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TurnipFritter posted:Other quick money tips: Buy the Mou Shoyuu from Nemechi (or fuse one yourself). Raise its loyalty to max (using the "Kind" sake) and have Victor Mystic Change it to an item that can be sold for 30,000 yen. Turn the difficulty hack down, buy another Mou Shoyuu back from the Compendium and repeat. Aww that sounds fun. Just smacking it to death was less than thrilling.
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TurnipFritter posted:It drains magic. Once it has drained enough magic it'll die. Think of it like how the Gluttony dude dies in Seven. ... wait, so I was supposed to use spells on it? I thought that was making it stronger, so I stopped and just beat the drat thing to death with physicals. 
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Apr 20, 2013 06:45
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Yeeeep. Man, I forgot how broken the Nyan Claw is for Nemissa. I haven't put any points into her Strength and she's still outdamaging the Hero with her physical attacks. 
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Apr 20, 2013 06:50
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Really liking Soul Hackers a lot. Even through I been used to the more modern SMT games, I did enjoy the Persona 1 remake and really liking this so far, even through it feels so weird seeing no tutorials at all other then a demon explaining how to talk when I spoke to a random one. Taking the cue from the thread of raising the Hero's strength/defense stats while raising the girl's magic/intelligence stats. Only thing I need to figure out for future reference is getting the loyalty up.
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Apr 20, 2013 07:37
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I kind of asked this earlier but know that we know a bit more, if in the various MegaTen games we have defied God, killed God, and destroyed the conflating power that was trying to resurrect God, respectively, what is left to do to Him in SMT4?
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Apr 20, 2013 09:15
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Date him, obviously.
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Momomo posted:Date him, obviously. Shing Megami Tensei IV: Persona 5
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Snix posted:The MAG system in Soul Hackers is beginning to be a pain in the rear end. I'm in the art museum dungeon and I'm out of MAG. After a good several steps after each battle, my health starts deteriorating. My healer is out of SP, I have no SP items, Nemissa is running out of SP, and I'm low on cash. I can't just return my demons, because it costs MAG to summon them, and I can't go into battle without them because I'll get wrecked. I'm probably going to have to get the 1900 yen I have in the bank and trade it for more MAG, but I was hoping to save up so I could actually buy things. I wouldn't be so low on MAG in the first place if I didn't decide to explore what I could of the park and the entirety of the non-dungeon portion of the art museum without thinking to put my demons away. Is there any purpose to the MAG system other than to be a major inconvenience? I mean, it wasn't a problem until I screwed myself over, but drat am I screwed over now. And you can argue that you use it to heal your demons at the rest points in dungeons, but why not just use regular currency, like other games in the series? You're probably trying to play this like a modern SMT game and keeping a full party of demons summoned that are either at your level or only a couple levels below you. Don't do this, at least not with your full party, especially not that early on. Demons take MAG every step even when you're not in an area where you can encounter demons. That early on in the game, you can afford to walk around without a full party of four demons (+2 humans). You don't have to have all of your demons be that high leveled either, it's alright to have one or two demons in your party that are more than a few levels below your MC. MAG is basically there so that you don't overpower yourself. If you mess up and run out of MAG, run around in a previous dungeon for 15 minutes or so with just the humans with maybe one or two demons supporting in order to build up a pool of at least a few thousand MAG.
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Stuff like that is exactly why I was wary of getting a remake of a 90s SMT game  I'll still be skipping ahead to SMT4.
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W.T. Fits posted:... wait, so I was supposed to use spells on it? I thought that was making it stronger, so I stopped and just beat the drat thing to death with physicals. Remember how on the walk towards the fight you get stopped by a kid who talks about how dolphins are tricky and always lie? Note how during the fight when you land magic attacks on it, it will be all "awesome, give me more magic!" It's lying. Pretty obscure justification, though. I had to look it up after the fact too.
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Oh man they let you use a map in the Strange Area painting? This just gets better and better. e: Hahaha it even lets you put down markers too! e2: My favorite voice acting so far is the Museum Worker outside the Juggler's painting where she explains what a Juggler is in this really condescending way. TurnipFritter fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Apr 20, 2013 |
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I can only imagine how irritating that area is without a map. 
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TurnipFritter posted:Oh man they let you use a map in the Strange Area painting? This just gets better and better. All this SH talk is making me tempted to buy the remake, even though I've played it to death already on the PS1. Except that I'll have to shelve it in a few weeks when SMT4 comes out anyway. Anyone know if it's possible to get the ending you could only get on a New Game+ in the PSX version on the first round through with the 3DS remake? If so I may just have to pull the trigger.
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:Stuff like that is exactly why I was wary of getting a remake of a 90s SMT game It's not really an issue. "You're not supposed to have a full party at all times" is basically the closest thing the game has to a balancing factor because it's already pretty drat easy. The only time Mag becomes even remotely an issue is if you try to walk around with a full party at all times. Mag is easiest to understand in that you are paying your demons to hang around. Think of them as hired help. You don't want to pay them when you don't need them. You have 3 party members who require 0 Mag so having a basic 4-person party (what you'd probably expect) requires absolutely trivial upkeep. If you STILL find yourself in need of money, the Casino breaks the game so hilariously hard it isn't even funny. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Apr 20, 2013 |
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Rirse posted:Only thing I need to figure out for future reference is getting the loyalty up. Kind Demons - Stick them in the back and have them either use healing spells or Guard. Wild Demons - Stick them in the front and have them Attack. Dumb Demons - Stick them in the front or back based on their spells/skills and use "Go." Sly Demons - Give them gems as gifts; or get them drunk on sake that makes them Kind or Wild and follow the advice for that personality type. Calm Demons - Get them drunk on sake that makes them Kind or Wild and follow the advice for that personality type.
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Genpei Turtle posted:All this SH talk is making me tempted to buy the remake, even though I've played it to death already on the PS1. Except that I'll have to shelve it in a few weeks when SMT4 comes out anyway. SMT4 is like 3 months away.
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W.T. Fits posted:Kind Demons - Stick them in the back and have them either use healing spells or Guard. Calm demons aren't necessarily that hard to grind loyalty on, it just takes a bit of extra work. Basically, they pick whatever they think the "best" action is going to be based on the situation, and you'll see this if you just use Go. What they want, though, is for you to tell them to do what they already want to do. So lets say you have a Calm demon with Maragi and Media. If everyone in the party is at full health sticking the demon in the back row and using Maragi will probably give you a loyalty boost; if some people have taken damage, using Media gives the boost. If you're fighting enemies that null fire, then you might get a boost from just using defend or having them attack if they're in the front row. It gets a bit iffy when you end up with Calm demons with wider skillsets including debuffs and whatnot but in such cases just have them use Go for a few fights to see what they tend to use against certain enemy groups. They build loyalty fast when you get it down and once they're at 5 it stops becoming problem. I tend to save Sake for Sly demons just because Calm demons go loyal fast when you get their habits down, whereas you could have a Sly demon spam magic through an entire dungeon and still probably not hit max loyalty.
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Norns posted:SMT4 is like 3 months away. It comes out on May 23 in Japan, which is the version I'm getting.
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Speaking of, have they shown off the voice acting for the english version yet? I would like to know how many of the Atlus Players are going to be in it (Yuri Lowenthal, Laura Bailey, etc).
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I did a quest at the pet shop in Paradigm X. I traded in a Jack Frost. How do I work the panel reward thingy?
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Aerofallosov posted:I did a quest at the pet shop in Paradigm X. I traded in a Jack Frost. How do I work the panel reward thingy? You go to a terminal and install it (I think you can also do this at the Spookies base? But if you can't, go to the terminal in the Sea Ark). It's software. It's pretty worthless as a reward! (You definitely want to do Mister DNA and Hanoun's requests - specifically the one that nets you Scatach and the one that nets you Nekomata. Nekomata can be Mystic Changed into a baller weapon for Nemissa)
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Cityinthesea posted:Speaking of, have they shown off the voice acting for the english version yet? A tiny bit of the VA was shown in the Euro Nintendo Direct, but Shibata is talking over the trailer.
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I just started playing SMT2 yesterday, are there any helpful tips for this game?  Also, what are some things I should keep in mind?
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Booky posted:I just started playing SMT2 yesterday, are there any helpful tips for this game? The earliest you can possibly get a demon named Anubis, do so, because he will eat bosses alive from when you can get him all the way to the final boss. Also, get the Hero's MAG stat to... I want to say 10, and then never upgrade it again because you need it that high later but it does nothing other than that.
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alcharagia posted:The earliest you can possibly get a demon named Anubis, do so, because he will eat bosses alive from when you can get him all the way to the final boss. Apparently Anubis is Lv. 41, so that'll probably take a while. What skills does he have? Also, besides Anubis, are there any good demons early on? I'm at the point where I should find Hanada. Oh, besides MAG, what stats should I be focusing on? STM, SPD, and STG?
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Anubis is good simply because he knows Divine Retribution. Divine Retribution, in SMT2, takes off a percentage of the opponent's HP if their alignment does not match that of the caster. It works on bosses in that game, but not in further games than that when it was changed to an Expel attack. Anubis is Neutral, and few powerful bosses are Neutral, so it wipes them out.
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Booky posted:Apparently Anubis is Lv. 41, so that'll probably take a while. What skills does he have? Also, besides Anubis, are there any good demons early on? I'm at the point where I should find Hanada. The MC needs a good balance of STR, SMT, and SPD. Much like SH, he needs around 10 or so INT to effectively communicate with demons. Like in SMT1, guns are pretty loving good and status effects can rip through even bosses. As for demons, you just kind of need to get what you can. They don't level up, so just fuse fuse fuse. Anubis has a skill that halves the health of demons who aren't his alignment, I believe.
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Is Devil Summoner 1 worth $30? Amazon go the reprints. Also if anyone doesn't want theirs I'll buy it
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El Belmondo posted:As for demons, you just kind of need to get what you can. They don't level up, so just fuse fuse fuse. There's actually an incredibly nasty trick you can do with Triple Fusion: the result is random. Meaning if you are insanely patient you can get, say, Metatron from your earliest triple fusion. Though good luck keeping him around with low Magnetite stocks.
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Ah. How useful are buffs in this game? Still really necessary? Also, here's Hawk's stats so far (so far I guess I'd say I'm a bit short on INT): Stats posted:HP: 74 So 3x Fusions are completely random and can get me high level demons? Neat!  (although I'm also very broke)
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Actually, looking it up you need to recruit a human and use them in any fusion to get a random result. My bad. So yeah. recruit humans, use them in triple fusion to bump up the level possibilities of the creature, laugh it up. Also fun: fusing a Slime into someone else increases the stats of the someone else.
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Tallgeese posted:Actually, looking it up you need to recruit a human and use them in any fusion to get a random result. My bad. For some reason I thought it was a triple fusion. Cool. What's the earliest human to recruit? e: Also I just sent a Gaki to Nivana by touching him. 
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I think I got all my bases covered now on SMT... Sans P4A - I have P1, P2 and P3P on the Vita.
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Booky posted:Cool. What's the earliest human to recruit? I believe it's Gaian Kugutsushi. You can definitely triple fuse Metatron up with the earliest human involved, though it'll take awhile.
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Tallgeese posted:I believe it's Gaian Kugutsushi. You can definitely triple fuse Metatron up with the earliest human involved, though it'll take awhile. Approximately how long will it take? Like an hour?
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Oh, probably about a half hour if you absolutely want him right then and there to rip apart anything in your way. You have to back out, refuse the result, back out, refuse...
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Then you go underground, and suddenly all but two enemies don't drop Magnetite.
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Tallgeese posted:Oh, probably about a half hour if you absolutely want him right then and there to rip apart anything in your way. You have to back out, refuse the result, back out, refuse... Meh, as much as I'd like Metatron super early, I get the feeling that he'd take forever to get.  Justin_Brett posted:Then you go underground, and suddenly all but two enemies don't drop Magnetite. Maybe the game assumes that since you have an ultra strong demon, you don't need MAG anymore since you clearly have enough? 
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Is there a place on this magical internet that will explain the demon fusing in Soul Hackers to me in simple words I can understand? Gamefaqs has nothing. I have a zoma but I don't know what it does, and I heard there's some other special demon that uses 3DS coins but I don't have it yet. And is gaining loyalty really that necessary when they don't level up so you eventually stop using it or fuse it with something else?
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Overbite posted:Is there a place on this magical internet that will explain the demon fusing in Soul Hackers to me in simple words I can understand? Gamefaqs has nothing. I have a zoma but I don't know what it does, and I heard there's some other special demon that uses 3DS coins but I don't have it yet. Loyalty will have demons listen to your commands other than what they want to be doing, so yeah its incredibly useful if you want to not die during boss fights.
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