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Erin Fitzgerald's voice is a great fit for Chie, but I can't really stand that voice. It's irritating as hell sometimes, usually when she yells. Her inside voice is alright though. However, Erin's Chie is never as bad as her Midori. gently caress, Midori's hard to listen to.
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Ara posted:So I'm playing this for the first time in Japanese and after seeing all the fuss about Chie getting a new voice actor, I decided to find some voice clips on Youtube to see how the English voice actors compared to the originals. To be honest, I think it's just because people played the original for so long and got used to the voice. I massively prefer Chie's new voice actress because of the reasons already mentioned (sounds more like the right age, fits her character better, etc.), though I do think she sounds a touch screechy at times. However, I don't know if I'd feel the same way had I first played 100-odd hours of P4 before playing P4G.
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I got about 20 hours into P4 on the PS2 before my PS2 broke down, and I really like Chie's new voice actress. She seems much more emotional, everything the PS2 actress said sounded distant and forced. Also kinda a dumb question but does anyone know if Shuffle Time is affected by difficulty at all? I mean I played my first play through on Normal and it seems I got a Persona level up or Skill Upgrade card at least once a trip into the TV. Now I'm 25 hrs into a NG+ on Very Easy (just doing a different story, didn't want to have to grind a lot) and I haven't seen one skill upgrade card yet. Maybe it's because my Personae outlevel me?
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Apr 17, 2013 18:11
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kirbysuperstar posted:Sometimes it is acknowledged, at the fireworks event Chie accidentally let on that we'd gone to the shrine twice and everyone else was like "Wait, what?". But yeah, generally not. 
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Apr 17, 2013 19:54
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U.T. Raptor posted:The best part of the festival is taking Chie if you're dating her. Look it up on Youtube it is the best thing Chie's entire romance plot is great, especially her reaction to the beauty pageant and the Valentine's scene. I'm glad I did it first.
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Apr 17, 2013 20:06
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There aren't really any voices in the different versions I hate. I like both Chies, but I've been a fan of Fitzgerald since she voiced Alkaid in the .hack//GU series. Sam Riegel and Dave Wittenberg are both great Teddies, but Wittenberg is one of my favorite VAs. Dude's great at emoting. It's interesting to replay P2:EP and hear Amanda Winn Lee (Yukiko) voicing Ulala. Always fun, noticing stuff like that. I'm positive that Wittenberg is Katsuya Suou and Tatsuya Sudou too.
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Apr 17, 2013 20:09
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I watched the P4 anime before playing the game and I think both casts are fantastic. The tone of some characters feel different but that doesnt make them worse in my opinion. Troy Baker Kanji feels more laid back than Tomokazu Seki, Naoto is more obviously female in the English one (or, at least, Romi Paku frequently voices young men), but they all do fantastic jobs. I enjoyed the original Chie (watching the Endurance Run on GiantBomb) but I warmed up to the new one and agree that shes more similar to the Jap. Chie.
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smenj posted:To be honest, I think it's just because people played the original for so long and got used to the voice. I massively prefer Chie's new voice actress because of the reasons already mentioned (sounds more like the right age, fits her character better, etc.), though I do think she sounds a touch screechy at times. However, I don't know if I'd feel the same way had I first played 100-odd hours of P4 before playing P4G. After actually playing through Golden though and hearing them have full conversations instead of just one liners I'll gladly admit that I was wrong about the new voice actors. Granted I still don't think Chie's original voice was bad, but the new one is definitely better (though whenever I get an all out attack prompt from her, I still miss the dumb reading of "aha is this our chance") and both of Teddie's voice actors are so great I couldn't pick between either of them.
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projecthalaxy posted:Also kinda a dumb question but does anyone know if Shuffle Time is affected by difficulty at all? I mean I played my first play through on Normal and it seems I got a Persona level up or Skill Upgrade card at least once a trip into the TV. Now I'm 25 hrs into a NG+ on Very Easy (just doing a different story, didn't want to have to grind a lot) and I haven't seen one skill upgrade card yet. Maybe it's because my Personae outlevel me? They're semi-rare cards so there will be streaks of not getting any. Also it's possible you have less Shuffle Times in general since enemies are easier to kill in NG+ unless you are intentionally holding back. If you want to force a Shuffle Time, make sure you kill the last enemy with an all-out attack as this guarantees that you'll get it. If you want to make this easier, buy lots of elemental attack items from the general store to allow you to exploit all the various elemental weaknesses without having to swap personas, or without killing enemies early due to the attack magic being too powerful. AG3 fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Apr 18, 2013 |
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Guys, I need your help - is there any way at all of changing the order in which my characters take their turns in a round? A certain late-game boss keeps killing me pretty much entirely due to this one issue.
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BreakAtmo posted:Guys, I need your help - is there any way at all of changing the order in which my characters take their turns in a round? A certain late-game boss keeps killing me pretty much entirely due to this one issue. The order is decided by the agility stat of each member. The exception is the first turn, which will always allow the protagonist to move first. Not sure if this changes if the enemy gets an advantage attack on you, since my MC is usually always the one with the highest agility anyway. AG3 fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Apr 24, 2013 |
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Apr 24, 2013 14:00
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AG3 posted:The exception is the first turn, which will always allow the protagonist to move first. Not always, I don't think. While MC is usually the one to go first, occasionally I've had Yosuke or someone go before me.
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Apr 24, 2013 14:19
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Yeah, Naoto always goes first in my game.
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Apr 24, 2013 14:46
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Oh wait, it's the protagonist first in the first round if you have an advantage attack, otherwise it's purely agility based, isn't it? I haven't played a non-NG+ game with low-level personas in ages so I can't remember. I also usually avoid advantage attacks since I vastly prefer Time to Make History over the old P4 theme 
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So I'm at the 40 hour mark, the Summer Holidays are just about to start, and I figured I'd share some of my thoughts with you guys. I'm still playing the original on the PS2 so some of this isn't incredibly relevant. -Still completely blown away by how mature the story can be in places. Also blown away by how they managed that despite the naff dialogue in places -I'm only just starting to feel less swamped with choices every single day. Most of my early game was spent freaking out and not knowing at all what to do, now I've got Yoskue and Yukiko maxed, and I feel a bit more focused. A Bit. -I still have no loving clue how to do Fusing properly. All my personas suck. -If I die in on Floor 7 of a dungeon one more time and lose 1-2 hours of progress I think I'll have a stroke. -I loved how the early designs of the Personas mirrored the shadowselves very closely, but were more of a 'positive' version. Kinda sad they drop that after Yukiko. -I can't believe I care this much about this gang of dumbasses, but damned if every one of them isn't endearing in some way. -The music keeps going from loving Awesome, to kinda Dumb, back to Awesome again. The Dumb Dip was when I actually listened to the lyrics. -Still kinda concerned that there isn't nearly enough time to get all the Social Links I want. I'm really struggling to raise every stat high enough while maintaining a cash flow and raising other social links. -The battle system is a lot of fun, every fight feels more like a puzzle and the resource management of the dungeon crawler is ace.
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Nemesis Of Moles posted:-I still have no loving clue how to do Fusing properly. All my personas suck. I pretty much ignored fusing in the PS2 version because it was such a hassle to get the personas to inherit the skill combinations I wanted. P4G made fusing vastly more convenient and intuitive, to the point where I even bothered to complete the compendium.
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I'm doing a second playthrough because I want to get that platinum, and I'm getting fed up trying to get the Hardcore Risette Fan trophy. There doesn't seem to be a consensus anywhere else, so I'm not holding out too much hope here, but does anybody know if the lines from your previous playthrough carry over to NG+?
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smenj posted:I'm doing a second playthrough because I want to get that platinum, and I'm getting fed up trying to get the Hardcore Risette Fan trophy. There doesn't seem to be a consensus anywhere else, so I'm not holding out too much hope here, but does anybody know if the lines from your previous playthrough carry over to NG+?
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Nemesis Of Moles posted:-I still have no loving clue how to do Fusing properly. All my personas suck. quote:-If I die in on Floor 7 of a dungeon one more time and lose 1-2 hours of progress I think I'll have a stroke. quote:-I loved how the early designs of the Personas mirrored the shadowselves very closely, but were more of a 'positive' version. Kinda sad they drop that after Yukiko. Anyway, I just got to the part where they announced the location for the school trip. Wondering if there will be some cameos. Really digging this game, probably going to pick up a Vita if/when Dangan Ronpa 3 comes out just for this and that. Which reminds me, the Persona 2 games are also on PSP, did those hold up well? Am I gonna be disappointed if I play them now after 3 and 4?
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Ara posted:Hate to tell you this, but there is a cheap item that lets you go back to the beginning of the dungeon, save, then you can go back in and resume your progress. Not sure what it's called in the English version, it's called like a "return rail" in the Japanese. You can always go back to the highest floor you've visited from the entrance of the dungeon. quote:Which reminds me, the Persona 2 games are also on PSP, did those hold up well? Am I gonna be disappointed if I play them now after 3 and 4?
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I've been using Goho-M, its just I've only just hit the point where I can afford to buy a lot of them. And having to go through all that is pretty annoying. I'm being way more careful since last time though.
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There are 2 persona 2s? Which is the one to play first?
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Annath posted:There are 2 persona 2s? Which is the one to play first? Innocent Sin comes before Eternal Punishment.
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Nate RFB posted:They're different in almost every way. P2 is very much a PSX late 90's JRPG, with all of the older/obsolete mechanics you'd expect from the era. I think its gameplay is pretty decent all things considered, but definitely don't expect it to be as snappy and streamlined as P3/P4. On the other hand, I think P2 has by far the best plot in the whole MegaTen franchise and is probably my favorite title for that reason alone. Innocent Sin has an amazing soundtrack, too. Thanks, I'll probably give the first one a try. I really like the blend of daily life and crazy poo poo in these games, and I played my share of old RPGs back when they were new. Nemesis Of Moles posted:I've been using Goho-M, its just I've only just hit the point where I can afford to buy a lot of them. And having to go through all that is pretty annoying. I'm being way more careful since last time though. Just to make sure, since I didn't realize this until I'd cleared a couple dungeons: Are you selling your giant piles of poo poo that you pick up from every fight at the blacksmith? I've been rolling in money (and non-decrepit equipment) ever since I discovered that.
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Ara posted:If you find there are some skills that you really like/are really strong, you can go to the screen where you see what persona will be born and the skills they will inherit, then cancel out and do it again to roll the dice again. Spread the good skills around and keep fusing it onto more, then you can summon old ones back with the archive thing. Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying here, you don't need to do this in Golden? You can just manually select what skills you want to inherit. For a first play through, what I'd advise is that when they tell you that forming social links will make you stronger, it's not just JRPG fluff. The best way to keep up with the dungeons is to fuse a lot, particularly personas where you've levelled up the corresponding social link, because it gives them bonus exp. Keep migrating over useful skills (high level elemental spells, group buff spells etc). Remember, the main character's main strength is that he can fill gaps in your party if you need them, so try to have a variety of personas available and just play around with them until you find ones you like. EDIT: Just saw the guy you were responding too said he was playing the original P4, I'm an idiot.
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AG3 posted:The order is decided by the agility stat of each member. The exception is the first turn, which will always allow the protagonist to move first. Not sure if this changes if the enemy gets an advantage attack on you, since my MC is usually always the one with the highest agility anyway. poo poo. I'm at Namatame and I want to have the others go first to find out which element he buffed with Quad Converge, THEN switch to the appropriate Persona, but the game forces me to take the MC's turn first, so I have to guess which Persona to switch to. If I get it wrong, I'm dead.
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BreakAtmo posted:poo poo. I'm at Namatame and I want to have the others go first to find out which element he buffed with Quad Converge, THEN switch to the appropriate Persona, but the game forces me to take the MC's turn first, so I have to guess which Persona to switch to. If I get it wrong, I'm dead. You could always just pick a defensive Persona and guard your first turn.
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If you have Magic Mirrors/Makaracorn/a Persona with the Makarakarn skill, use them. If you don't have those, you should be able to fuse Lilith quite easily at this point.
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Revitalized posted:You could always just pick a defensive Persona and guard your first turn. The thing is that I was trying to find out what element had been buffed ASAP. I will give this a shot though. Dr. Ohnoman posted:If you have Magic Mirrors/Makaracorn/a Persona with the Makarakarn skill, use them. If you don't have those, you should be able to fuse Lilith quite easily at this point. Thanks. I do actually have Magic Mirrors, but they didn't work. Here's how the last time went. Namatame: Quad Converge Yu: Switch to Hokuto-Seikun (weak to Fire, repels electric), use Ziodyne, does tiny damage. Chie: Bufula, puny damage. Naoto: Garudyne, puny danage. Yukiko: Magic Mirror on Yu. Namatame: Maragiodyne, gets repelled by Magic Mirror but still gets another turn due to hitting Chie. Maragiodyne again, hits Yu for weakness, gets a third turn, Maragiodyne AGAIN, kills me. I guess guarding after Quad Converge is the only method, which kind of sucks. I wish it was remotely possible to find out what element got the buff BEFORE switching Personas, which would be possible if you had more control over the order of turns. The fact that there are no weaknesses to the bosses in a game which is all about exploiting weaknesses strikes me as unfair already, but this guy really annoys me. I'm probably underleveled though - Yu is at about Lv63, with the others around Lv60. Either way, I'll see if I can get Makarakarn. If not, guarding.
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You'd want to use Magic Mirrors/Makarakarn on all your party members. It ends up trivializing the fight if you have enough items or can stand the SP cost (about 50 a pop, iirc). Also, you'd definitely want to use a Persona with no weaknesses for the fight. Black Frost, while kinda low leveled, still works pretty well.
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Echoing that you should probably fuse something with no weaknesses. Personally I switched to my tri-auto Tam Lin, which you can fuse at level 52. Through fusing random Personas I also ended up with a LOT of Null Winds (from Sarasvati), Absorb Fires (from Hell Biker) and Repel Elecs (from Garuda?) to pass around so check your Compendium to see what you can pass on. e: as a handy bonus, Tam Lin comes with Enduring Soul! ...at level 59. Enduring Soul acts like an auto-Samarecarm when the MC's HP hits zero and is an awesome safety net for bosses and trash mobs with Light/Dark skills. Fall fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Apr 25, 2013 |
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I'm gonna go against the grain a little bit and say that having a persona without weaknesses is nice, but not particularly necessary. It's not impossible to win as you are right now, you just have to be smarter about protecting your weaknesses and not giving the boss a bunch of extra turns. A big thing that you'll really want to avoid is doubling up on weaknesses, to minimize triple turns. A boss getting two turns is painful but usually survivable. A boss getting three turns, especially from hitting your MC's weakness? That's ruinous. With your current party, Chie is weak to fire and Yukiko is weak to ice, so you should probably avoid being weak to either. Secondly, you really are better off guarding through his first attack, especially if it could hit your weakness. Whatever element he hits you with is also the element that will work best on him (if I'm remembering correctly), so tank his first hit and then go to town. You don't even have to guard with everybody if you feel like trying to get a lucky shot, but you should almost definitely guard with Yu. Your teammates can be revived if they go down. You can't. Also, you should probably not be using Bufula at all with Chie. For one thing, even if you're lucky enough for it to be the effective element, you don't have anyone else who can actually exploit it until Yu's turn rolls around again, unless Naoto's got Bufudyne. For another, at this point in the game you really shouldn't be using Chie as anything other than a physical blaster for bosses. Her magic stat is just too low for Bufula to be anywhere near effective, even if it's the boosted element. You'd be a lot better off with a physical attack. If Chie somehow doesn't have any decent physical attacks, you're honestly better off using anyone besides Chie. Griptape fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Apr 25, 2013 |
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Thanks guys, but I ended up beating him. It was some grueling poo poo and I had to blow some good items including my only Soma when he was nearly dead, but I got there. I made sure to guard after Quad Converge, and I also did some fusing so that I had at least one repelling Persona for every element. His break moves still hosed around with that strategy but I was able to get some decent repels on him. I just wish that there was some way, any way, of getting an extra turn on these rear end in a top hat bosses. It doesn't seem like too much to ask in a game where the main feature of the combat system is getting extra turns through smart tactics. Oh well, moving on, and I'll make sure to remember your advice for next time.
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BreakAtmo posted:I just wish that there was some way, any way, of getting an extra turn on these rear end in a top hat bosses. It doesn't seem like too much to ask in a game where the main feature of the combat system is getting extra turns through smart tactics. Oh well, moving on, and I'll make sure to remember your advice for next time. Well there's getting a critical hit, but I don't think that's exactly what you're looking for.
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BreakAtmo posted:It was some grueling poo poo and I had to blow some good items including my only Soma when he was nearly dead, but I got there. Grats on making it past him. And you're better off using items like that in tough fights like this anyway; if you use it and win, then you can keep going on with the game. If you use it and lose, at least you'll still have it when you reload your save. But if you try and save it for later and keep dying as a result, then it's not doing you any good to hold on to it anyway.
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alcharagia posted:Well there's getting a critical hit, but I don't think that's exactly what you're looking for. Can you actually get a critical on them? I've gone through multiple bossfights including this one doing plenty of physicals, often using Revolution and Apt Pupil, and I have never gotten a Critical Hit, so I assumed that most later bosses were simply immune to them. W.T. Fits posted:Grats on making it past him. And you're better off using items like that in tough fights like this anyway; if you use it and win, then you can keep going on with the game. If you use it and lose, at least you'll still have it when you reload your save. But if you try and save it for later and keep dying as a result, then it's not doing you any good to hold on to it anyway. Yeah, I agree that this is the sort of thing you should save items for, it's just that he only had a few hundred HP left when I was forced into using it. I almost made it out without the Soma. Oh well
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Ok, this game is awesome, but after nearly finishing it for the third time (first time for Golden though), I have to say which things bother me. First, what I really love about this game is the everyday aspect about it. When I played P4 for the first time, I liked going to school and hanging out with my friends a lot more than I liked the JRPG stuff like entering the fantasy world and rescuing people. I really hope P5 will have the same kind of everyday life feeling in it. So of course when that feeling gets disrupted in this game, it bothers me. I'm talking about the beauty pageant, for example. Those girls are all ordinary students - well, with the exception of Rise - so why are there no other contestants besides them, except for Hanako and Kashiwagi? And why do everyone know them? I understand that Yukiko might be the most popular girl in school - this was foreshadowed with the talk about "the Amagi challenge" after all - but it felt really weird when someone in the audience said that Chie has a lot of secret admirers. So far Chie has been portrayed as the goofy character who doesn't socialize that much, at least by dating. So how come everyone of those girls is known to the entire school by name and face and even has fans? Is the school simply so small that everyone knows everyone by name? Nah, this thing just stands out too much. And this is of course just the extension of the problem of everyone wearing the school uniform while only Yukiko and Chie use really distinctive clothing. In P4 Golden the Junes concert was the same kind cause of disbelief. I can totally see a group of friends going to the beach and having fun there, but giving a concert for a big audience after practicing for a day is something else entirely. It pushes things way too far. Another thing that bothers me in Golden is Marie. One reason I like the cast so much is because how mature and reflective they are despite being teenagers. Marie is the opposite. She's the teenaged character of the game. I imagine a person like that'd be really obnoxious in real life, so I don't want to hang around with her that much in the game either. Come on, I'm not interested in your poems. I don't want to read them. I only read them cause they're shoved in my face and I can't avoid it. And learn to control your tantrums. I know I'm a stupid jerk you hate, you said it already. Anyway, the reason why P4 is perhaps my favorite game of all time is because how different it is compared to other JRPGs. It's dialogue and dialogue's presentation are really polished. It's story and characters are exceptionally realistic, which is even more important for me. So when something breaks that realism I'm bothered by it. That's the reason I've never liked Teddie and Fox that much either. I guess my dream game would be Crime and Punishment by Atlus. 
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