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chumbler posted:But then I also unironically like the Wing dub voices (well, apart from a couple), so take my opinions on voices as you will. General Septem is the greatest dubbed voice of all time, and this is a fact, not an opinion.
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My 'favorite' thing about the SEED dub was when they killed off a character and then had his voice actor play one of the new villains introduced 3 episodes later. His voice actor also only has one voice so it sounded like Tolle was recovered and turned into a crazy sociopath with green hair wielding a scythe. Made the plot a lot more interesting.
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Darth Walrus posted:Eh, dude's a Coordinator. That was our token 'early scene to show how superhuman Coordinators are' bit. Kind of wish they'd emphasised that a bit more in the series, actually - made Coordinators a bit more alien, shown how different they are from baseline humanity. As is, the genetic augmentations at the heart of the series's conflict either don't feel like a big deal or don't feel like they're actually there. That always kind of bugged me about the CE universe. Although having a bunch of ubermenschen steamroll the hapless Naturals would have probably been kind of boring, I wonder if they could have shown some kind of social differences to make them stand out. As it was, the only difference there was that Coordinator colonies looked like hourglasses and Natural colonies looked like the ones that get dropped all over the place in other universes. I guess they did come up with mobile suits first, and that was supposed to demonstrate their superiority, but the Naturals caught up pretty quickly. In the UC, Zeon and EF could get away with looking the same because the differences were ideological rather than physical.
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ImpAtom posted:My 'favorite' thing about the SEED dub was when they killed off a character and then had his voice actor play one of the new villains introduced 3 episodes later. His voice actor also only has one voice so it sounded like Tolle was recovered and turned into a crazy sociopath with green hair wielding a scythe. Made the plot a lot more interesting. I really think that seed dub is pretty crappy, but man, the guy who did Rau le crueset completely nailed the role and was a joy to listen to.
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Paper Lion posted:but every time he cries in english you get to comfort yourself knowing that his VA was literally kicked in the nuts by the voice director. Wait, what? Really? Because that's loving awesome.
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Apr 23, 2013 02:17
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Matt Hill's family has some strong vocal genes because I worked with his nephew and he sounded exactly like his uncle.
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Monaghan posted:I really think that seed dub is pretty crappy, but man, the guy who did Rau le crueset completely nailed the role and was a joy to listen to. It's so good it almost makes you wonder where the hell it came from, because a lot of the rest of the dub is more or less passable. Aside from Matt Hill's willingness to endure endless nut-jabs. Whoever they hired as Lacus' English singing voice isn't bad, though, I'll give them that. I wish I could find Fields of Hope in English somewhere, but not-Bandai or whoever keeps getting it pulled from YouTube. e: it's not Pilot Candidate bad, though. That's forever one of the gold standards for terrible dubbing.
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:It's so good it almost makes you wonder where the hell it came from, because a lot of the rest of the dub is more or less passable. Aside from Matt Hill's willingness to endure endless nut-jabs. Whoever they hired as Lacus' English singing voice isn't bad, though, I'll give them that. I wish I could find Fields of Hope in English somewhere, but not-Bandai or whoever keeps getting it pulled from YouTube. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jillian_Michaels_%28actress%29 Her voice is good but the English lyrics for most of Lacus's songs kill me.
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chumbler posted:I liked Mu's, Waldfeld's, and the captain's English voices I'm in the same boat. The funny/weird/cool thing is that Brian Drummond and Lisa Ann Beley are two of the performances I hated most in Wing's dub (as Zechs and Relena), but are some of my favorite in SEED.
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. But then I also unironically like the Wing dub voices (well, apart from a couple), so take my opinions on voices as you will.
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Monaghan posted:I really think that seed dub is pretty crappy, but man, the guy who did Rau le crueset completely nailed the role and was a joy to listen to. You know, say anything bad you want about Seed (And I know you will), but Rau La Crueset was a genuinely entertaining villian. No especially grand philosophy, no real stake at all in the actual war between two nations other than just wanting everything to die. There is something refreshing about that level of nihilism from a villain.
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Hold up, isn't Matt Hill the dude who voiced Ed in Ed, Edd n' Eddy oh my god he is.
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Kuroyama posted:I'm in the same boat. The funny/weird/cool thing is that Brian Drummond and Lisa Ann Beley are two of the performances I hated most in Wing's dub (as Zechs and Relena), but are some of my favorite in SEED. Well I'll be damned. I hadn't realized it until your post, but now I can definitely hear the similarities in Relena's and Murrue's voices. Waldfeld and Zechs are pretty different, though.
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Monaghan posted:I really think that seed dub is pretty crappy, but man, the guy who did Rau le crueset completely nailed the role and was a joy to listen to.
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Midjack posted:That always kind of bugged me about the CE universe. Although having a bunch of ubermenschen steamroll the hapless Naturals would have probably been kind of boring, I wonder if they could have shown some kind of social differences to make them stand out. As it was, the only difference there was that Coordinator colonies looked like hourglasses and Natural colonies looked like the ones that get dropped all over the place in other universes. I guess they did come up with mobile suits first, and that was supposed to demonstrate their superiority, but the Naturals caught up pretty quickly. To be honest, though, they had all the factors in place to get around the curbstomp issue too if they'd gone in that direction - the Coordinators had technology and inhuman physical and mental perfection on their side, whilst the Naturals had numbers and resources. You know, like if every Coordinator was worth ten Naturals, but if the Naturals had a hundred for every Coordinator.
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So I was thinking of checking out Gundam Unicorn since the reception to it (in this thread at least) seemed pretty positive, should I watch any other series before it or is it totally fine as a standalone thing?
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BattleCake posted:So I was thinking of checking out Gundam Unicorn since the reception to it (in this thread at least) seemed pretty positive, should I watch any other series before it or is it totally fine as a standalone thing? It kind of assumes you've seen UC Gundam shows (seeing as there's recurring characters, etc). It also loves to reference the heck out of ZZ Gundam. It's probably fine on its own but, as usual the recommendation would be to watch the MSG movies, Zeta Gundam TV (and ZZ if you feel like it) and Char's Counterattack beforehand.
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It really, really helps to understand Newtypes as they relate to Tomino's social thesis-thing to really get the most out of the movies, IMO.
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BattleCake posted:So I was thinking of checking out Gundam Unicorn since the reception to it (in this thread at least) seemed pretty positive, should I watch any other series before it or is it totally fine as a standalone thing? It probably wouldn't work on it's own, it references past things all the time. It's heavily working off the UC setting that's been established in past shows. If you've seen the original movie trilogy, Zeta, and/or Char's Counterattack it would help. edit: It really seems to be aimed at the fans.
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BattleCake posted:So I was thinking of checking out Gundam Unicorn since the reception to it (in this thread at least) seemed pretty positive, should I watch any other series before it or is it totally fine as a standalone thing? It really isn't standalone. You'd need to see a bare minimum of Char's Counterattack and probably should see Original Gundam and at least parts of Zeta and ZZ.
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On the other hand, if you just want to see some well-animated fights you're good to go. Unicorn's plot isn't exactly grade A material, so I wouldn't consider it that important to understand all of the things it's referencing. And if you watch it and come away with the thought "what the hell is going on?", well you know what to watch/read up on.
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BlitzBlast posted:On the other hand, if you just want to see some well-animated fights you're good to go. Unicorn's plot isn't exactly grade A material, so I wouldn't consider it that important to understand all of the things it's referencing. If you just want the fights, there's Youtube. There are only a handful of fights anyway and a lot more plot/talking.
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Whizbang posted:General Septem is the greatest dubbed voice of all time, and this is a fact, not an opinion. "WE'VEBEEN UNDER ATTACK BY MOBILESUITSFROM GUNDANIUM ALLOY MADEIN OUTER SPAAAAACE." Septem is extra double great because he's ultimately used to establish the fact that Colonel Une is actually a Terminator. Gundam Wing is the best worst Gundam show.
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His death is, to this day, the greatest death in all of Gundam, if not all of anime.
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Dr Pepper posted:if not all of anime. Someone hasn't seen Frankenstein: The Anime.
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Dr Pepper posted:His death is, to this day, the greatest death in all of Gundam, if not all of anime. Was he the one who Une dropped out of a plane and then shot as he was falling?
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kirbysuperstar posted:Was he the one who Une dropped out of a plane and then shot as he was falling? Not only that, it was a perfect headshot. Wing's badness swings really hard between dumb fun and boring as hell.
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Suddenly I want to watch Wing again, what the hell is wrong with me.
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Sakurazuka posted:Suddenly I want to watch Wing again, what the hell is wrong with me. That's what I'm doing. I've made my way through all UC programs, aside from Unicorn and G-Saviour, and G. This is probably the 4th time I've watched Wing but the first in probably 6 years. I am kind of astounded by how much half-baked political jabbering there is, and how my childhood brain could withstand so much of it.
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kirbysuperstar posted:Was he the one who Une dropped out of a plane and then shot as he was falling? Man, if Band was confused about the whole 'shoot a guy before throwing him out of a plane' thing in the dark knight this will really mess with him.
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Sakurazuka posted:Suddenly I want to watch Wing again, what the hell is wrong with me. Oh, Wing isn't actually too bad. I went into it fully expecting to be disappointed and strangely.. wasn't? Endless Waltz (until the very last scene that basically amounts to "AND THEN THERE WAS NO MORE WAR EVER AGAIN" anyways) makes Relena's character a lot more palatable, I think, and her character was my biggest fear rewatching it. And even though it doesn't say much I like it more than every other alternate universe not named G/Turn A.
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Wing is all right despite its inadequacies at presenting a coherent plot and compelling characters. I really like the technology and costume design with the late nineteenth-century aesthetic of the military uniforms and such mixed with the more contemporary sets and 80's-ish space colonies and stuff. It's got some great/awesomely silly Gundam designs (a dragon Gundam, a grim reaper Gundam, a way too many guns Gundam, etc) and grunt suits and a pretty rad soundtrack by Koh Otani. It's definitely way more enjoyable with the hilarious English dub, though, especially when you have friends to watch it with.
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I watched the first couple of episodes of Wing a couple years ago. It was alright. Though without Wing we may not have gotten other Gundam series.
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Well Manicured Man posted:Wing is all right despite its inadequacies at presenting a coherent plot and compelling characters. I really like the technology and costume design with the late nineteenth-century aesthetic of the military uniforms and such mixed with the more contemporary sets and 80's-ish space colonies and stuff. It's got some great/awesomely silly Gundam designs (a dragon Gundam, a grim reaper Gundam, a way too many guns Gundam, etc) and grunt suits and a pretty rad soundtrack by Koh Otani. It's definitely way more enjoyable with the hilarious English dub, though, especially when you have friends to watch it with. The Wing dub is almost a yearly thing for me and a couple buddies. We don't always get through the whole show, but it's always watched dubbed. The first episode alone really ought to clue people in to just how deep into Crazytown the ENTIRE CAST really is. Seriously, not even minutes into the mission, and Heero is already trying to kill himself, his Gundam, or both at the same time, and he considers this turn of events to be worthy of elation. The VA's deadpan delivery of everything is unintentionally perfect. If there ever was a Wing Abridged, they should probably add a HEERO YUI FAILED SUICIDE count.
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fivegears4reverse posted:The Wing dub is almost a yearly thing for me and a couple buddies. We don't always get through the whole show, but it's always watched dubbed. The first episode alone really ought to clue people in to just how deep into Crazytown the ENTIRE CAST really is. Seriously, not even minutes into the mission, and Heero is already trying to kill himself, his Gundam, or both at the same time, and he considers this turn of events to be worthy of elation. The VA's deadpan delivery of everything is unintentionally perfect. ITS A GUNDAAAAAAM count 
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Nalmontes posted:Though without Wing we may not have gotten other Gundam series. I seriously doubt it. Wing was just another Gundam series in Japan, not particularly influential in any way. To a lot of english viewers it was the Gundam and one of the defining cartoons of their childhood which no other Gundam could compare to. To Japan it was
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Yea, if any show can make that claim unfortunately it's SEED. X and Turn-A did pretty badly in terms of ratings, model sales and dvd sales from what I gather and SEED revitalized interest in Gundam with a new generation of watchers, even if many of them didn't like the rest of the franchise and didn't buy huge amount of models/toys. It still gave the franchise a kick-start and new fans.
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ActionZero posted:I seriously doubt it. Wing was just another Gundam series in Japan, not particularly influential in any way. To a lot of english viewers it was the Gundam and one of the defining cartoons of their childhood which no other Gundam could compare to. To Japan it was The exception there is that Wing Zero Custom is consistently one of the most popular mobile suits, and the only one to frequently outdo Char's poo poo and the RX-78-2.
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ImpAtom posted:The exception there is that Wing Zero Custom is consistently one of the most popular mobile suits, and the only one to frequently outdo Char's poo poo and the RX-78-2. Out of curiosity, where does Tallgeese, objectively the best mobile suit ever created, rank? Angel wings? Pfft. Try gigantic rocket engines so powerful that trying to pilot the mobile suit they're strapped to will kill you.
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chumbler posted:Out of curiosity, where does Tallgeese, objectively the best mobile suit ever created, rank? Angel wings? Pfft. Try gigantic rocket engines so powerful that trying to pilot the mobile suit they're strapped to will kill you. Tallgeese is pretty bitchin' for no other reason than it's the reason the Leo exists, which is the greatest grunt suit ever. Yeah I said it.
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