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bartolimu posted:AC Golden Hidden Barrel Apricot - Oh, how cute. Coors tried to make a microbrew thing. Oh, it's even better - they tried to make a sour beer. Oh well, might as well give it a tr- hey what the gently caress? This is GOOD. It's not as sour as FV13, but has decent acidity and real fruit backing. Unlike Cascade Apricot, there's no sense of fruit skin in the mouthfeel, nor any real tannic component. I was very pleasantly surprised by this and still kind of hate myself for it. Curiosity getting the best of me. Is this available outside Colorado? Sirotan posted:In other beer news, Jolly Pumpkin just announced they are releasing more Biere de Mars Grand Reserve this Sunday. I still have bottles from the last release several years ago, outside of Bambic it might be the best thing I've ever had from them. Hi beer e-friend please get me one and pass it along when I come visit Detroit/Ann Arbor in May  I'll bring Jester King and all sorts of other Texas stuff for you.
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air- posted:Curiosity getting the best of me. Is this available outside Colorado? i know some dudes who went to a Coors-sponsored seminar on sour/wild ales at CBC where they poured a bunch of their stuff to very positive reviews. apparently their brewers were insanely knowledgeable, too, so if they decide to get in the game, look out.
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Goddamn I'm excited. Actually, way more excited about going to JP than I am about Dark Lord Day. Sirotan, do you have plat? If so I'll message you my number and maybe we can meet up.
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Apr 23, 2013 18:17
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Pipeworks just put out Simcoe Ninja and Raspberry Truffle Abduction. Is the abduction the beer that everyone was geeking out about? They also said they may start canning next year. Interesting. E: mega jealous of you guys who can make it to JP. I waaaaant it hehe.
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crazyfish posted:Goddamn I'm excited. Actually, way more excited about going to JP than I am about Dark Lord Day. What time did you think you'd be there? I may or may not just run in when they open, grab beer and go. I guess it depends on who I can get to be my mule and if I have to reward them with free brunch...
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funkybottoms posted:i know some dudes who went to a Coors-sponsored seminar on sour/wild ales at CBC where they poured a bunch of their stuff to very positive reviews. apparently their brewers were insanely knowledgeable, too, so if they decide to get in the game, look out. Coors, Bud etc certainly don't hire lovely brewers. We might find their core product totally unappealing but they are making exactly the beer they want to insanely tight standards and it comes out right every time. I have no doubt that given free rein to make craft-style beer without marketing/financial constraints they would produce outstanding brews. Hell Mitch Steele came from Anheuser Busch and Stone seems to be doing pretty ok at making good beer. Docjowles fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Apr 23, 2013 |
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I'm really debating whether wine-barrel aged Alesmith Grand Cru sounds good or not. Its certainly too expensive to be worth purchasing, but I might light my curiosity get the better of me for one bottle.
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Apr 23, 2013 18:29
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Docjowles posted:Coors, Bud etc certainly don't hire lovely brewers. We might find their core product totally unappealing but they are making exactly the beer they want to insanely tight standards and it comes out right every time. correct- i don't think anyone isn't impressed from a technical perspective, and obviously a lot of people like their beer.
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funkybottoms posted:correct- i don't think anyone isn't impressed from a technical perspective, and obviously a lot of people like their beer. I sort of wonder how much of the process is automated at money levels like that.
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Sirotan posted:What time did you think you'd be there? I may or may not just run in when they open, grab beer and go. I guess it depends on who I can get to be my mule and if I have to reward them with free brunch... I'm hoping to get there at open (though given a four hour drive it may not work out exactly that way) and I'd *definitely* be sticking around for food. Let me know if you want any Chicago goodies...
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Where I used to work, we offered classes on wine and just recently expanded into beer (in the last two years or so). I taught a few courses - an intro to beer course, a course on Belgians (and Trappist beers), and some shorter intro classes that were more beer tastings than anything, where we explored specific styles. Each class (at least the ones I got to lead), I tried to bring in either a knowledgeable homebrewer or someone from a nearby craft brewery. On three occasions I have had brewers from the big guys. One from MillerCoors who taught us a hell of a lot about brewing with adjuncts (and not just corn/rice, but rye, oats, and wheat as well), and on two occasions we had AB InBev guys. One gave a quick talk on water quality and adjusting water chemistry and then lead our tasting of pilsner (an obvious choice) and then into kolsch and pale ale. The other brought a ton of malt samples with him and helped teach the group about the different flavors and colors you can get out of various malts. Two of the three were homebrewers. We might not like their beers very much in this thread, but the big multinationals have a lot of talent and knowledge behind the scenes. It's not a giant robot factory full of mindless drones. I've done a few tours at AB breweries (and one at a MillerCoors). There is a lot of automation, but it's just the scale that is so much different from smaller craft breweries. There's a little ~2-barrel brewery near me that is instrumented out the rear end with arduino-controlled stuff. They're basically doing the same thing the huge AB brewery is doing, just on a much tinier scale. It's awesome.
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crazyfish posted:Awesome. Talked to my wife about it, and we'll probably be getting up stupid early to drive there from Chicago. She actually likes some of Jolly Pumpkin's beers so I'm glad she won't be super left out Thanks for the offer, jerk. And I thought we were friends... (Seriously, I'd be down for a bottle if someone was willing to get me one.)
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Docjowles posted:Coors, Bud etc certainly don't hire lovely brewers. We might find their core product totally unappealing but they are making exactly the beer they want to insanely tight standards and it comes out right every time. I have no doubt that given free rein to make craft-style beer without marketing/financial constraints they would produce outstanding brews. Exactly. A lot of people don't realize that making a BMC-type beer, no matter how much craft dudes don't like it, is really difficult and especially difficult to do consistently like the big guys. It's very hard to hide flaws in such a beer that aren't per recipe.
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danbanana posted:Thanks for the offer, jerk. And I thought we were friends... Wife is coming along so I may have a bottle for you in the end 
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funkybottoms posted:correct- i don't think anyone isn't impressed from a technical perspective, and obviously a lot of people like their beer. Yup: quote:“People are making not very good wild and sour beer, and if consumers think that’s what it tastes like, it’s a problem for me,” he said. http://blogs.denverpost.com/beer/2012/03/21/hidden-ac-goldens-sour-beers/3199/
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If it is a good beer, I don't care who makes it. If they put out a range of good sours, you better believe I'll be drinking them. On a related note, I am down to five bottles of Allagash FV 13 
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Angry Grimace posted:I sort of wonder how much of the process is automated at money levels like that. This is my wonder as well. I know there are many talented brewers there, but how much work are they actually doing? I would imagine that Bud, Miller, and Coors would have state of the art equipment which would make things a lot easier. In beer talk, this was posted on Ratebeer and I thought some of it was funny. The saison part mostly. Those in New Jersey, Carton's beer has been making it's way around the Southern parts and every beer I've had by them has been great to excellent. GORP and 077xx are excellent, GORP being a porter with chocolate and peanuts fermented on black raisins and it's outstanding. Lot's of peanut and chocolate flavors and aromas with a subtle raisin backing. 077xx is an outstanding West coast inspired IPA with a complex hop profile that goes from mango and pineapple to grapefruit to oranges. It's very bold and drinks great. I had BDG last night and it was interesting, it has a nice malty body with some cocoa hints, but it has a light spice through it and it's rather fruity. If you see Carton in your area, definitely try them. Edit: Has anyone ever had a swing top bottle break on them when opening it using your two thumbs to push the metal off popping the bung out? Midorka fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Apr 23, 2013 |
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When something goes wrong, automation can't necessarily fix the problem. A talented brewer can. When developing a new recipe or adapting one, again, a microcontroller only goes so far.Midorka posted:In beer talk, this was posted on Ratebeer and I thought some of it was funny. The saison part mostly. This needs to be in the OP.
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FreelanceSocialist posted:When something goes wrong, automation can't necessarily fix the problem. A talented brewer can. When developing a new recipe or adapting one, again, a microcontroller only goes so far. And so do the "Today's Beer Geek" videos: http://vimeo.com/user10854696
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crazyfish posted:Wife is coming along so I may have a bottle for you in the end Score. GI just tweeted pics of their 25th anniversary beer on the bottling line. It's an "imperial ESB," which I can only assume is like what Double DBA would be without the barrel-aging. Anyway, I will likely try it. danbanana fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Apr 23, 2013 |
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Automation goes a large way for making the process work out alright consistently. But remember for beer like american lager ingredients are going to do so much. Guess who gets to dictate the grain and hops suppliers?
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zedprime posted:Automation goes a large way for making the process work out alright consistently. But remember for beer like american lager ingredients are going to do so much. Guess who gets to dictate the grain and hops suppliers? According to Stan Hieryonmous in "For the Love of Hops," its dictated by bean counters who want to make it as cheap as possible, e.g. whoever submits the lowest bid.
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ChiTownEddie posted:Pipeworks just put out Simcoe Ninja and Raspberry Truffle Abduction. Is the abduction the beer that everyone was geeking out about? Coffee Abduction is pretty goddamn good and Raspberry Truffle is worth a try if you can find it.
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Lovechild No. 3 day has started off quite well and I haven't even gone to pick up my reserved bottle or hit up my beer stocking friend's stash yet. In other Boulevard news, looks like they are going to actually start releasing some of their pilot brews. First one sounds very interesting. http://www.kansascity.com/2013/04/23/4197874/boulevard-releases-experimental.html
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Compusaurus posted:Coffee Abduction is pretty goddamn good and Raspberry Truffle is worth a try if you can find it. Cool. I'm one of those that gets a bottle of everything reserved for a bit if I want it, but I've been lax about trying everything lately. I'll definitely grab these latest two though.
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Angry Grimace posted:According to Stan Hieryonmous in "For the Love of Hops," its dictated by bean counters who want to make it as cheap as possible, e.g. whoever submits the lowest bid. Then they are even more wizards than I would have imagined.
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The delivery contract has stipulations on product quality, not just price and quantity. Breweries regularly reject materials that don't meet their standards. Yes, profit margins matter, but what matters more is producing a consistent product - and at the level the big breweries are operating at, QA/QC often has the final word. It's not all about evil accountants and getting lowest-bidder swill out the door. For a beer that truly meets your expectations on that front, I suggest trying a can of Big Flats 1901 contract-brewed by World Beers for convenience stores in the US.
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With people flipping out over Parabola, I wonder if its going to be a huge pain to get Velvet Merkin this year. It's only the first year so maybe it will fly under the radar.
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Angry Grimace posted:With people flipping out over Parabola, I wonder if its going to be a huge pain to get Velvet Merkin this year. It's only the first year so maybe it will fly under the radar. a barrel-aged beer from FW
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funkybottoms posted:a barrel-aged beer from FW Sucaba sits for a while in Chicago (a month?) and some places more. I can still snag a bottle at two shops I know. Double DBA is still readily available. I think the "BA stout" aspect of Parabola makes it a lot more truck-chaser friendly, so there's hope for Merkin. Captain Shortbus posted:Lovechild No. 3 day has started off quite well and I haven't even gone to pick up my reserved bottle or hit up my beer stocking friend's stash yet. 1. I had no idea this was out already. gently caress. Hopefully more hits Chicago than last year. Otherwise, Shortbus, you'll be hearing from me... 2. LC3, Dark Lord, and a Grand Reserve from JP within 6 days of each other. Best week?
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danbanana posted:2. LC3, Dark Lord, and a Grand Reserve from JP within 6 days of each other. Best week? Worst week for those of us out of range...
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danbanana posted:Sucaba sits for a while in Chicago (a month?) and some places more. I can still snag a bottle at two shops I know. Double DBA is still readily available. I think the "BA stout" aspect of Parabola makes it a lot more truck-chaser friendly, so there's hope for Merkin. uh, isn't Velvet Merkin a stout?
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Is it actually being released as "Merkin"? I could be totally wrong here, but I thought the whole reason their stout is called "Velvet Merlin" was that the government objected to the name and wouldn't let them use it. Then Firestone reused the Merkin name for the barrel aged version because (at the time) it wasn't being sold publicly and therefore didn't need label approval.
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funkybottoms posted:uh, isn't Velvet Merkin a stout? Yes! But the name doesn't have the cache that Parabola does. I just would be very surprised if the chasers were out for this.
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danbanana posted:Yes! But the name doesn't have the cache that Parabola does. I just would be very surprised if the chasers were out for this. Probably not to the degree of Parabola, BCBS variants, or KBS, but I know it's one of my most anticipated releases of the year.
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danbanana posted:2. LC3, Dark Lord, and a Grand Reserve from JP within 6 days of each other. Best week? And then a short break before CCBW starts Sounds legit to me.
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funkybottoms posted:yup, Kant. a lot of good soccer players and Nicola Sacco, too! That would be amazing. I'd love a second bottle of Enjoy By. As for Doom, I actually almost bought it today at OUaV South, but there was a Sucaba sitting right next to it so I got that instead. No idea how I lucked my way into that. As for the crab taste, later on tonight I'll crack one and see what exactly I'm getting-- Old Bay pops up in my memory, but also a faint fishiness. We'll see. I also acquired Maui's Aloha B'ak'tun since it looks like a pretty bizarre brew with some promise. And because I have yet to get back at my friend who brought the pink bottle around, I picked up Flying Dog's Green Tea Imperial Stout which looks like it'll be suitably incredibad.
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danbanana posted:Sucaba sits for a while in Chicago (a month?) and some places more. I can still snag a bottle at two shops I know. Double DBA is still readily available. I think the "BA stout" aspect of Parabola makes it a lot more truck-chaser friendly, so there's hope for Merkin. Sucaba doesn't sit in Chicago proper, but it does in the burbs. Double DBA is still around though. My wallet is going to hate me so bad. I already picked up Doom, Stone Espresso, and Double Trouble today (finally finishing 100/100 beers of fame!) then Dark Lord Day and Biere de Mars GR this weekend, not including gas to both. Good thing I didn't spend all that much on beer the rest of the month.
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