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Yeah, if there's one word I could use to describe Dra+KoI it would be "hyper". The game made me laugh at a few points, like this CG (small spoilers) which is nice because most Japanese humor just doesn't appeal to me. It only took me an hour and a half to finish by going straight through and ctrling past the hscenes. I think Moogy went a bit overboard with the swearing but the patch is otherwise fine. On a different note, what would you guys consider to be a good starter VN to introduce somebody to the genre? Something like Planterian or Narcissu that is short and sweet with no choices or porn or Katawa Shoujo which is a lot longer but pretty vanilla or something else?
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Uh. Umineko?  That said I enjoyed Katawa Shoujo immensely and it was basically my first VN.
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Honestly I would say depending on the person it might be smarter to wean them on something like 999 since it's a lot easier to get someone to play a VN/adventure game than it is to play a straight VN. Not to mention you can then point them to the infinity series afterwards. Katawa Shoujo is probably a good bet too, since while I found it to be extremely boring, it definitely introduced a ton of people to VNs so it totally is newbie friendly. This one definitely hinges on the fact that the person would not be turned off by the..explicit nature of the content but Saya No Uta is a good one if only because it has a good story, great music, and can be finished in just a few hours. The extreme/disturbing premise tends to intrigue people I've noticed which is a point in its favor as a starting point, in my opinion. Ibram Gaunt fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Apr 23, 2013 |
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Artificer posted:Uh. Umineko? I await the day when someone tries to blind livestream Umineko and we all die of sleep deprivation. Even putting that faint hope aside, Umineko would be an interesting introduction to the medium if the person you're suggesting it to like classical mystery novels.
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Rodyle posted:I await the day when someone tries to blind livestream Umineko and we all die of sleep deprivation. Ahh. Sleep deprivation. Adding hallucinations to the weirdass going ons of that novel would be.....interesting.
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Here's a terrible Vice article about visual novels: http://www.vice.com/read/are-visual-novels-just-porny-boring-video-games Choice quote: quote:“It is very hard for anyone to have even played one visual novel and maintain the position that they are just porn games,” she said. “Nowadays, they are character-focused stories about 'real' characters that you will come to care deeply about… [Sex] constitutes a very small part of the overall game's volume (about 3 percent), in the same way Hollywood films contain short sex scenes.” 
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kirbysuperstar posted:Here's a terrible Vice article about visual novels: http://www.vice.com/read/are-visual-novels-just-porny-boring-video-games "Season of the Sakura"? Who came up with such a generic title?
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Is that a bad one? Bad quality, or bad horrifying sex scenes?
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It's not... bad, but it's fairly generic (and all the characters are obviously stolen, half from Evangelion, half from Magic Knight Rayearth) and is a 1996 DOS port of a 1994 PC-98 game. It's also entirely a "pick a girl, go through school, bang her" game.
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kirbysuperstar posted:It's not... bad, but it's fairly generic (and all the characters are obviously stolen, half from Evangelion, half from Magic Knight Rayearth) and is a 1996 DOS port of a 1994 PC-98 game. It's also entirely a "pick a girl, go through school, bang her" game. I wonder where he got that info from then...
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Apr 23, 2013 05:56
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/jp/, I'd imagine.
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Rodyle posted:I await the day when someone tries to blind livestream Umineko and we all die of sleep deprivation. I actually haven't played Umineko at all and I'm completely blind to it aside from a few small things (it's a mystery series, seeing a few nonspoilery screenshots, the music is apparently really good, and there's two characters in it called Beatrice and Butler). I doubt I would have any interesting commentary to give though and I'm kind of shy about talking over during streams.
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planetarial posted:I actually haven't played Umineko at all and I'm completely blind to it aside from a few small things (it's a mystery series, seeing a few nonspoilery screenshots, the music is apparently really good, and there's two characters in it called Beatrice and Butler). I doubt I would have any interesting commentary to give though and I'm kind of shy about talking over during streams. kirbysuperstar posted:/jp/, I'd imagine. Impossible, it's available in English and isn't a Toohoo game (which you're still supposed to play in the PUREST OF ALL LANGUAGES). Once the majority of the internet can read it, it becomes poo poo you know.
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You absolutely shouldn't stream Umineko. It is long as gently caress. It's like 20 goddamn hours a chapter. And if you are watching it with internet people typing to you on the side then every time there's some brazen spoilers hidden in plain sight someone is going to go COUGH COUGH COUGH FORESHADOWING. Just read it and post your thoughts later.
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Krinkle posted:You absolutely shouldn't stream Umineko. It is long as gently caress. It's like 20 goddamn hours a chapter. And if you are watching it with internet people typing to you on the side then every time there's some brazen spoilers hidden in plain sight someone is going to go COUGH COUGH COUGH FORESHADOWING. Just read it and post your thoughts later. Oh yeah I'm aware it's long as hell and I would probably be burnt out early too. But klapman managed to miraculously not get spoiled at all at Muv Luv for his stream aside from one extremely vague thing. And I was planning on reading Higurashi before anyway.
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Rodyle posted:Trust me, if you saw klapman's stream, you know we don't necessarily need fantastic commentary. I completely understand if you're not comfortable streaming though. I'm taking a break from F/SN while I have exams, but next week, I'll be finishing off UBW. I'm not going to stream myself because of reasons, but would people be interested in seeing my reactions on IRC? I mentioned I might do it a while ago, but I didn't hear anything back. Fake edit: I don't know a drat thing about Muv Luv except gently caress lacross, and gently caress gently caress gently caress.
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unpronounceable posted:Hell, just look at Artificer's posts starting near the bottom of page 3. I only read the unspoilered bits, but I take it, if you know what's happening, that's all the commentary you need. It's part of the reason I've been documenting my thoughts as I go through the end of UBW. I suppose I will serve as a warning to all those reading the thread for more than one thing.
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Rodyle posted:I await the day when someone tries to blind livestream Umineko and we all die of sleep deprivation. Please don't, I don't want to experience what I put the people watching my stream through.  planetarial posted:Oh yeah I'm aware it's long as hell and I would probably be burnt out early too. But klapman managed to miraculously not get spoiled at all at Muv Luv for his stream aside from one extremely vague thing. And I was planning on reading Higurashi before anyway. The funny thing is, is I actually wasn't even spoiled by that in the way everyone thought. At that point I was convinced that Takeru jumping back into Extra would get everything all lovely, even though it wasn't blatantly stated at that time. So when someone said "hey did he meet Slutmika yet", I was under the impression that we'd go back at some point and everyone would be some coked-out druggie and Sumika would be trading sex for heroin or something crazy like that. Instead it was just a guy who didn't like her much as a character.  But yeah, especially for Umineko which is at it's core a mystery novel, I wouldn't count on lightning striking twice regarding spoilers. But then, considering that you'd be getting largely the same audience as I did, I don't think that anyone would want to spoil you at all. People like watching others go through the same stuff they did, to compare their reactions and get back a little bit of that fun they had the first time through. And honestly, it's actually pretty hard to get burnt out on it. It's really just playing a visual novel while talking to people. The only thing that's a bit difficult is to get used to constantly vocalizing your thoughts so that people know what's running through your head, and getting used to that early on means that when poo poo hits the fan you'll just do it automatically. On one hand that makes it really fun to watch, but on the other that's also how you get my ridiculous speech about how I was going to kill all the fictional aliens to death because HONOR AND PRIDE AND GOD BLESS HUMANITY  . What i'm saying is do it, it's fun!
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Rodyle posted:Impossible, it's available in English and isn't a Toohoo game (which you're still supposed to play in the PUREST OF ALL LANGUAGES). Once the majority of the internet can read it, it becomes poo poo you know. Oh, that's true. /vg/, maybe? Or are they still only caring about OELVNs of dubious quality. Speaking of, if you haven't read weeaboo.nl's NaNoRenO writeup you really should, because of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16eWtX4r1us
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I can think of a group that would consider Seasons of the Sakura to be "the best Visual Novel ever" but I kind of assumed they all died out years ago: the people who got into the genre by playing the original commercially available porny visual novels of early MS DOS days and are filled with nostalgia of the time period, probably through something like The Underdogs (as opposed to modern VN readers who now come in the genre through Phoenix Wright/999/KS/Fate/Muv Luv.) I guess it's sort of like how Final Fantasy 1 which is considered a "classic" but I think it's a pretty terrible bug-filled imbalanced mess by modern RPG design standards. But I guess something to keep in mind that there were much worse/dumber VNs than Seasons of the Sakura back in the days (and I guess in FF1's time, it probably looked like a masterpiece compared to some other bad Dragon Quest clone) Thinking back about it, boy did those games not age very well, the other game I think people are nostalgic about from that era was the ironically named "True Love" and the character designs just look like Lovecraftian monsters to me now with their strange body proportions and pencil-thin necks. As someone who has been into this genre from the start I think it's kind of interesting how things "progressed" in the community. Did you guys know there was a time that Kanon was once this holy grail of non-translated VN that everyone constantly laments about it not being translated? I think when the translation patch of Kanon finally came out (many years way too late for it to have any sort of impact) there was just kind of a shrug in the community but at the time of Kanon's Japanese release it sure looked like Citizen Kane when compared to the nukige that JAST turned out at a ridiculously fast pace.
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Davzz posted:JAST Speaking of which - Season of the Sakura was part of a uh, trilogy of JAST games that got ported from PC-98 to IBM DOS way the gently caress after Windows 95 came about. The others being Runaway City and Three Sisters Story. There's a review of Three Sisters Story on the front page, under Awful Anime. 3SS was the first VN sorta game I played, followed by the other two and of course, True Love and Nocturnal Illusion. I still kinda like Nocturnal Illusion..
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kirbysuperstar posted:Here's a terrible Vice article about visual novels: http://www.vice.com/read/are-visual-novels-just-porny-boring-video-games Oh good god, they're using Aaeru as their source for the article. Couldn't they find someone other than a pirate site owner who everybody in the VN community hates?
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Wait, that was a piracy site? So them getting baffled at being C&D'd by Mangagamer...
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kirbysuperstar posted:Oh, that's true. /vg/, maybe? Or are they still only caring about OELVNs of dubious quality. I don't hang out on /vg/ much since I really don't play all that many VNs, but from what I've seen yeah it's alright. OELVNs, Katawa Shoujo, and MGQ all have their own threads. Yes there are still KS threads. No I don't know what they're about.
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Rodyle posted:Yes there are still KS threads. No I don't know what they're about. Probably mostly new readers coming in and talking about how it wasn't the trainwreck they were expecting (or tossing around KS-inspired memes and macros). Katawa Shoujo's uncomfortable premise might have been a blessing in disguise, because the sheer shock value attracts new readers. I have no idea how many people got into VNs because of KS, but I'm thinking it's a pretty large number.
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Suleman posted:Probably mostly new readers coming in and talking about how it wasn't the trainwreck they were expecting (or tossing around KS-inspired memes and macros). Katawa Shoujo's uncomfortable premise might have been a blessing in disguise, because the sheer shock value attracts new readers. I have no idea how many people got into VNs because of KS, but I'm thinking it's a pretty large number. /vg/ posted:Katawa Shoujo General #1297 These threads have been going on without stopping ever since KS dropped. They also made a KS themed Risk game.
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Rodyle posted:They also made a KS themed Risk game. Wow. I thought Metal Gear Solid Risk was pretty out there, but uh. Yeah.
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What do they fight with? Are infantry little Shizunes or something?
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Artificer posted:What do they fight with? Are infantry little Shizunes or something? I don't know the specifics and can't be assed to read, but here it is  http://pastebin.com/97aPKfHg kirbysuperstar posted:Wow. I thought Metal Gear Solid Risk was pretty out there, but uh. Yeah. At least MGS is about geopolitics (or what HK's frayed psyche interprets as geopolitics anyway).
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planetarial posted:On a different note, what would you guys consider to be a good starter VN to introduce somebody to the genre? Something like Planterian or Narcissu that is short and sweet with no choices or porn or Katawa Shoujo which is a lot longer but pretty vanilla or something else? Then again, my first VNs were Tsukihime and Fate/stay night
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planetarial posted:On a different note, what would you guys consider to be a good starter VN to introduce somebody to the genre? Something like Planterian or Narcissu that is short and sweet with no choices or porn or Katawa Shoujo which is a lot longer but pretty vanilla or something else? Ultimately the issue is that the genre isn't really deep - the list of good games isn't really large. The 'introductory' games pretty much would be identical to the games you want to play. I suppose I'd suggest something like Christine Love's Digital. I played Narcissu for a bit, but it's really heavy going. KS is apparently very slow going as well. The likes of FSN and Tsukihime at least have some action to get people engaged.
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I wouldn't recommend anyone to start on Tsukihime or FSN until they've hammered in them the notion that VNs are books with some multimedia elements and minimum interactivity. While they have action, it's after long treks of exposition and drama, so it's not something I'd suggest to the crowd that doesn't like books in the first place, or who expect entertainment akin to an action movie where they just passively sponge the pretty visuals.
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Fate is my first visual novel, and I've loved it / put quite a lot of time into it. As long as you're not expecting to be doing much, visual novels are awesome. Anyhow, couple questions: Day 3 of Heaven's feel has Shirou dreaming sexually about Rin. What replaced that in Realta Nua? I seem to remember seeing a CG of Rin and Ayako getting intimate in the PG-13 way, but I've never been quite clear about it. Also, was Shirou's dream about the Fuyuki fire and cold induced by Rider? I seem to also remember hearing about that, but as far as I know that event is never brought up again, even when Rider becomes a house guest after Day 9.
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Nephilm posted:I wouldn't recommend anyone to start on Tsukihime or FSN until they've hammered in them the notion that VNs are books with some multimedia elements and minimum interactivity. While they have action, it's after long treks of exposition and drama, so it's not something I'd suggest to the crowd that doesn't like books in the first place, or who expect entertainment akin to an action movie where they just passively sponge the pretty visuals. Its a pretty titanic first game too. on the other hand, I think fsn should be played before muv luv, cuz as nice as people say fsn's battles are it seems like idiot garbage after muv luv, to me. It's hard not to have your sensibilities influenced a bit when you read a game for like 40 hours or whatever. I think I'd be more into fsn if I'd have played it first (I still haven't finished the last day of Ubw)
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DamnGlitch posted:It's hard not to have your sensibilities influenced a bit when you read a game for like 40 hours or whatever. That's definitely true. Something like F/SN can influence your tastes and even your ideology in ways that can make you uncomfortable when you think about it.
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Endorph posted:The battles in muv-luv are 90% clip-art and machine gun noises. ...with much less text describing every movement between the same two flashes of blades and sword sound effects. It's a buck a piece but at least muv luv /seems/ faster
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The good thing about FSN is that its opening is very strong, even if it slows down later. Muv-luv, if you count the first games, has one of the slowest openings ever, before getting to what the story is actually about.
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DamnGlitch posted:...with much less text describing every movement between the same two flashes of blades and sword sound effects. It's a buck a piece but at least muv luv /seems/ faster I'll have you know there are more than two flashes of blades  . Rotated graphics count as new ones, right?
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DamnGlitch posted:...with much less text describing every movement between the same two flashes of blades and sword sound effects. It's a buck a piece but at least muv luv /seems/ faster Actually there are at least 24 different kinds of blade flashes just in the Fate Route.
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