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Redfont posted:P.S. I too was recently in BMT so if anyone wants to know what the Air Force does to make you miserable I can field some of that. How exactly does doing ones laundry work during BMT? Also are there any similarities between Oz and the USAF? ethanol posted:I'm not sure there's much upward mobility in terms of career or pay. Supposedly they can make a fair bit of coin but I'm more interested in something that could translate well to a federal law enforcement job.
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you do it yourself because the laundry detail gets you out of countless hours of trivial tasks. also I don't know if Oz is a thing or if I am responding to a joke right now
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Sasgrillo posted:How exactly does doing ones laundry work during BMT? Also are there any similarities between Oz and the USAF? Go security forces, won't steer you wrong (NOTE: Anecdotal evidence coming a friend that is in the reserves or w/e you call it for the AF. I'll ask him how he became a cop.)
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Sasgrillo posted:Is there a wait time between basic and tech school in the Air Force and if there is what do you do? Also it was gently suggested to me by two army friends that I should try going for aircraft loadmaster when I enlist. Supposedly it's one of the best jobs in the Air Force yet it's chronically undermanned - so what exactly is the catch? There's no wait time between basic and tech school. Sunday is your last day of basic where you say goodbye to mommy and daddy and uncle Doright and cousin Slick and whoever else is in your family. You pack your poo poo up, then wake up Monday and hop on a plane or a bus and you'll be at your tech school base the same day. Couldn't tell you about loadmaster since there aren't any at this base. Not sure what you're looking for in a job but if you like stacking poo poo in planes all day then it's probably great.
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Pandasmores posted:Go security forces, won't steer you wrong (NOTE: Anecdotal evidence coming a friend that is in the reserves or w/e you call it for the AF. I'll ask him how he became a cop.) Hahahahaha, woah, no, don't go security forces. It's like the AF equivalent of grunts and full of all the people who didn't qualify for anything else. There's some federal law enforcement arm of the air force but I can't remember what it's called, like the AF version of CID, or NCIS.
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not caring here posted:Hahahahaha, woah, no, don't go security forces. It's like the AF equivalent of grunts and full of all the people who didn't qualify for anything else. OSI.
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And you can't enlist as OSI, you have to have a few years in doing something else first, then you get to apply.
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Real men join Sphinx.
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not caring here posted:Hahahahaha, woah, no, don't go security forces. It's like the AF equivalent of grunts and full of all the people who didn't qualify for anything else. That explains why my friend in the security forces has a chip on his shoulder.
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It's fun being at MEPS and talking to all the Air Force recruits shipping out. Half of them are Security Forces and a good portion of them specifically asked for that job. The best was a guy that was all "yea man I'm totally going to be on the sniper team and embed with seals  "
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terrez posted:It's fun being at MEPS and talking to all the Air Force recruits shipping out. Half of them are Security Forces and a good portion of them specifically asked for that job. The best was a guy that was all "yea man I'm totally going to be on the sniper team and embed with seals  oh that's so awful and sad.
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Apr 21, 2013 00:34
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terrez posted:It's fun being at MEPS and talking to all the Air Force recruits shipping out. Half of them are Security Forces and a good portion of them specifically asked for that job. The best was a guy that was all "yea man I'm totally going to be on the sniper team and embed with seals Aren't they just fuckin MPs?
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Yes but they get all butt hurt if you call them MPs. Actually, from what (little) I've seen of them, they are more like security guards. Security guards that happen to be able to write parking tickets.
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I'm considering who to pick for my five letters of recommendations for my application to USAF OTS, and just had an off the wall idea. I played World of Warcraft for 6 years, until about a year ago, and normally I would never mention such a thing at any kind of job interview/application. The only reason I'm even humoring it is because I was a guild/raid leader of a single guild that lasted that entire span, managing the tactics and drama of 30-50 people. Even though I don't play anymore, I'm still good friends with several people from that time, including my successor who himself is a Army Captain, who would definitely write a glowing recommendation that demonstrated leadership of a large group. That said, I'm still loathe to consider it because of the video game aspect. I don't need this recommendation, I have plenty of other, more conventional, ones. If I don't use it for a LOR should it ever be mentioned at all, like as leadership experience? I'm still leaning pretty heavily toward "no". edit: V Like I said, crazy idea that just came to me, probably not a good one. Thanks for the quick and succinct replies. Xenoborg fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Apr 21, 2013 |
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Apr 21, 2013 00:48
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Xenoborg posted:I'm considering who to pick for my five letters of recommendations for my application to USAF OTS, and just had an off the wall idea. I played World of Warcraft for 6 years, until about a year ago, and normally I would never mention such a thing at any kind of job interview/application. The only reason I'm even humoring it is because I was a guild/raid leader of a single guild that lasted that entire span, managing the tactics and drama of 30-50 people. Even though I don't play anymore, I'm still good friends with several people from that time, including my successor who himself is a Army Captain, who would definitely write a glowing recommendation that demonstrated leadership of a large group. Yes please do it
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Xenoborg posted:I'm considering who to pick for my five letters of recommendations for my application to USAF OTS, and just had an off the wall idea. I played World of Warcraft for 6 years, until about a year ago, and normally I would never mention such a thing at any kind of job interview/application. The only reason I'm even humoring it is because I was a guild/raid leader of a single guild that lasted that entire span, managing the tactics and drama of 30-50 people. Even though I don't play anymore, I'm still good friends with several people from that time, including my successor who himself is a Army Captain, who would definitely write a glowing recommendation that demonstrated leadership of a large group. Under absolutely positively no circumstances should you use video games for anything, ever.
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Get him to write it anyway. You don't have to use it if it comes off too goony. Remember, guys, until recent budget cuts the Air Force actually used a loving Starcraft mod in officer PME. Edit: it was more fun than Starcraft 2
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terrez posted:It's fun being at MEPS and talking to all the Air Force recruits shipping out. Half of them are Security Forces and a good portion of them specifically asked for that job. The best was a guy that was all "yea man I'm totally going to be on the sniper team and embed with seals Hahaha, sounds like my friend that joined as security forces because "I'm going to get into PJs as soon as I get through BMT, all I have to do is submit a package and I'm in." No matter what I told him, he just said that I didn't know, I only had family join the Army and Marines before I went Navy. He's up for his fourth deployment this year I hear, still security forces. I always just tell him "See you in 4 months bro!"
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terrez posted:Yes please do it I'd like to see this too. Please report back to us on how well this letter of recommendation is received.
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sants posted:a little late but i've literally never heard of a USAF person who did not regret picking 6 years instead of 4. Duly noted, thanks again. Further convinced me that 4 is really what I should go with.
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Xenoborg posted:I'm considering who to pick for my five letters of recommendations for my application to USAF OTS, and just had an off the wall idea. I played World of Warcraft for 6 years, until about a year ago, and normally I would never mention such a thing at any kind of job interview/application. The only reason I'm even humoring it is because I was a guild/raid leader of a single guild that lasted that entire span, managing the tactics and drama of 30-50 people. Even though I don't play anymore, I'm still good friends with several people from that time, including my successor who himself is a Army Captain, who would definitely write a glowing recommendation that demonstrated leadership of a large group. Okay, they're being a little aggressive with their judgement because these sorts of things aren't usually well articulated and contextualized on Resume's and during interviews. But I've seen a lot of this stuff come up for kids applying for ROTC scholarships, and ironically a lot with USAF Engineering/Scientist officer applications screeners. You're already on the right track with emphasizing the managerial/organizational skills you developed, and de-emphasizing that it was in a game.. But really it's all in how you write it up. I don't have plat anymore to do PM's but you can email me at shimazu42069@gmail.com or just post in here, but I'd be glad to look at how you want to write it up on your CV, and provide feedback and editorial suggestions.. anything I can do to help a guy out. Lemme know man.
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Do we have any coast guard dudes? Seems like not a bad choice of branch. I like the whole federal law enforcement part of it. Looks like a bitch to get into.
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I went to welding school, and have been having trouble getting a welding job because of lack of experience or even just getting into a shop as an apprentice or on the field as a helper. If I got a really good ASVAB score, could I choose to become like a hull technician or get some other welding/fabrication job in the navy? Or is it going to be all luck? I'd honestly hate to commit for 4 years and not get a position welding/fabricating.
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EAB posted:I went to welding school, and have been having trouble getting a welding job because of lack of experience or even just getting into a shop as an apprentice or on the field as a helper. From what I hear, most hull techs just manage the sewage on the ship.
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EAB posted:I went to welding school, and have been having trouble getting a welding job because of lack of experience or even just getting into a shop as an apprentice or on the field as a helper. You could try air force, I met a dude who did some welding and poo poo on aircraft. That's about all I know on the subject though.
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Pandasmores posted:From what I hear, most hull techs just manage the sewage on the ship. I was told sewage was an "additonal duty" but not what you are primarily doing, but who knows, I wouldnt be surprised if thats what they made you do 18 hours a day. But that's cool, I'll do it if it means I can put 4 years of welding/fabrication on my resume its better than my situation right now, which is homeless in north dakota
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not caring here posted:You could try air force, I met a dude who did some welding and poo poo on aircraft. That's about all I know on the subject though. Most of that is privatized.
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/\ Most but not all...there are still GIs doing metals tech, depends on the base though because while some bases still have a predominantly blue suiter metals tech shop a lot of others are pretty much all govt civil service or contracted out. /\not caring here posted:You could try air force, I met a dude who did some welding and poo poo on aircraft. That's about all I know on the subject though. 2A7X1, Metals Tech. No idea what your chances of being able to ship with this AFSC are (i.e., you may have to wait a while) because while there are still definitely blue-suiter GIs in the specialty, the metals tech shop at a lot of bases is shifting to be a lot more govt civil service GS/WG/etc type dudes, not military. However it is pretty close to what you are looking for, EAB, because pretty much all that AFSC does is welding/fabricating/using CNC machines. There is a separate AFSC that does most of the work that is directly on the aircraft, so it's rare to nonexistent for metals tech to be working on the flightline or really anywhere other than their shop...which is part of the reason why a lot of bases are shifting to govt civil service dudes. Still, can't hurt to go to a recruiter and ask to see if it's possible, since even if through some weirdness you wind up in the career field and somehow don't get to do welding/fabricating/etc, I can 100% guarantee you that it will still be better than dealing with sewage on a boat. \/ Might want to look into that a little more, pretty sure the cut off is that you have to be at BMT before your 28th birthday. \/ iyaayas01 fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Apr 21, 2013 |
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not caring here posted:You could try air force, I met a dude who did some welding and poo poo on aircraft. That's about all I know on the subject though. I'm 26, too old to join air force.
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EAB posted:I'm 26, too old to join air force. Last I heard the cutoff was 27.
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EAB posted:I was told sewage was an "additonal duty" but not what you are primarily doing, but who knows, I wouldnt be surprised if thats what they made you do 18 hours a day. From Facebook chat with my buddy: HT's job is pretty dependent on what class of ship they are on.You can be a welder/pipefitter, run plumbing systems, or do engraving and repair division (flood/firefighting). Right now he's a part of a hovercraft crew or something, so he does different poo poo (also he's a reservist).
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HTs do take care of the shitters. However, they also do all of the welding and most of the fabrication on surface ships (except nuke welding on carriers). The general thing that most HTs said was "If you can't weld, you're fixing toilets." The general rule of thumb is go into a job expecting to do nothing but the lovely stuff the majority of the time and the stuff you want maybe 5% of the time. If you're fine with just doing damage control (like training/actual fire/flooding casualty response, etc), fixing toilets, and occasionally welding then HT is the job for you. If you want to weld primarily, you're not going to be happy except maybe 5% of the time, if even.
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Question regarding clearances, how much does student loans hurt you in obtaining a clearance? I have roughly $100k, and none of it is delinquent. No criminal background, and I did obtain my degree. My credit score is in the mid 700's. Would that amount of student loan debt hurt me?
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No. They're looking for irresponsible debt, or stuff you're so far behind on that you might consider taking bribes, that sort of thing. It's not just "debt=bad." If that money was on credit cards, for example, and you were six months behind.
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Godholio posted:No. They're looking for irresponsible debt, or stuff you're so far behind on that you might consider taking bribes, that sort of thing. It's not just "debt=bad." If that money was on credit cards, for example, and you were six months behind. Okay, to follow up. Is brief marijuana use going to exclude me as well? Was 4 years ago, while in college. As I said, no arrests, no criminal at all, in fact the last traffic violation I had just went off my record after 5 years(out of state speeding). I'd like to be forthcoming about it as it coming up later I assume is bad news. What happens if the they deny me for the marijuana use in college, and I've already signed a contract for a cryptological technician for the Navy? Do they assign me another job and I have to serve out my contract possibly scrubbing ships, or do they release me from my contract?
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Zotix posted:Okay, to follow up. Is brief marijuana use going to exclude me as well? Was 4 years ago, while in college. As I said, no arrests, no criminal at all, in fact the last traffic violation I had just went off my record after 5 years(out of state speeding). I'd like to be forthcoming about it as it coming up later I assume is bad news. Be honest about it in my opinion unless you've got one hell of a poker face (I don't), if you pass a drug test and all your future random drug tests, your brief use will be mitigated by your credibility and the significant time that has passed. If you lie about it and they catch you, you will be in much deeper, possibly unknown, trouble. If you fail a drug test from this point forward, you will never get a clearance. Be aware that your recruiter is not going to accept 'brief use' as an answer. You need to tell them exactly how many times you smoked, and here's the part where you might consider stretching the truth a bit if you smoked a ton, because you do not want to indicate a dependency. Careful. I'm planning on going up against this myself in a few months and I've done a lot of research on it. The SF-86 scares the poo poo out of me. More goon info that I found useful posted a few pages back: iyaayas01 posted:Just to be clear there are two completely different things here, involving two completely different processes, and two completely different groups of people: the waiver to join due to admitting drug use in your past, and the security clearance process where they will ask on the SF-86 if you have used illicit narcotics. In my opinion, times have changed, and the SF-86/rules are completely outdated and need to change, because way more young people have smoked than those who haven't. It also doesn't account for marijuana being legalized in several states. At least that's my interpretation of the country. It doesn't mean we are possible traitors, especially since it was really just experimentation in college and I knew I wasn't going to keep doing it afterwards, especially in any habitual manner. (I didn't) ethanol fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Apr 22, 2013 |
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Be completely honest about it. Like ethanol said, if it was just that once and there's no future infractions, there's no cause for anyone to have that event remembered, and you're a clean agent from this point on, I wouldn't be concerned in the least. Debt, however, will gently caress your poo poo up.
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Zotix posted:Okay, to follow up. Is brief marijuana use going to exclude me as well? Was 4 years ago, while in college. As I said, no arrests, no criminal at all, in fact the last traffic violation I had just went off my record after 5 years(out of state speeding). I'd like to be forthcoming about it as it coming up later I assume is bad news. This is the scale for things that will block you from getting a clearance: +Way over your head in debt +Previously in a gang/member of a hate group +Family members are foreign nationals +Smoke weed everyday | | | | | | | | | | | +Has loans | +Smoked weed a couple time You'll be fine. Just be honest.
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Godholio posted:Last I heard the cutoff was 27. It is, but I talked to a recruiter and they said I'd be 27 before I actually got into boot camp so they said its a no go. I turn 27 in June
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