continent-spanning Native nation with all the tribes as accepted cultures. Also plenty of Mormon flavor events and decisions for Deseret - I'm an ex-Mormon, so I can see all kinds of potential fun there. Maybe an event chain that gives them cores on the site of the Garden of Eden and Christ's Second Coming (Missouri, according to Mormon theology; specifically a plot of land in Independence). Some Mormon Communist/Socialist-specific events could even be done - really early Mormons held all property in common and operated as a commune, so if the evolution of the religion and culture took a slightly different path I can totally see a Mormon Communist movement developing that heavily mixes religion and revolutionary politics.

e: If you do decide to do country-specific events and decisions I'd be more than happy to help with Deseret. I'm a huge nerd about early church history - funnily enough it's actually why I left the church in the first place, the more I learned the less convincing it all was.

Sure! When I work out the kinks in the various nations, I'd be open to making country-specific decisions and events. PM me all your ideas about special Deseret things. Or email me at drsunshinesa at gmail.

# ? Apr 13, 2013 03:22

Mister Bates: Aug 4, 2010

DrSunshine posted:

Mister Bates, you have no idea how relieved I am to see that someone got the mod to work, and that it's not just my computer that it runs on.

Yeah, it ran with absolutely no issues straight out of the box for me, barring a slightly longer load time the first time I started it up.

DrSunshine posted:

Oh dear! Which ones?

The Rocky Mountain Republic and Pawnee are the two I noticed - the party line is completely blank with a white circle where the ideology icon usually goes, and the tooltip says 'noIdeology' with 'noIssue' next to all of the party issues. The California Republic and New England do have ruling parties but they're weirdly named - 'Liberty' and 'Democratic' respectively, instead of 'Liberty Party' and 'Democratic Party'.

DrSunshine posted:

This is entirely intentional, but also somewhat broken. I intended there to be two Dakotas, a Democratic People's Republic of Dakota in North Dakota, and a Republic of Dakota in South Dakota. But somehow, I can't seem to figure out how to make a nation that starts off divided split into two at a later date.

Having two Dakota/Sioux nations, a Republic and a Communist state, is a really cool idea, but why create a third Sioux state in South Dakota when you already have the Sioux Nation literally right there? Just have them fill the role that your planned South Dakota nation would have filled. e: With both nations having some sort of 'unite our people!' decision that gives them cores on the other if certain conditions are met, perhaps?

DrSunshine posted:

Sure! When I work out the kinks in the various nations, I'd be open to making country-specific decisions and events. PM me all your ideas about special Deseret things. Or email me at drsunshinesa at gmail.

Sure, will do.

# ? Apr 13, 2013 03:51

DrSunshine: Mar 23, 2009; Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

I've fixed all those things now!

(It's blank because apparently "Democratic Peoples' Republic of Dakota" is too long.

Apparently, the Republic of Dakota got all the pops in 1861, so they can field an army that's much larger than the DPRD. :ussr:

Also, in 1861, both nations have cores on the other.

# ? Apr 13, 2013 05:01

Hefty Leftist: Jun 26, 2011; "You know how vodka or whiskey are distilled multiple times to taste good? It's the same with shit. After being digested for the third time shit starts to taste reeeeeeaaaally yummy."

To be honest that Dakota thing comes off as really corny but it's your mod v :confused:

# ? Apr 13, 2013 05:34

Baloogan: Dec 5, 2004; Fun Shoe

This guy ^^ is literally a republican.

# ? Apr 13, 2013 05:50

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

What are the gameplay/mechanics changes to keep in mind going from Vanilla to APD? Seems like more than a couple of people here have been playing APD lately.

VVVV Yes, as long as you both have the same checksum

gradenko_2000 fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Apr 13, 2013

# ? Apr 13, 2013 05:59

Lucky Samurai: Oct 4, 2011; Being jaded about something is so cool. You're just as useless as everybody else, but you get to be irritating and bitter about it.

Can a Steam copy of CK2 play with a Gamersgate copy of CK2?

# ? Apr 13, 2013 06:03

Mirdini: Jan 14, 2012

MC2552John posted:

Can a Steam copy of CK2 play with a Gamersgate copy of CK2?

Yep!

# ? Apr 13, 2013 06:18

Miles Vorkosigan: Mar 21, 2007; The stuff that dreams are made of.

ThePutty posted:

To be honest that Dakota thing comes off as really corny but it's your mod vv

The whole mod is pretty silly so why not? :v:

Personally I will be disappointed if California isn't ruled by Emperor Norton in the mod. It's the right time period and everything!

# ? Apr 13, 2013 06:37

seal it with a kiss: Sep 14, 2007; :3

The dynamic releasable dominions in Heart of Darkness look really neat. I hope that bodes well for colonial revolters in EU4.

# ? Apr 13, 2013 06:53

Farecoal: Oct 15, 2011; There he go

Is the 1933 scenario in Darkest Hour still considered to be bad?

Farecoal fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Apr 13, 2013

# ? Apr 13, 2013 07:03

Lucky Samurai: Oct 4, 2011; Being jaded about something is so cool. You're just as useless as everybody else, but you get to be irritating and bitter about it.

Does anyone have a problem in CK2 where the menus either don't come up, or crawl onto the screen from the edges? Every menu does this. It happens at the main menu, then at the character select menu with the map.

# ? Apr 13, 2013 07:50

Shorter Than Some: May 6, 2009

Is there any way to see what goods your state is producing from the production screen? It's a bloody nightmare managing industry because I have to hunt around working out where each state is and what goods it has.

# ? Apr 13, 2013 07:52

Tomn: Aug 23, 2007; And the angel said unto him
"Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
But lo he could not. For the angel was hitting him with his own hands

Shorter Than Some posted:

Is there any way to see what goods your state is producing from the production screen? It's a bloody nightmare managing industry because I have to hunt around working out where each state is and what goods it has.

I don't think it particularly matters where a good is produced so long as it's available, does it? Victoria 2 doesn't seem to factor transportation costs into its factory equations, it's all a matter of whether the goods are in your market or not.

Unless you're saying that you can't work out which natural resources you're producing the most of, in which case I think the trade screen could help? At least you'll work out what you're exporting and what you therefore have a surplus of.

# ? Apr 13, 2013 11:26

Drone: Aug 22, 2003; Incredible machine

Farecoal posted:

Is the 1933 scenario in Darkest Hour still considered to be bad?

Whenever I play the '33 scenario it seems like, once the war actually starts, the AI is still stuck using waaay outdated units. That and IC fuckery are really the only two things I notice about it.

# ? Apr 13, 2013 11:32

podcat: Jun 21, 2012

Patter Song posted:

Speaking of V2, highly recommend you guys read the OP in this thread.

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?682285-Victoria-II-Heart-of-Darkness-Beta-AAR-War.-War-never-changes

Yes, I really liked delra's AAR, he explained why the military changes are awesome so much better than we could

Avindian has been writing one covering lots of other stuff as well
Nobody Expects the spanish expedition part 1-3:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?680843-Nobody-expects-the-Spanish-expedition!-A-Spain-1861-HOD-Beta-AAR
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?681903-Nobody-expects-the-Spanish-expedition!-Part-II-Africa-gets-Scrambled
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?682433-Nobody-expects-the-Spanish-expedition!-Part-III-Revelling-in-sunk-costs*

Drone posted:

The new Victoria playlist, if you're interested, can be accessed here: http://open.spotify.com/user/sa_drone/playlist/24cDENqrlkZZPhEpDEf4Os

The whole V2 soundtrack is also awesome and available on spotify: http://open.spotify.com/album/6cEFg34M7lROQ1Tl5xq1C9

Shorter Than Some posted:

Is there any way to see what goods your state is producing from the production screen? It's a bloody nightmare managing industry because I have to hunt around working out where each state is and what goods it has.

farming/mining goods production is easiest seen from the RGO mapmode. There is a production tab showing you overall production per type of goods if you want to see what artisans are producing, but I dont think it specifies what states there (perhaps top one is listed? cant remember). You can click on the goods icons in the production view as well to see a detail window with graph and info about who is producing and how much. If you want more information you have to fall back to the population screen and sort by artisan size etc

podcat fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Apr 13, 2013

# ? Apr 13, 2013 11:38

Nuclearmonkee: Jun 10, 2009

Mandalay posted:

Wait, what? You mean I don't need to keep these tax rates at 30% for pops to get their needs satisfied in A Pop Divided?

The only people who you should care about satisfying are the rich and to a lesser extent the middle class. gently caress the poor and keep them just on the edge of starvation in order to ensure that your huge base of lower class economic fuel are stuck there (just like in real life :v:

)

# ? Apr 13, 2013 13:50

Vivian Darkbloom: Jul 14, 2004

The international intrigue looks pretty good in HoD! I hope there are interesting random descriptions for the crisis events and not just generic "incident at Fashoda" events.

# ? Apr 13, 2013 14:05

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canada jezus: Jul 18, 2011

Does anyone have an opinion on which is more fun to play the 5.2 beta or regular patched divine wind with miscmods? I'm reading through the changes and just can't decide. edit: Obvious answer try both still leaves me with the question which one do you try first.

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