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Mr Wind Up Bird posted:Thinly disguised voice actor jokes Holy poo poo that art style just looks wrong.
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Mr Wind Up Bird posted:Thinly disguised voice actor jokes That is seriously creepy as gently caress. And you can tell that the designers got their green light construct groove on in the JLU episode where half the group gets turned into kids. Kid John couldn't decide what to make, so what does he default to? Giant missile shooting mecha.
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Apr 24, 2013 02:51
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Die Laughing posted:Barry Allen was total whitebread, while Hal was the kick rear end space cowboy. Test pilot was as cool as it got back in the early sixties. If he was created a few years later he would've been an astronaut. Nah, astronaut doesn't give the same excuse to have him randomly flying around. And as someone who's read a LOT of Silver Age GL (I can see 4 volumes of Showcase Presents from where I'm sitting), he's really not that much more interesting than any other character of the period. Replace Superman 'teaching Lois a lesson' with 'Green Lantern weaselling out of a date/marriage proposal from Carol' and you've got the plot for every second story. The rest being random supervillain, random regular criminal, and general space wackiness.
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Apr 24, 2013 03:17
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Reinanigans posted:I'm going through the JL episodes again too, and boy is this first season just as bad as I remember. It's probably the worst thing the DCAU ever produced, unless you count The Zeta Project, I guess. Is the general conensus to not like the first season, or are people just speaking up as they re-watch it? I thought the first season was pretty good, establishing the dynamic and relationships between the founding members. Each story has plenty of time to build properly without throwing everything at you at once. Between the Manhunters, Aquaman, The Legion of Doom (in an early form), Mongul, the JSA, Etrigan, and Vandal Savage you get a good cross section of the different parts that make up the DC Universe. I also thinks its crazy to say these storylines are the "worst thing the DCAU ever produced" when Batman vs Mutated Farm Animals is out there (among other later episodes of Batman and Superman). I actually find some of the episodes in Justice League Unlimited to be a bit too much, so you are just throwing a ton of characters on the screen with a quick resolve to the problem due to time constraints. Not to say this is a common problem, since there are a ton of JLU episodes I love.
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Apr 24, 2013 15:46
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The first season of Justice League suffers a lot from solutions either happening suddenly or plot developments not really solving anything. Manhunter gets hosed with in the head by Morgana Le Fey for an entire episode, is constantly shat on by Etrigan because of how much of an idiot he's being and refuses to listen because he wants his family back. At the end of the episode he just decides he wants to be good again and crushes the artifact, that's fine and dandy, but there's not really a lot of build up to it and it kind of just happens which makes it a bit more flaccid, especially since it was preceded by him kicking the crap out of Etrigan. The episode I mentioned earlier where Fury wants to kill every man also would've had the same ending no matter what happened. Had Fury not even been told that a man saved her life, she still would've gone through with like she did, just now she can be more evil because she's like "Oh all of my teachings are kind of bullshit and men might not be that bad, but I'm still going to believe in the teachings by the woman who's lied to me and still kill all men," like what was the point of that revelation? There's a lot of problems with Fury actually, I can't think of anything about the episode I genuinely enjoyed. The entire Injustice League episode is loving nuts, but it's just crazy hilarious. In Blackest Night also suffers a lot from suspension of disbelief being shattered quite a bit of stuff. Basically, John Stewart accidentally blows up a planet bits it turns out the planet is actually being cloaked by a device and the explosion was fake, okay. First of all, everyone immediately assumes it's real and apparently does no investigation on where it happened, not even the Green Lanterns who need probing from Hawkgirl to actually stick up for their comrade. It turns out the entire thing was a ploy to get the Guardians away from Oa so the Manhunters could get power, they do and then the problem is solved by John just sucking up the energy Manhunter and blasting him into space, nice to know it was that easy. There's other episodes with problems like this too, but enough of that. I finished Season 2 and pretty much all of it is better than Season 1, but there's still a few problems I have. I really didn't care for Green Lantern and Hawkgirl's romance, it's a romance between a boring character like John Stewart and Hawkgirl, who is more interesting but still on the lower end of... well I can't really care. I didn't like the season finale either because it focuses too much on that romance, Hawgirl's other guy, and the Thanagarians generally being awful people. The Terror Beyond has too much of Fate not explaining at all why he's doing what he's doing so everyone is dumb as a result and causes a problem. A Better World is a great episode, with just a bizarre opening in that Batman perfectly accepts Superman's murder of Lex Luthor, but it leads to the best parts of the episode so whatever I guess I can give that one a pass. That all being said, Season 2 was great, Tabula Rasa, Wild Cards, Hereafter, and Only a Dream were really fantastic episodes and I can't wait to get into JLU.
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Apr 24, 2013 18:13
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My biggest problem with the GL/Hawkgirl stuff is that GL seems to forgive her at the end of Starcrossed, but then it seems to be an issue again in JLU. Now first we had to suffer through a poorly written, hamfisted lovestory, but then the resolution from the original is tossed out in favor of more stupid conflict. Great.
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Apr 24, 2013 18:40
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Justice League Season 1: Everything Hurts Superman
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Apr 25, 2013 02:54
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Mr Wind Up Bird posted:Thinly disguised voice actor jokes gently caress this show and everything about it.
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Apr 25, 2013 04:29
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omg chael crash posted:Another thing about Green Guardsmen: KungFu Grip posted:Holy poo poo that art style just looks wrong.
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Apr 25, 2013 05:09
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Someone set me right on this: the final season of JLU was really meant to be two seasons, right? Destroyer is a great episode but it really, really needed to be at least a two parter.
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Apr 25, 2013 05:19
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Sex_Ferguson posted:The Terror Beyond has too much of Fate not explaining at all why he's doing what he's doing so everyone is dumb as a result and causes a problem. I just watched that one earlier this week and it's basically a condensed version of the trouble with superhero teamups. The heroes fight over poo poo that could have been solved in two minutes with like one "Hey, we're saving the world here, okay?" from Fate and/or Aquaman. Instead, whenever Supes, Wonder Woman, and Hawkgirl bust in, the immediate reaction is "GET OUT OR WE'LL HIT YOU". Hell, even if Fate couldn't be bothered to talk for doing enchantments and Aquaman was just a dick, Fate's wife was right there and could've given Superman an abridged version of "We are sealing Cthulhu, please do not disturb" But whatever, it gave us a really good episode and that really sad scene in JLU where Hawkgirl has to put Grundy down like Old Yeller. e: Also, watching the Starcrossed 3-parter with my little brother for the first time and he pointed out that it's kind of hilarious that when the League is on the run picking out civilian disguises, everybody picks out inconspicuous clothing including billionaire playboy Bruce Wayne, but Superman goes and manages to find a perfect copy of that same drat blue suit he always wears throughout S:TAS/JL TwoPair fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Apr 25, 2013 |
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Apr 25, 2013 05:34
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Mr Wind Up Bird posted:Thinly disguised voice actor jokes This and Starfire's reaction to Robin complimenting her hair were the only funny things about the whole episode. The show has just started so I'm willing to wait until the first Season is over to see what my verdict is, but this first episode is not promising. I understand it's a kids comedy, but that doesn't mean you throw 50 jokes at a wall and two of them work so it's a success. This being said, I hope Slade voiced by Ron Perlman shows up just because I want to see if they're just going to make him deadpan as hell. TwoPair posted:e: Also, watching the Starcrossed 3-parter with my little brother for the first time and he pointed out that it's kind of hilarious that when the League is on the run picking out civilian disguises, everybody picks out inconspicuous clothing including billionaire playboy Bruce Wayne, but Superman goes and manages to find a perfect copy of that same drat blue suit he always wears throughout S:TAS/JL This was especially funny given that Martian Manhunter who we never see take on a human disguise for the whole series picks a good one and Superman is still in that loving suit. Anyways, JLU's really good, I like how JLU continues the tradition of the only well written romance being Bruce and Diana's, mostly because there's never mushy bullshit between them and they actually act like a couple even if they technically aren't. Also, The Question is loving amazing, I mean I've read some of his comics and liked him, but holy hell he is absolutely hysterical in JLU. Captain Baal fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Apr 25, 2013 |
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Apr 25, 2013 05:57
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Sex_Ferguson posted:This was especially funny given that Martian Manhunter who we never see take on a human disguise for the whole series picks a good one and Superman is still in that loving suit. We saw J'onn take on that same human form when he went home with Clark for Christmas. Also Hawkgirl didn't know who Clark really was so why should he take on a new identity? Also he used said identity to provide a distraction for GL and Flash so they could get on that train.
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Apr 25, 2013 07:01
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Rhyno posted:We saw J'onn take on that same human form when he went home with Clark for Christmas. Also Hawkgirl didn't know who Clark really was so why should he take on a new identity? Also he used said identity to provide a distraction for GL and Flash so they could get on that train. Oh yeah, I completely forget J'onn transformed into that form in the Christmas episode, it was not memorable at all. Also, it's not really a matter of taking on a new identity, it's a matter of him always being in that same god damned suit even when they're trying to be inconspicuous that's funny. Also, what does the latter have to do with anything? I made no mention of his identity needing changing. Is that suit actually Clark Kent and so Superman needs to wear it otherwise he can't report or are you trying to make some point when I and another poster was just saying it was silly he had the exact same suit on.
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Apr 25, 2013 07:10
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Sex_Ferguson posted:Oh yeah, I completely forget J'onn transformed into that form in the Christmas episode, it was not memorable at all. Also, it's not really a matter of taking on a new identity, it's a matter of him always being in that same god damned suit even when they're trying to be inconspicuous that's funny. Also, what does the latter have to do with anything? I made no mention of his identity needing changing. Is that suit actually Clark Kent and so Superman needs to wear it otherwise he can't report or are you trying to make some point when I and another poster was just saying it was silly he had the exact same suit on. He had the same exact suit because it's his standard animation model and it makes him easily recognizable to viewers. I'm honestly shocked they didn't put Bruce Wayne in his black suit from the end of BTAS.
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Apr 25, 2013 07:11
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Rhyno posted:He had the same exact suit because it's his standard animation model and it makes him easily recognizable to viewers. I'm honestly shocked they didn't put Bruce Wayne in his black suit from the end of BTAS. Oh come on, The New Batman Adventures isn't really part of BTAS. It's the lackluster sequel to it.
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Apr 25, 2013 07:16
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It gave us a lot of good stuff though. DCAU Nightwing, that episode with Batgirl falling onto the Commissioner's car, the bitching Scarecrow redesign (with Jeffry Combs voice  ), and that episode where Superman had to pretend to be Batman.
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Apr 25, 2013 07:18
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mind the walrus posted:It gave us a lot of good stuff though. DCAU Nightwing, that episode with Batgirl falling onto the Commissioner's car, the bitching Scarecrow redesign (with Jeffry Combs voice Sorry, The Undertaker isn't a good design for Scarecrow. I'm not calling The New Adventures a lovely show or anything, but it was pretty different in a lot of important ways, and also was a lot less ambitious than the original series.
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Apr 25, 2013 07:20
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No disagreements there, just saying that calling it bad (or casting the original B:TAS in a rose-colored light) is disingenuous.
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Apr 25, 2013 07:22
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Nilbop posted:Someone set me right on this: the final season of JLU was really meant to be two seasons, right? Destroyer is a great episode but it really, really needed to be at least a two parter. No, the series was originally intended to end with Epilogue, and then CN ordered another 13 and hosed it all up. Not that I don't appreciate the love letter they wrote to the Superfriends with the last season, but it ruins the symmetry of the DCAU Epilogue was creating.
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Apr 25, 2013 08:00
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Lurdiak posted:Sorry, The Undertaker isn't a good design for Scarecrow. I'm not calling The New Adventures a lovely show or anything, but it was pretty different in a lot of important ways, and also was a lot less ambitious than the original series. I stopped watching B:TAS a little under half way through and have yet to finish it so I've never seen New Adventures, what makes the two of them so different?
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Apr 25, 2013 08:11
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omg chael crash posted:I stopped watching B:TAS a little under half way through and have yet to finish it so I've never seen New Adventures, what makes the two of them so different? Well, for one thing, every single character design is different. For another, whereas B:TAS made a very conscious effort to minimize the goofy kid sidekick aspect of Robin, New Adventures has a Robin that's all of 10. Where B:TAS was mostly about Bruce, Robin, Nightwing and Batgirl take up a ton of space in New Adventures. It's also far less cinematic and character-driven, and has more crossovers with other DC characters. So yeah even though it's a continuation of the original series it's pretty loving different. Hence why I call it a lackluster sequel. Like Highlander 2.
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Apr 25, 2013 08:29
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Lurdiak posted:Sorry, The Undertaker isn't a good design for Scarecrow. He was too bulky but he actually looked scary instead of like a loving jack-o-lantern
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Apr 25, 2013 08:29
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Lurdiak posted:Like Highlander 2. WHOA. Let's not say things we can't take back. Except for the ep where Batman fights giant mutated farm animals, that was pretty much Highlander 2 territory.
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Apr 25, 2013 12:20
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Lurdiak posted:Well, for one thing, every single character design is different. For another, whereas B:TAS made a very conscious effort to minimize the goofy kid sidekick aspect of Robin, New Adventures has a Robin that's all of 10. Where B:TAS was mostly about Bruce, Robin, Nightwing and Batgirl take up a ton of space in New Adventures. It's also far less cinematic and character-driven, and has more crossovers with other DC characters. I am pretty sure they were forced to include Robin. Also that series is forgiven for "Legends of the Dark Knight, Joker's Millions, Growing Pains, Mad Love and Over the Edge
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Apr 25, 2013 13:51
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Lurdiak posted:Sorry, The Undertaker isn't a good design for Scarecrow. except for all of Over the Edge because drat!
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Apr 25, 2013 16:22
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McSpanky posted:WHOA. Let's not say things we can't take back.
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Apr 25, 2013 17:51
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I'm pretty sure Bruce Timm just loves everything about 60s Batman, which is good because it is amazing.
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Apr 25, 2013 18:12
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That Riddler redesign was the worst. The worst!!! ...except maybe for the Catwoman one, jesus.
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Apr 25, 2013 19:11
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Judgement posted:That Riddler redesign was the worst. The worst!!! All of the redesigns were pretty terrible. I hated the Bruce one because they got rid of his little hair flip which really just said so much about the character.
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Apr 25, 2013 20:07
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I have no idea how somebody can say a series with episodes like Over the Edge, Mad Love, and Growing Pains is less cinematic or character driven I'm not a fan of most of the villain redesigns except Scarecrow, who is way better than his 3 or 4 other terrible designs and they definitely did ruin Mr. Freeze's story arc by making him into basically a lame thug from the Adam West show (which was partially redeemed by Batman Beyond). I also think losing the Bruce Wayne voice was a mistake. But honestly the storytelling was on point and had about as good a hit/miss ratio as the original series and it had a lot more consistently great animation. Robotnik DDS fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Apr 25, 2013 |
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Apr 25, 2013 20:30
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Commissioner Gordon looks like he is in the final stages of cancer in the New Adventures. I can't completely fault New Adventures though because it was my first introduction to Etrigan.
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Apr 25, 2013 20:42
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Don't forget that it also introduced DCAU viewers to Jonah Motherfucking Hex.
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Apr 25, 2013 20:44
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Jonah Hex showed up in the original BtAS, though. He fought Ra's al Ghul's son on an airship!
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Apr 25, 2013 20:52
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Judgement posted:Jonah Hex showed up in the original BtAS, though. He fought Ra's al Ghul's son on an airship! Oh, thought that was a New Adventures episode. Whoops!
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Apr 25, 2013 20:58
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Judgement posted:Jonah Hex showed up in the original BtAS, though. He fought Ra's al Ghul's son on an airship! Havoc904 posted:Commissioner Gordon looks like he is in the final stages of cancer in the New Adventures. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f82CEtjgE_0
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Apr 25, 2013 22:08
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Judgement posted:That Riddler redesign was the worst. The worst!!! At least it wasn't RastaJoker.
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Apr 25, 2013 22:23
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Judgement posted:That Riddler redesign was the worst. The worst!!! Yeah, the Catwoman one is the one I loathe most. The original was simple, elegant and deliberately played into the antihero version of Selina, with it basically being a feminine version of the batsuit (her utility belt is all curves instead of Bruce's all-right-angle one, for instance). The New Adventures design looks like a goth girl got into a community theatre group's Cats costumes.
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Apr 25, 2013 22:30
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muscles like this? posted:All of the redesigns were pretty terrible. I hated the Bruce one because they got rid of his little hair flip which really just said so much about the character. I liked Penguin's redesign, although that's mostly just because I hated B:TAS's Burtonesque long-haired Cobblepot. And while I did like Bruce's hair flip, at least that loving mustard suit died with it. Spaceman Bill posted:He was too bulky but he actually looked scary instead of like a loving jack-o-lantern "Too bulky" is pretty much not a valid complaint in the DCAU, where males come in two sizes, normal and "brick shithouse". TwoPair fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Apr 25, 2013 |
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jscolon2.0 posted:At least it wasn't RastaJoker. RastaJoker kind of worked for the angle and the style that particular series was going for, and wasn't meant to actually be the same Joker. The neon green onesie Riddler, on the other hand... On top of not fitting the character that had been established for him at all, it shared the Catwoman design problem where they were just one flat color with no visual appeal. Selena also ended up getting the new DCAU female redesign where she basically became a stick figure with boobs, so I change the "maybe" from my previous post to "definitely" the worst. And mustard suit owned, gently caress the haters.
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