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Muck and Mire posted:Also, did reddit's gung-ho team of crack internet crowdsourced detectives actually accomplish anything here, beyond falsely naming those two other guys? Nope! 
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krazysigmarite posted:What the gently caress what? He lives in a totally chill part of the country, what aspect of new england society led him to become someone who'd want to bomb a loving public event? That's actually a really good question! One worth trying to find an answer for.
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Uncle Jam posted:I wonder if he'll get charged with the vehicular manslaughter of his brother. He did try to ramp off of him after all.
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the popes toes posted:You don't get to use the courts as a forum to legitimize your social criticisms when you blow up kids, sorry. Didn't stop McVeigh from wanting to attempt it.
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Romes128 posted:A guy on CNN said black hat was alive, but in cardiac arrest when he was taken to the hospital early this morning. In the last thread it was said he died at the scene of the shooting. Ugh, it's going to be a while before all these details get cleared up. Romes128 posted:A guy on CNN Romes128 posted:CNN Spotted your problem.
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I'm soooo happy the authorities wrapped this up in 4 days, what a great way to say gently caress off to criminals.
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Muck and Mire posted:Also, did reddit's gung-ho team of crack internet crowdsourced detectives actually accomplish anything here, beyond falsely naming those two other guys? I'm pretty sure all they did was ruin a 17 year old kid's week. So yeah, no.
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Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi posted:So in terms of manhunts go, how quickly has this gone from "horrible event occurred" to "perp capture" in comparisons to other events? I know Timothy McVeigh was on the lam for about a month and only got caught because of an unrelated traffic stop, and then of course the Unibomber was at large for a really long period of time.
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Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi posted:Do you suppose the advent of social media has created an environment where people who pull off atrocities like this can't escape so readily? I'm sure the easy availability of information we have today helped significantly.
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Lt. Dans Legs posted:When you kill an 8 year old boy and 2 (potentially 3) others, and injure/maim 150+ more, you're a bit past the point where you qualify for empathy, in my opinion. Yeah. Of course it's important that we understand his motives, the forces that drove him to it, any potential circumstances or incapacities that influenced his thinking or behavior. But that's all mostly clinical, empathy is asking way too much. We're not Motherfucking Theresa or whatever. In all seriousness, I don't think there's any real possibility that this person will ever see the outside of a secure facility again. Hopefully whatever information we learn from him can actually help us to avert crises like this in the future. That would be pretty neat.
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Muck and Mire posted:Also, did reddit's gung-ho team of crack internet crowdsourced detectives actually accomplish anything here, beyond falsely naming those two other guys? Nope. Neither did ours, to be fair.
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OMG BYZANTIUM posted:I too hope he is assigned the best public defender, treated neutrally by police and that the jury fairly considers all the evidence...and then sentences him to life in prison. Our system has enough problems without people purposely trying to mess it up to get revenge. I was on a jury for an aggravated robbery trial last year, and I was very impressed with how well the public defenders defended their client. I didn't learn until after the trial that the defendant was a convicted rapist! (we weren't allowed to google him) But that public defender did such an amazing job representing him--it really bolstered my confidence in the judicial system (or at least in my area of the US).
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booshi posted:I'm sure the easy availability of information we have today helped significantly.
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krazysigmarite posted:What the gently caress what? He lives in a totally chill part of the country, what aspect of new england society led him to become someone who'd want to bomb a loving public event? As a sociologist, I'm ignoring this case like historians ignore Joan of Arc, because it doesn't make sense from conventional disciplinary frameworks, meaning we'd have to go outside of those frameworks, meaning our colleagues will eat us for lunch when we present at conferences.
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Muck and Mire posted:Also, did reddit's gung-ho team of crack internet crowdsourced detectives actually accomplish anything here, beyond falsely naming those two other guys?
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Isn't cardiac arrest basically = dead anyway? They probably just did the actual pronouncement at the hospital.
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Fancy Corndog posted:What an awesome middle-finger that would be. Well they're not charging him as an 'enemy combatant' according to I don't know, probably Fox or something- so if he's charged under normal federal law he'd be up for felony murder for his brother probably.
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TOOT BOOT posted:Timothy McVeigh was caught almost instantly as far as I can remember, they just didn't realize they had arrested the bomber for a few days. You may be right, I tried looking it up on wiki but it's vague in terms of dates. Does sound like he was caught pretty quickly though thanks to a well-timed traffic violation.
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krazysigmarite posted:What the gently caress what? He lives in a totally chill part of the country, what aspect of new england society led him to become someone who'd want to bomb a loving public event?
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OatmealRaisin posted:I think that was the dad. I think the official word out of Chechneya was "Holy poo poo gently caress those guys please don't bomb us Putin" Nope, found it. It was indeed the president of Chechneya (honestly not sure how much that title is worth though). http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/04/19/chechen_president_seek_the_root_of_this_evil_in_america.html
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Crazy Ted posted:It makes me wonder how much we'll really need CCTV in 10-15 years when everybody will have a high-definition camera in their phone anyway. Probably not much. Especially since some people have the instant reaction to film/photograph when crazy poo poo happens.
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Crazy Ted posted:McVeigh was actually arrested after only a few hours. Ninety minutes and for driving without plates. Also had a weapon illegally.
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booshi posted:Probably not much. Especially since some people have the instant reaction to film/photograph when crazy poo poo happens. gently caress This Puzzle posted:Ninety minutes and for driving without plates. Also had a weapon illegally.
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octoroon posted:Yeah. Of course it's important that we understand his motives, the forces that drove him to it, any potential circumstances or incapacities that influenced his thinking or behavior. But that's all mostly clinical, empathy is asking way too much. We're not Motherfucking Theresa or whatever. I wouldn't cite Mother Theresa as a paragon of empathy per se. In any case, I'm really glad that this manhunt had a successful ending. Have we heard about the status of the other officers who were wounded?
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Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:No way he's going to die looking like that. Agreed, he is upright and trying to get to his feet. Just after that image, I imagine he was pelted with those beans bags they called in. The next couple of days are going to rough on him depending upon how imbedded the lead from his gunshots wounds are.
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Cheering for justice is stupid? What the gently caress? No, THAT is stupid. Cheering that a dangerous criminal was apprehended and will face legal consequences for bombing random people is completely appropriate and understandable.
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Capslock Holmes posted:Is there any detail on his health condition right now? "Serious condition."
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thunderspanks posted:Well they're not charging him as an 'enemy combatant' according to I don't know, probably Fox or something- so if he's charged under normal federal law he'd be up for felony murder for his brother probably. Hes an American citizen committing crimes on American soil apprehended by regular police. There was little to no chance of being considered a enemy combatant anyway.
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OatmealRaisin posted:"Serious condition." "Not dead"
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TOOT BOOT posted:Isn't cardiac arrest basically = dead anyway? They probably just did the actual pronouncement at the hospital. Yeah, I don't know about MA, but a lot of states have very strict rules regarding who can declare a patient dead.
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SlenderWhore posted:Cheering for justice is stupid? What the gently caress? No, THAT is stupid. Cheering that a dangerous criminal was apprehended and will face legal consequences for bombing random people is completely appropriate and understandable.
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SlenderWhore posted:Cheering for justice is stupid? What the gently caress? No, THAT is stupid. Cheering that a dangerous criminal was apprehended and will face legal consequences for bombing random people is completely appropriate and understandable. But... the violence inherent in the system 
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pocket pool posted:Spotted your problem. I know. It sucks that the media is our only source of info now, considering a lot of us were just getting all our info directly from that scanner stream earlier.
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I'm still so glad for how things turned out. The Boston PD is beyond professional, and while I'm not a drinking man myself I hope they're all getting sloshed somewhere. I wish I lived up there so I could celebrate with everyone, I certainly feel like it. Nothing can undo what these two idiot kids have done, but we can get some answers and some closure.
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bow chicka wow wow posted:The Harris-Klebold explanation seems to make the most sense with the paucity of information we have right now. It's just wishful thinking of mine that maybe we could get some genuine answers. Even if he was just vying for his brother's approval, I'd like to know the intimate details of why his brother had such a hard-on for the US or maybe just Boston that he decided to bomb poo poo.
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gently caress This Puzzle posted:Ninety minutes and for driving without plates. Also had a weapon illegally. Sheesh, I was way off. In my defense, I was only like 7 at the time 
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Muck and Mire posted:Also, did reddit's gung-ho team of crack internet crowdsourced detectives actually accomplish anything here, beyond falsely naming those two other guys? No.
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Volume posted:Does this defense even work in any sort of case? "I was influenced into doing it" "Aww you poor thing. Not guilty!" It can result in lighter sentencing sometimes, but I've never seen someone get off scott-free for it, no. Course, I can't claim to have pored over a lot of cases where it was used.
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