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Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!
I have no idea why imgur made the thumbnails so god drat small, sorry.

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Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


This expansion pack rules. Stuff actually happens now. My current game as the US has gone weird. Peru devoured Equador along with parts of Bolivia and Columbia, and Im currently at war with britain over Montana. And then I got attacked by Mexico because they wanted Texas back.

Agean90 fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Apr 17, 2013

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

I want to become a marxist or democratic socialist country as argentina, or barring that, a really nice social-democracy. At the moment I'm a presidential dictatorship and I can only be the reactionary party. What do I do to free up all the reforms? I want to give my people top-notch education and health care and keep them safe and happy from cradle to grave.

Pump it up! Do it!
Oct 3, 2012
So how the hell do you make your non-US country attractive for immigrants? I have Texas,Chile and Haiti but nothing seems to get me immigrants. I try to become as liberal as possible by using my national focus to make people loyal to the liberal party, trying to increase militancy and consciousness unsuccessfully. But I hardly get any reforms through at all and by the time I start getting close to 50 % consistent support for the liberals the loving socialists show up taking alot of the support and apparently they hate political reforms. I dunno what I'm doing wrong since I remember in previous games before HOD where I had a much easier time getting immigrants.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


Baronjutter posted:

I want to become a marxist or democratic socialist country as argentina, or barring that, a really nice social-democracy. At the moment I'm a presidential dictatorship and I can only be the reactionary party. What do I do to free up all the reforms? I want to give my people top-notch education and health care and keep them safe and happy from cradle to grave.

You'll have to either: 1.) become a democracy and then get the socialist or communist party in power, or 2.) have a successful socialist/communist revolution.

Basically whenever you get Jacobin or socialist/communist rebels, withdraw your armies to some backwater province, never engage the rebels, and then eventually let them take over your capital and hold it for 120 days.

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!

Baronjutter posted:

I want to become a marxist or democratic socialist country as argentina, or barring that, a really nice social-democracy. At the moment I'm a presidential dictatorship and I can only be the reactionary party. What do I do to free up all the reforms? I want to give my people top-notch education and health care and keep them safe and happy from cradle to grave.

I just pumped communist support as soon as communism was available, then went for the tech that gives vanguard party eventually. I had a large base of communists ready, but not arming themselves. Once vanguard party kicked in, divisions started to arm, and I think 180 divisions ended up popping up and turned my Russian Empire into the USSR.

Also, anyone have any tips for fighting China without wanting to blow my head off from fighting all the goddamn armies they have?

Tomn
Aug 23, 2007

And the angel said unto him
"Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
But lo he could not. For the angel was hitting him with his own hands

Lord Tywin posted:

So how the hell do you make your non-US country attractive for immigrants? I have Texas,Chile and Haiti but nothing seems to get me immigrants. I try to become as liberal as possible by using my national focus to make people loyal to the liberal party, trying to increase militancy and consciousness unsuccessfully. But I hardly get any reforms through at all and by the time I start getting close to 50 % consistent support for the liberals the loving socialists show up taking alot of the support and apparently they hate political reforms. I dunno what I'm doing wrong since I remember in previous games before HOD where I had a much easier time getting immigrants.

I can't remember - is it socialist reforms that increase immigrant attraction, or political reforms, or both?

Bob Ojeda
Apr 15, 2008

I AM A WHINY LITTLE EMOTIONAL BITCH BABY WITH NO SENSE OF HUMOR

IF YOU SEE ME POSTING REMIND ME TO SHUT THE FUCK UP

Baronjutter posted:

I want to become a marxist or democratic socialist country as argentina, or barring that, a really nice social-democracy. At the moment I'm a presidential dictatorship and I can only be the reactionary party. What do I do to free up all the reforms? I want to give my people top-notch education and health care and keep them safe and happy from cradle to grave.

You need to pump up militancy by having high-militancy events, not enacting a lot of reforms, being brutally repressive, suppressing reform movements, etc. That way either you'll get pissed-off rebels who will bring the socialist revolution if you let them win, or the legislature will be frightened enough to vote for reforms. It's a little more complicated than that - you have to piss off the right pops so you get the right rebels, and generally the socialist rebels only start occurring around the mid-game (before that it's Jacobins and the like, who are cool with political reforms but not social reforms).

The general rule of thumb in Vicky is that if you want a really progressive, left-leaning state, you need to rule as a cruel repressive right-wing dictator. If you want a moderate or a conservative state that survives, you want to rule like a moderate, not repress people, and make lots of concessions.

And then the other thing you can do is research, I believe, the second-from-last technology in the Politics chain - Revolution and Counterrevolution - which makes communist revolutionaries go crazy. If I recall correctly the last event in that chain does the same thing for fascists.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

So there's no way to just force through change, despite being a dictator? It seems odd that a Presidential Dictatorship can't just have its president decree that there is now education funding, or health care.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Tomn posted:

I can't remember - is it socialist reforms that increase immigrant attraction, or political reforms, or both?
Both. It's pretty drat minimal compared to the bonuses the US gets though. (Or at least gets in APD, where it's something like +50% for each of those National Focus techs.)

Baronjutter posted:

So there's no way to just force through change, despite being a dictator? It seems odd that a Presidential Dictatorship can't just have its president decree that there is now education funding, or health care.
Dictators rarely have absolute power, that's just a comforting fiction that they live with. As long as they act according to the interest of whichever group is really in charge they get to pretend to be supreme ruler, but if they started getting ideas then they could easily be retired. That would be unlikely though, since the President for Life is usually the biggest scumbag around, so their interests are pretty much aligned with the people who would oust them.

Tomn
Aug 23, 2007

And the angel said unto him
"Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
But lo he could not. For the angel was hitting him with his own hands

Baronjutter posted:

So there's no way to just force through change, despite being a dictator? It seems odd that a Presidential Dictatorship can't just have its president decree that there is now education funding, or health care.

I guess it's partially a gameplay balance thing - if a presidential dictatorship can shove through any reforms he wanted, the best way to reform into ANYTHING would be to become a dictatorship, decree that everyone is now living in a communist paradise, and then step down.

Though, thinking about it, if you COULD shove through that many reforms at once, you should probably run the risk of turning a pretty large swathe of the population into reactionaries who want none of this radical nonsense. Probably end up putting down rebellions for a good long time afterwards.

Magissima
Apr 15, 2013

I'd like to introduce you to some of the most special of our rocks and minerals.
Soiled Meat

Baronjutter posted:

So there's no way to just force through change, despite being a dictator? It seems odd that a Presidential Dictatorship can't just have its president decree that there is now education funding, or health care.

Presidential Dictatorships are, by definition, reactionary, so it'd be weird if they suddenly adopted progressive ideas. Fascist and Proletarian dictatorships can do social reforms though.

Flappy Bert
Dec 11, 2011

I have seen the light, and it is a string


Did the time for a revolution to trigger change? I had my capital occupied for what must have been two months at most and now suddenly I'm communist.

Scrree
Jan 16, 2008

the history of all dead generations,
A weird thing is happening in my Austria game. I'm at war with Italy, who has 18 land techs researched while I have 23, and they are somehow hitting me with gas when I can't hit them back- not only that, but the 'Gas Defense' invention is stuck at 0% despite the fact that they're clearly killing the poo poo out of me with the stuff.

Will I eventually get Gas defense? Is this some kind of weird bug? I don;'t normally get this far into the game and it's really depressing seeing my soldiers melt like butter against a numerically and technologically inferior foe.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe

DerLeo posted:

Did the time for a revolution to trigger change? I had my capital occupied for what must have been two months at most and now suddenly I'm communist.

Rebels received massive massive buffs. I don't know why paradox made the change, I don't remember people clamoring for more powerful rebels.


I've almost got half a mind to disable rebels till paradox fixes them.

Ferrosol
Nov 8, 2010

Notorious J.A.M

Oh god Paradox makes the best adverts games. I want this

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

Let's put a simile on that face
A dazzling simile
Twinkling like the night sky

Ferrosol posted:

Oh god Paradox makes the best adverts games. I want this

This is pretty much the greatest game trailer for a boat simulator ever.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Almost as many "likes" as views on that video :p

John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE

Ferrosol posted:

Oh god Paradox makes the best adverts games. I want this

I can't stop smiling.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Ferrosol posted:

Oh god Paradox makes the best adverts games. I want this

That's a really good trailer, also I want it now.

DrPop
Aug 22, 2004


Is it cool to buy Vicky 2 through Steam w/r/t mod compatibility and poo poo? I know CK2 is fine, but just wanted to double check before I bought.

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles

Baloogan posted:

Rebels received massive massive buffs. I don't know why paradox made the change, I don't remember people clamoring for more powerful rebels.

I swear paradox does this just so they can make the same "rebels with a cause" joke for at least one expansion per game.

Edit: goddamn, that trailer. Is that paradox as a publisher or developer?

Reveilled fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Apr 18, 2013

Munin
Nov 14, 2004


Mister Adequate posted:

Newspapers are amazing (I had something about Russians complaining something called "Dead souls" is too difficult).

Nice, two references for the price of one.

[edit] I shouldn't forget about posts in the reply window for ages...

Munin fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Apr 18, 2013

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


DrPop posted:

Is it cool to buy Vicky 2 through Steam w/r/t mod compatibility and poo poo? I know CK2 is fine, but just wanted to double check before I bought.

Vicky 2 is the same as CK2 for mods, really. Plop them in your My Documents\Paradox Interactive\Victoria 2 folder and select them at launch. No Steam issues whatsoever.

And like all Paradox games even when you buy it through Steam, you don't have to have Steam open to actually run it.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


Ferrosol posted:

Oh god Paradox makes the best adverts games. I want this

I didn't care at all about this game, but now I want to buy it and invite a girl to a date where we play it. Whoever had this idea deserves a promotion.

Farecoal
Oct 15, 2011

There he go

Puella Magissima posted:

Presidential Dictatorships are, by definition, reactionary, so it'd be weird if they suddenly adopted progressive ideas. Fascist and Proletarian dictatorships can do social reforms though.

Shouldn't a reactionary revolution turn the country into an absolute monarchy? That should be a thing, I want to play as the Glorious Kingdom of Chile or something.

That boat game looks legit cool, though.

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles

ZearothK posted:

I didn't care at all about this game, but now I want to buy it and invite a girl to a date where we play it. Whoever had this idea deserves a promotion.

With the statement that they "saved money on voiceovers" and put that into the game instead, though, they basically said "the coolest thing about this trailer will not be in the final product".

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

enuma elish posted:

The general rule of thumb in Vicky is that if you want a really progressive, left-leaning state, you need to rule as a cruel repressive right-wing dictator. If you want a moderate or a conservative state that survives, you want to rule like a moderate, not repress people, and make lots of concessions.

Actually, in my recent California playthrough, I got the Socialist party elected sometime around 1850 and proceeded to win elections for the next 70 years. I ended up with all of the social and political reforms set to their most liberal and socialist, just through building popular support and making reforms incrementally. This, plus adopting the national value "Freedom" resulted in pretty astonishing levels of immigration -- I think I was pulling in like 15,000 immigrants a day by the end.

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010

DrSunshine posted:

Actually, in my recent California playthrough, I got the Socialist party elected sometime around 1850 and proceeded to win elections for the next 70 years. I ended up with all of the social and political reforms set to their most liberal and socialist, just through building popular support and making reforms incrementally. This, plus adopting the national value "Freedom" resulted in pretty astonishing levels of immigration -- I think I was pulling in like 15,000 immigrants a day by the end.

I was able to do pretty much the exact same thing as the USCA, albeit with very slightly less ridiculous numbers of immigrants. The Reactionaries overthrew the government and instituted a presidential dictatorship in the early 1840s which was itself overthrown by a Militant Socialist revolution in 1865 or so. After that, the resulting democracy was governed by the Socialists as an effective one-party state right up to the end of the game, and they gradually reformed the country into a glorious workers' utopia one piece of legislation at a time. I ended up with every single political and social reform, full womens' suffrage, and even got the Maya up to accepted culture status so I didn't assimilate them out of existence. I adopted the national value 'Unity' which kept Con and Mil down nicely, jacked Plurality up, and generally made everyone love each other, even the huge numbers of immigrants. There were so many people fleeing the constant wars in China that my population was 26% Mahayana Buddhist by game end. The only thing that kept the game from being perfect is that, as soon as I took Panama from Colombia so I could build the canal, the USA sphered me and threatened war if I didn't immediately hand it over. gently caress the USA.

Scrree
Jan 16, 2008

the history of all dead generations,
Okay, so I looked into it a bit and apparently inventing Gas Attacks gave me -3 defense attack instead of +3 attack. Italy does not have the tech needed researched nor the invention, so it's not just a lack of defense on my part. Anyone know what file I need to dig through to find out how to fix this?

edit: one trick you can do as a monarchy to trigger rebellion is change the leading party whenever you can; each time the whole government is shuffled around there is like a .5 general mil increase.

Scrree fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Apr 18, 2013

Cantorsdust
Aug 10, 2008

Infinitely many points, but zero length.

Scrree posted:

Okay, so I looked into it a bit and apparently inventing Gas Attacks gave me -3 defense instead of +3 attack. Italy does not have the tech needed researched nor the invention, so it's not just a lack of defense on my part. Anyone know what file I need to dig through to find out how to fix this?

This is in the base game?

edit: Only thing I could find was \inventions\army_inventions.txt enabling gas_attack, but it had nothing about stats. Looks like it's hard coded.

Cantorsdust fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Apr 18, 2013

Patter Song
Mar 26, 2010

Hereby it is manifest that during the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man.
Fun Shoe

Farecoal posted:

Shouldn't a reactionary revolution turn the country into an absolute monarchy? That should be a thing, I want to play as the Glorious Kingdom of Chile or something.

That boat game looks legit cool, though.

It is a thing. There's a Kingdom of Argentina in my current Germany game. It's in rather poor shape...France took part of it. I'm kind of tempted to DOW France to force them to give back that chunk of Argentina because seriously.

Scrree
Jan 16, 2008

the history of all dead generations,

Cantorsdust posted:

This is in the base game?

Yep; the number even pops up red like other negative modifiers.

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010

Patter Song posted:

It is a thing. There's a Kingdom of Argentina in my current Germany game. It's in rather poor shape...France took part of it. I'm kind of tempted to DOW France to force them to give back that chunk of Argentina because seriously.

Tempted to do a playthrough with the goal of making the United Kingdom of America, or the Kingdom of Texas.

Wolfgang Pauli
Mar 26, 2008

One Three Seven

DrSunshine posted:

Actually, in my recent California playthrough, I got the Socialist party elected sometime around 1850 and proceeded to win elections for the next 70 years. I ended up with all of the social and political reforms set to their most liberal and socialist, just through building popular support and making reforms incrementally. This, plus adopting the national value "Freedom" resulted in pretty astonishing levels of immigration -- I think I was pulling in like 15,000 immigrants a day by the end.
Was China civil warring all over the place? It usually leaks pops like a sieve when there's a war going on, and they all go straight to America because that's where immigrants always go.

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

Wolfgang Pauli posted:

Was China civil warring all over the place? It usually leaks pops like a sieve when there's a war going on, and they all go straight to America because that's where immigrants always go.

I don't really remember, as I rarely looked out of my own neck of the world. Mostly I was too concerned with taking over South and Central America and containing the USA, so I never really glanced at what was going on in China. China did modernize and become a GP as Beiyang China, though, sometime around the 1910s.

Ofaloaf
Feb 15, 2013

Ferrosol posted:

Oh god Paradox makes the best adverts games. I want this

Well sure, I'll buy it.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Do I need to be spending on Military National Stockpile to reinforce my troops? The new occupation mechanics are making it difficult to deal with rebel-occupied provinces, by the way.

Hazmat Sam
Dec 25, 2010

The dead do not "get high"
There is a government where the head of state has total control of your country: Fascists will support the pass or repeal any reform you want as long as they're the ruling party. The downsides being that they go full Republican and block doing everythin when they're out of power and failure is the only way they popular support.

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Beamed
Nov 26, 2010

Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.


Wolfgang Pauli posted:

If you're going to make a Gogol joke -- and that alone should be sending up red flags -- why not go after the fact that he hated teaching so much that he would fake tooth aches to get out of lecturing? Or that writing the sequel to Dead Souls stressed him out so much that he went on a pilgrimage to Jerusalem to "find himself", went insane, burned his manuscript, and killed himself? "It's so hard even the Russians don't get it" is... well it's not even really a joke, innit?

Okay, I definitely think this expansion's a bit unstable and dominions is a bit weird (but definitely not gamebreaking, seriously guys?), but criticizing Paradox for making a Dark Souls joke? Really?

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