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MoFauxHawk posted:Man I met this lawyer at a bar last night who works for a collections company and takes poor people's cars and forecloses on them and makes them pay massive debts in one payment rather than payment plans if they haven't been paying. And like, fine, somebody has to do that job, and if you've managed to justify what you're doing so you can make a living, fine. But this moderately overweight monster actually spent ten minutes telling a couple of law students about how much he loves his job and how he actually laughs at poor people while he drives away in their busted cars and it was kind of disturbing. He just kept going on and on about how much these people suck and how fun his job is. He was noticeably worse than people in Biglaw. It's also kinda fun to slide the bankruptcy notice in the morning of a big civil trial with attorneys like that. They're busy prepping the expert witnesses, they've got all these notes on a legal pad, it's so cute. Aside from repeated filings, there's basically no timing of a bankruptcy filing that is abusive. That's the main takeaway from bankruptcy I'd tell attorneys in other practice areas: Until like 120 days after you cash a check (after judgment, after enforcement), you have nothing. Brace your clients, because if the garnishment hearing is 50 days from now my clients will file bankruptcy in 49.5 days.
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MoFauxHawk posted:Man I met this lawyer at a bar last night who works for a collections company and takes poor people's cars and forecloses on them and makes them pay massive debts in one payment rather than payment plans if they haven't been paying. And like, fine, somebody has to do that job, and if you've managed to justify what you're doing so you can make a living, fine. But this moderately overweight monster actually spent ten minutes telling a couple of law students about how much he loves his job and how he actually laughs at poor people while he drives away in their busted cars and it was kind of disturbing. He just kept going on and on about how much these people suck and how fun his job is. He was noticeably worse than people in Biglaw. The only job I got "recruited" for in undergrad was working as a collections / claims agent for Liberty Mutual. To this day I am thankful I did not do it.
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wacko_- posted:Let's be fair. She could be going for an Mrs. Degree too. Granted she should go to a better school so the Mr. actually has a job... I doubt it, she's already engaged to a programmer dude who works for Google. I mean, I guess that in itself means that she won't have to worry so much about having her life destroyed, but imagine what they could do with both people in a viable career! I am a paralegal and one of the depressing parts of my job is seeing how many other people join the firm to work for 1-2 years as an assistant and then go on to law school. Sometimes I feel like I'm sitting in the lobby of an abattoir 
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Quick question for Biglaw goons: If you got a bar stipend, roughly how much was deducted in taxes? I know the numbers will vary from state to state but I'm just trying to get a general impression for budgeting purposes. I know I could just ask HR/AR but I'd prefer to not telegraph my obsessive need for granular control over my income too early into the game. Also, full disclosure is always the answer when doing character & fitness, right?
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Jove posted:Also, full disclosure is always the answer when doing character & fitness, right?
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Jove posted:Quick question for Biglaw goons: If you got a bar stipend, roughly how much was deducted in taxes? I know the numbers will vary from state to state but I'm just trying to get a general impression for budgeting purposes. I know I could just ask HR/AR but I'd prefer to not telegraph my obsessive need for granular control over my income too early into the game. Just ask HR. It's not at all unreasonable to be wanting to know that because "how much money will I have" is a fairly basic part of budgeting. Nobody will think it's obsessive or weird.
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I did a career fair this morning for my office. We expected to see a lot of law students and maybe some recent grads. Nope. Most of the people I spoke to had graduated 3 or 4 years ago and were still looking for meaningful work. Don't go, etc.
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Jove posted:my obsessive need for granular control over my income This is totally par for the course for lawyers at every level of biglaw and nobody will bat an eye.
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Apr 13, 2013 19:10
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Jove posted:Quick question for Biglaw goons: If you got a bar stipend, roughly how much was deducted in taxes? I know the numbers will vary from state to state but I'm just trying to get a general impression for budgeting purposes. I know I could just ask HR/AR but I'd prefer to not telegraph my obsessive need for granular control over my income too early into the game. In NY about 47% was deducted in taxes, at least for me.
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Apr 13, 2013 19:18
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Phil Moscowitz posted:This is totally par for the course for lawyers at every level of biglaw and nobody will bat an eye.
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Apr 13, 2013 19:30
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10-8 posted:Yep. My girlfriend thinks I'm nuts because I have half a dozen spreadsheets tracking various financial issues. I don't understand why you wouldn't want to know exactly how much money you'll have in 192 days. Because you know the answer isn't going to be a happy one.
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mikeraskol posted:In NY about 47% was deducted in taxes, at least for me. Goddammit to hell and back. Thus begins my slow transformation into a Republican.
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Cormack posted:Because you know the answer isn't going to be a happy one. I just keep my student loans off the books and pretend they don't exist. Worked for Enron. (Not joking. I don't even load my student loan accounts into Mint.com. There's no point in always being depressed.)
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I just made a lump sum payment on a loan to take out 10% of my debt and now my bank account is super low and my debt is still super high and I'm depressed 
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Apr 13, 2013 23:14
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mastershakeman posted:I just made a lump sum payment on a loan to take out 10% of my debt and now my bank account is super low and my debt is still super high and I'm depressed I just paid my taxes for last year. I have never had a check clear my account as fast as those.
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Jove posted:Goddammit to hell and back. Thus begins my slow transformation into a Republican. To be fair I think I got some of that money back come tax time. It was over-taxed because it was salary, so they took the amount I got and pretended that I was getting that amount every paycheck to extrapolate how much I make a year and put me in a tax bracket. It just happened to be a tax bracket that was too high, hence the 47% total taken out.
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93% done with law school. zero fucks left to give. I thought I hit bottom earlier. I never knew the depths of gently caress it I could reach.
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May 7th, 2010: Green Crayons posted:Are there figures for other schools, or are these just the top schools to place Article III clerks? Becuase I understand that I need to essentially be the top of the top 5% to even be considered for an Article III clerkship for where I'm going, and that poo poo just won't happen. But I can't believe W&L is on there but not W&M. Dammit. Green Crayons posted:Makes sense. Every judge has at least one, the important judges get two (or more if they're super special, I guess). At least, that's how I've seen it work in district court down here. Now: Green Crayons posted:93% done with law school. This
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Especially if you go to WM. Because what is there a gently caress to give about in Williamsburg besides Wawa?
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I went to W&M, and it's really just Wawa.
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Class of 2014: http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobbyingram
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Finals stink. Next year, totally loading up on clinicals and paper classes. I just want to be done school so that I can get on with being miserable and jaded and an alcoholic like real lawyers apparently are
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burf posted:Finals stink. Next year, totally loading up on clinicals and paper classes. I'm in my office right now with a flask.
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mikeraskol posted:I'm in my office right now with a flask. I actually can't remember the last day I didn't have a drink.
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Sir John Falstaff posted:Class of 2014: I know someone there now, and I'll bet he didn't even know he was in school with a legend.
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burf posted:Finals stink. Next year, totally loading up on clinicals and paper classes. I really disagree. I think papers are much worse than finals. But that's a personal preference.
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Adar posted:This This is the best use of a 3 year old thread.
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Enigma posted:I know someone there now, and I'll bet he didn't even know he was in school with a legend. 
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the milk machine posted:I went to W&M, and it's really just Wawa. I left W&M in part because it was really just Wawa.
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I just wrote and researched a 25 page term paper on fiduciary obligations in contractual joint ventures in a 48 hour period, and I managed to get some sleep while doing it. Time to put the finishing touches on it, drop it off, and then study for equity and trusts and con law for the rest of the day. Exam period 
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Adar posted:May 7th, 2010:
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Adar posted:May 7th, 2010:  as gently caress
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I have a couple coming in this afternoon for a uncontested divorce consultation. Does anyone have a consent form appropriate for the non-client? Is there a repository for useful forms in this thread? Did I miss it somehow?
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NewtGoongrich posted:I just wrote and researched a 25 page term paper on fiduciary obligations in contractual joint ventures in a 48 hour period, and I managed to get some sleep while doing it. Time to put the finishing touches on it, drop it off, and then study for equity and trusts and con law for the rest of the day. Exam period I just finished a 25 page paper on the treatment of student loans in the Canadian federal child support guidelines and am now studying for family law. My last exam is evidence on thursday and I know that I don't understand anything in that class, yet I just can't bring myself to care.
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Monaghan posted:My last exam is evidence on thursday and I know that I don't understand anything in that class, yet I just can't bring myself to care. It's a good thing that the entirety of Canadian evidence law was replaced by "is it necessary & reliable?". Pretty much, anyway.
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:It's a good thing that the entirety of Canadian evidence law was replaced by "is it necessary & reliable?". Pretty much, anyway. Except for things like previous consistent statements pigeon hole.
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I had a realization today and it made me sad. I spent the day tearing apart a bathroom, redoing the plumbing, installing a new vanity, etc., and it was so much more fulfilling than when I shuffle papers around.
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10-8 posted:I had a realization today and it made me sad. I spent the day tearing apart a bathroom, I got this far and at first I was like "man, what did you eat?"
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Ainsley McTree posted:I got this far and at first I was like "man, what did you eat?" Tacochat itt.
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10-8 posted:I had a realization today and it made me sad. I spent the day tearing apart a bathroom, redoing the plumbing, installing a new vanity, etc., and it was so much more fulfilling than when I shuffle papers around. I did that for summers once and while it's fun the first few times trust me it gets old fast.
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