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Apr 15, 2013 08:05
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Going to experiment with turning every nation into an unciv. Hang on, I might break the future.
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Apr 15, 2013 08:24
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:So guys, I just now realized that I'm technically still a Victoria 2 beta tester and have access to the HoD beta. Yeah gently caress you. You aren't getting into the credits! We are going to be working on a first patch after release, so you can help out with that for whatever time it takes. Fister Roboto posted:The amount of goods POPs demand is unaffected by purchasing power. If they need 100 canned food but can only afford 20, the demand is still 100. No, actually it depends on their potential purchasing power as well so you will see prices drop when nobody can afford something.
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Apr 15, 2013 09:17
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Wolfgang Pauli posted:Going to experiment with turning every nation into an unciv. Hang on, I might break the future. Someone tried that once. It doesn't work, because the game needs to have eight Great Powers and uncivs can't be GPs, so it crashes every time you try to start a game.
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Apr 15, 2013 10:52
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Friend Commuter posted:Someone tried that once. It doesn't work, because the game needs to have eight Great Powers and uncivs can't be GPs, so it crashes every time you try to start a game. Isn't the number of Great Powers moddable? You obviously can't have zero but what if you set there to be just one and made everything else uncivilized? The result would probably be a steamrolling unless you made it Greenland or something.
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Apr 15, 2013 11:24
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Kavak posted:Isn't the number of Great Powers moddable? You obviously can't have zero but what if you set there to be just one and made everything else uncivilized? The result would probably be a steamrolling unless you made it Greenland or something. Yeah that would probably work. pick iceland and give everyone max relations with them so they never get attacked.
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Apr 15, 2013 11:26
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Anyone interested in a non-Steam copy of Victoria + Ricky? I'd either need your Gamersgate user name or an e-mail address to send the keys to.
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Apr 15, 2013 11:40
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Kavak posted:Isn't the number of Great Powers moddable? You obviously can't have zero but what if you set there to be just one and made everything else uncivilized? The result would probably be a steamrolling unless you made it Greenland or something. It's moddable in theory but I believe changing the value always crashes the game so not so much in practice.
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Apr 15, 2013 11:46
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podcat posted:Yeah that would probably work. pick iceland and give everyone max relations with them so they never get attacked. Also mod it so the GPs don't need more than one state to qualify. I think that was done so German Minor-Minors don't go up to GP levels from bullrushing Culture techs.
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Apr 15, 2013 12:09
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ZearothK posted:Also mod it so the GPs don't need more than one state to qualify. I think that was done so German Minor-Minors don't go up to GP levels from bullrushing Culture techs. That doesn't stop Bavaria, though- one time they had secured the 8th slot against all comers so I had to tag-switch and manually reduce their prestige to Secondary Power levels, because otherwise I was going to be the NGF forever.
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Apr 15, 2013 12:12
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Kavak posted:That doesn't stop Bavaria, though- one time they had secured the 8th slot against all comers so I had to tag-switch and manually reduce their prestige to Secondary Power levels, because otherwise I was going to be the NGF forever. I think that's actually good, as a player-run Bavaria could be the alternative to forming Germany for a player who's seeking a challenge. Still, yes, you're right, I think I see them sneaking into one of the GP slots in about a third of the games.
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Apr 15, 2013 12:19
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Kavak posted:That doesn't stop Bavaria, though- one time they had secured the 8th slot against all comers so I had to tag-switch and manually reduce their prestige to Secondary Power levels, because otherwise I was going to be the NGF forever. Yeah but Bavaria is actually big enough to qualify for GP status if they pump up their military, prestige and industry. Sure they are no Austria, but I think they are big enough to make it. I think you can still just use the establish hegemony CB to humiliate them out of their prestige to put them into their place.
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Apr 15, 2013 12:21
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Keisari posted:Yeah but Bavaria is actually big enough to qualify for GP status if they pump up their military, prestige and industry. Sure they are no Austria, but I think they are big enough to make it. I think you can still just use the establish hegemony CB to humiliate them out of their prestige to put them into their place. Yeah, it's fair to let them have an outside chance, but it's still obnoxious. Did they have that CB in vanilla? I don't remember it- I may also have been dissuaded by Austria and/or a coward.
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Apr 15, 2013 12:29
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AtomikKrab posted:I had steel factories turning profits in AHD... Are you sure? It feels like my markets are always flooded with British steel, and steel mills never turn a profit.
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Apr 15, 2013 14:23
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Wiz and/or podcat, is it true that taking an "uncivilized" nation to "civilized" will be easier plus more fun?
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Apr 15, 2013 14:44
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Mister Bates posted:How did Canada end up as a GP? Also, how is it still a Dominion of the British crown if Great Britain overthrew the monarchy and went Fascist? Did the Royal Family flee to Canada and set up a court-in-exile? Kainser fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Apr 15, 2013 |
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Apr 15, 2013 15:04
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Necroneocon posted:Wiz and/or podcat, is it true that taking an "uncivilized" nation to "civilized" will be easier plus more fun? A little easier. As for fun, I think so, but thats very personal, so you might not think so. There is less waiting and more fighting thats for sure. If you dont like wars as an unciv nothing has really changed.
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Apr 15, 2013 15:24
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podcat posted:A little easier. As for fun, I think so, but thats very personal, so you might not think so. There is less waiting and more fighting thats for sure. If you dont like wars as an unciv nothing has really changed. So basically, it's more fun as, say, a Sub-Saharan African civilization, or perhaps China, but maybe not if you're playing, say, Morocco or Korea, or some other unciv that has few neighbors or vastly superior neighbors.
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Apr 15, 2013 15:30
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DrSunshine posted:So basically, it's more fun as, say, a Sub-Saharan African civilization, or perhaps China, but maybe not if you're playing, say, Morocco or Korea, or some other unciv that has few neighbors or vastly superior neighbors. yup
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Apr 15, 2013 15:36
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Doesn't Korea already have an easier time civilizing? I swear I remember it being considered one of the more viable uncivs.
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Apr 15, 2013 15:50
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RagnarokAngel posted:Doesn't Korea already have an easier time civilizing? I swear I remember it being considered one of the more viable uncivs. They do, nobody really bothers you and you can just sit in peace under the aegis of Chinese protection while you tootle around getting techs and maybe grabbing some Indochinese provinces. Only real threat is usually Japan and, welp, that's where the Chinese come into play.
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Apr 15, 2013 17:00
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Friend Commuter posted:Someone tried that once. It doesn't work, because the game needs to have eight Great Powers and uncivs can't be GPs, so it crashes every time you try to start a game. ZearothK posted:Also mod it so the GPs don't need more than one state to qualify. I think that was done so German Minor-Minors don't go up to GP levels from bullrushing Culture techs. DrSunshine posted:So basically, it's more fun as, say, a Sub-Saharan African civilization, or perhaps China, but maybe not if you're playing, say, Morocco or Korea, or some other unciv that has few neighbors or vastly superior neighbors.  I mean, for an expansion called Heart of Darkness, there's not even ivory in this game.
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Apr 15, 2013 17:03
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Are we going to get another EU3 beta patch, or will the current one just be wrapped up and called final at some point? I'd still like to get the adjacencies.csv issue fixed, but at this point even a "final" patch would be good, so Steam users can get it.
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Apr 15, 2013 17:03
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Mister Adequate posted:They do, nobody really bothers you and you can just sit in peace under the aegis of Chinese protection while you tootle around getting techs and maybe grabbing some Indochinese provinces. Only real threat is usually Japan and, welp, that's where the Chinese come into play. Chinese protection? It's been a while since I played V2, but I remember my opening move as Japan was usually taking Korea for the iron and coal. Do they now start as guaranteed or whatever by Ming?
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Wolfgang Pauli posted:This is a thing? Yeah, one-state countries can't be GPs. There's plenty of rather backwards two staters that you could leave in for your project like Ecuador, and countries that wouldn't throw things off too much like Papal States. Hm...8 weak small countries to be civs so you have the requisite thing for everyone else being unciv. How about Ecuador, USCA, Denmark, Papal States, and a few uncivs made Civ for the occasion? Oman, Kokkand, Sokoto, and Afghanistan? There's 8.
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podcat posted:A little easier. As for fun, I think so, but thats very personal, so you might not think so. There is less waiting and more fighting thats for sure. If you dont like wars as an unciv nothing has really changed. Awesome. I really want to control an African country, so when Europeans "Scramble for Africa", they'll have a nice "civilized" nation to fight them off.
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Apr 15, 2013 17:35
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Patter Song posted:Yeah, one-state countries can't be GPs. There's plenty of rather backwards two staters that you could leave in for your project like Ecuador, and countries that wouldn't throw things off too much like Papal States.
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Necroneocon posted:Awesome. I really want to control an African country, so when Europeans "Scramble for Africa", they'll have a nice "civilized" nation to fight them off. In Vanilla I would play around with save files to give various nations max tech at the beginning of the game, and Africa was an interesting one. The only ones that really managed to do anything were Sokoto, Egypt, and Ethiopa though. All the North African countries still got annexed by Europe, and Zulu was never in a place to expand. The fun ended with AHD though because none of the tech kicks into effect until you civilize.
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TTBF posted:In Vanilla I would play around with save files to give various nations max tech at the beginning of the game, and Africa was an interesting one. The only ones that really managed to do anything were Sokoto, Egypt, and Ethiopa though. All the North African countries still got annexed by Europe, and Zulu was never in a place to expand. The fun ended with AHD though because none of the tech kicks into effect until you civilize. You can still give them a billion research points if you want to try that experiment for the 24 hours we don't have HoD.
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ZearothK posted:You can still give them a billion research points if you want to try that experiment for the 24 hours we don't have HoD. You can still kinda do that if I understand HoD right, it's just that you'll have to cheat yourself 20k points, get a reform, cheat up 20k more, and repeat until you westernize. Not as convenient, but doable.
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Apr 15, 2013 18:19
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Baloogan posted:Is HOD actually going to be available on steam tuesday morning? I'm thinking of calling in sick; but I want to be sure that its really out. Normally Steam games don't release until 10 AM Pacific time (1PM Eastern), so you'd be wasting a sick day. This is, of course, assuming Steam gets the expansion on launch day, which (I believe?) was an issue with some previous Paradox stuff.
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Necroneocon posted:Wiz and/or podcat, is it true that taking an "uncivilized" nation to "civilized" will be easier plus more fun? On the exploit-fixing downside, there's now a cap to storing research points so you can't just bank 50k points, enact all reforms in one go and civilize without ever running into Reactionary rebels. Wolfgang Pauli posted:This is a thing? A single-state nation means you can get max literacy very quickly, especially if you're playing a German Minor that already has a fairly high level of literacy in the first place. High literacy means you can increase your research rate easily and score the Cultural techs easily, which can catapult you to GP status by sheer Prestige points from Romanticism and the likes.
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I might swap out Cherokee for Venezuela as the American civ. I can give them a chunk of Fayetteville to satisfy the two-state requirement. The developed world will be rife with slavery and illiteracy, and only the smaller states get regulars at the start. Since I'm wiping military and industrial buildup, I hope this means I'll see German OPMs walking all over Prussia and Austria. I might also place Krakow closer to Westernization than probably anyone else in Europe, save Srbja.
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Apr 15, 2013 19:30
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Okay I'm dumb. In EU3 on the budget screen what does "investements" mean?
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Apr 15, 2013 19:39
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Off the top of my head that is how much money is going into technology research each month.
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Apr 15, 2013 19:54
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TTBF posted:In Vanilla I would play around with save files to give various nations max tech at the beginning of the game, and Africa was an interesting one. The only ones that really managed to do anything were Sokoto, Egypt, and Ethiopa though. All the North African countries still got annexed by Europe, and Zulu was never in a place to expand. The fun ended with AHD though because none of the tech kicks into effect until you civilize. I will make Zulu work! Without cheating! 
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Apr 15, 2013 19:57
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Necroneocon posted:I will make Zulu work! Without cheating! Good luck, if Britain doesn't get you, Oranje will. Basically, spend every last diplomatic point maintaining > 50 relations with Britain and all of the Boers.
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Apr 15, 2013 20:10
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You know what's even worse? Liberia I actually colonized the entirety of Central Africa as Liberia in PDM Vanilla, but in AHD if an Unciv is a democracy election events apparently don't work. Liberia really just needs to be a civilized nation that starts off with no techs to be honest. Maybe some kind of tech boost and population surge if the CSA wins, since most of the free African Americans could decide to emigrate if that happens.
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DrProsek posted:Good luck, if Britain doesn't get you, Oranje will. Basically, spend every last diplomatic point maintaining > 50 relations with Britain and all of the Boers. Bayete Nkosi! Ngikufisa umuntu omhlophe! 
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