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...of SCIENCE! posted:You can now count Shadowrun Returns as yet another KS that had to renege on their original pitch. They promised to make their game DRM free but part of the stipulation of getting the license from Microsoft was that they had to include DRM on the final retail product...and they only just this month started telling people. As a result they're using Steam and, while they're offering a special DRM-free version to backers, the only way you can get the DLC that they promised is by using the Steam version. Also there's no loot system and it uses checkpoints instead of manual saves. I think the devs actually went way above and beyond what most people would actually hold them accountable for. Rather than just force all the backers onto Steam, they're releasing a second DRM free version exclusively for them. The kickstarter was only for the game + 1 dlc, and I doubt most backers would care that much about "drm" that they just wouldn't opt for the steam version or buy it again later when it goes on sale. Steam isn't even some weird third party service, it's pretty much taken over the standard cardboard box with installation discs model. Like yeah it sucks that future dlc is going to be a bit of an issue but that's sperglord level of complaints. Also, I see nothing wrong with not having a loot system or using checkpoints 
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Horrible Smutbeast posted:Also, I see nothing wrong with not having a loot system or using checkpoints I don't even think these two items were even mentioned in the Kickstarter.
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Apr 28, 2013 08:35
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Young Freud posted:What's interesting about those shoes is that, last month, it was reported on the news aggregate sites that there's some unofficial discrimination going on in the USPS involving the tape they use in packaging. Maybe the fashion police are confiscating them for being the stupidest piece of clothing anyone has ever made? That's my best guess.
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Apr 28, 2013 08:57
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I don't know why those atheist shoes offend me so much, I'm not even religious. It's just so drat smug.
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Another young game design entrepreneur? I'm always glad to see fresh creativ- quote:Tanner's dad is going to ASU Online to pursue his dream to be a game designer, and so his dream and goal right now is to do the same and make a game. This is Tanner's start! I'm going to project my dream onto my autistic son! 
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I hate to be that guy but how can we hate on everyone's vanity project and praise the Walken Dinosaur? I thought goons hated monkey cheese. From a practical standpoint did they even demonstrate an ability to pull it off besides their lol concept art?
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No, thank you for being that guy. I'm glad somebody is
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Alan Smithee posted:I hate to be that guy but how can we hate on everyone's vanity project and praise the Walken Dinosaur? I thought goons hated monkey cheese. From a practical standpoint did they even demonstrate an ability to pull it off besides their lol concept art? It's the dumbest, most pointless, least justifiable crowdfunding project I've ever seen. And it's beautiful. 
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ce gars posted:Tired of your greasy hands dropping your expensive phone? Here, stick this permanent elastic band on it. Except it's not permanent and they show you how to remove the mounting strip in the kickstarter.  Yeah it's kitchy and basically just 3m mounting strips with some elastic bands but it's not a terrible product. At worst it's just not noteworthy.
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Young Freud posted:I don't even think these two items were even mentioned in the Kickstarter. They weren't mentioned until they made an update saying "Sorry, we wanted to allow save anywhere and a loot system, but we don't have the time or budget to do that stuff as well as all the other cool things we wanted to do."
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ce gars posted:Tired of your greasy hands dropping your expensive phone? Here, stick this permanent elastic band on it. That just seems like something that is gonna look good(ish) on paper but in the real world having your phone attached to your hand with an elastic bad just seems impractical and uncomfortable. There's a reason compact cameras and wiimotes have a wrist strap rather than finger loops, it gives you the security of knowing you won't drop it with the ability to change your grip on it as needed. Seriously, make a wrist strap that attaches to the little loopy bit on older phones and has a sticky pad on the end for posh smartphones. Also, the guy with the GPS attached to his hand is hosed if he needs to look at the map while changing gear, using the parkin break or turning a corner.
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Tears In A Vial posted:I don't know why those atheist shoes offend me so much, I'm not even religious. It's just so drat smug. I know someone who bought them just because it was a kickstarter, and he says they're rather uncomfortable and have serious lack of grip, especially on wet surfaces.
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What is "Ich bin Atheist" even supposed to mean? Am i missing some clever joke by the use of German?
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Oasx posted:What is "Ich bin Atheist" even supposed to mean? Am i missing some clever joke by the use of German? Clearly the Hitlerite regime is affecting your mindular glands, the Atheist agenda is that some folk just wanna grab their own destinies without being beholden to an angry god, much like how Adolf Hitler enacted himself as a godhead-figure. Gotta read between the lines, broseph.
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Oasx posted:What is "Ich bin Atheist" even supposed to mean? Am i missing some clever joke by the use of German? I am an atheist. There is no pun or anything else clever. It's just that.
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It's almost certainly a Nietzsche thing. He was German and an atheist and these people are probably big fans of Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda, thus Ich Bin Athiest.
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Uhhh it says Ich Bin Atheist because it's created by a bunch of German dudes who live in Berlin.
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It's kind of killing me what a poor control group they used, especially for people who are pretty much building their entire personality around being all "Logic, bitch  ". Like somebody else pointed out, having decorations and labels on the outside of packages makes them way more likely to be intercepted regardless of what the decorations are or say. A better control would have been one with identical decorations only instead of ATHEIST they said something secular like SHOES.
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Young Freud posted:I don't even think these two items were even mentioned in the Kickstarter. I am fairly sure that I saw in the editor that you could cause enemies to drop whatever you wanted on death. I think they mean more in the main campaign and official stuff. Random dropped loot basically doesn't exist in the P&P game, this isn't much of a big deal.
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Install Gentoo posted:Uhhh it says Ich Bin Atheist because it's created by a bunch of German dudes who live in Berlin. I'm going to install my boot in your rear end, Gentoo.
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Fatkraken posted:Also, the guy with the GPS attached to his hand is hosed if he needs to look at the map while changing gear, using the parkin break or turning a corner. He could just move it to his left hand, then he only can't see for a quick second when using his turn-signal. Also, he could use his right hand (I am assuming that is his dominant hand, because statistics) to manipulate his phone if it is strapped onto his left.
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Alan Smithee posted:I hate to be that guy but how can we hate on everyone's vanity project and praise the Walken Dinosaur? I thought goons hated monkey cheese. From a practical standpoint did they even demonstrate an ability to pull it off besides their lol concept art? Oh, you love being that guy.
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Horrible Smutbeast posted:Also, I see nothing wrong with not having a loot system or using checkpoints Wait, are we not talking about that Shadowrun RPG? Because a role-playing-game with checkpoints and no loot seems like the most  thing ever.
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Onkel Hedwig posted:Wait, are we not talking about that Shadowrun RPG? Because a role-playing-game with checkpoints and no loot seems like the most No loot makes complete sense in the setting. Checkpoints just means it's a forced but limited ironman mode. Both are just design decisions and aren't particularly connected to its being an RPG. 
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What, you've never played RPGs that don't have random loot drops?
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I thought it said "no loot" - my bad.
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No worries, the wording was a little confusing. Here's a full explanation of it:quote:Q: Are you planning on making corpses lootable?
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I was browsing local Kickstarter projects to see if anything looked interesting enough to support, and came across a project for a Magic the Gathering podcast. I like the idea of helping local geeks, etc so I go to watch their video, and the guy is wearing a Pedobear Tshirt. CLASSY. Uh yeah, no thanks. Seriously look how creepy this guy looks.  hoo hoo hoo if it goes over $600 I can get my next batch of Madoka doujin huehhhhuuuuuhh 
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At least he hasn't gotten anything in 10 days, that's... good, I guess.
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Khisareth posted:I was browsing local Kickstarter projects to see if anything looked interesting enough to support, and came across a project for a Magic the Gathering podcast. I like the idea of helping local geeks, etc so I go to watch their video, and the guy is wearing a Pedobear Tshirt. CLASSY. Uh yeah, no thanks. Why the gently caress is he wearing a pedobear shirt? Is this some sort of acceptable thing nowadays to say "I like naked little girls!" ?!
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Horrible Smutbeast posted:Why the gently caress is he wearing a pedobear shirt? Is this some sort of acceptable thing nowadays to say "I like naked little girls!" ?! Despite the fact that someone out there thought "Let's design a Pedobear shirt" and someone else printed it, and he bought it, no it is not acceptable. As a side note, this area of Florida is a desert of culture, even bad culture. The average age here is retired folks and old tourists. The odds of him running into someone who would know who Pedobear is is really, really small -- except for the audience he is trying to get money from. Noisycat has a new favorite as of 23:17 on Apr 28, 2013 |
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Khisareth posted:Despite the fact that someone out there thought "Let's design a Pedobear shirt" and someone else printed it, and he bought it, no it is not acceptable. Completely forgot that P-bear was created as an innocuous Japanese mascot in a whole lineup of mascots a year or so before it was appropriated by 4chan, did you? I'm certain that the bear carries a different meaning in Japan than in America.
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Young Freud posted:Completely forgot that P-bear was created as an innocuous Japanese mascot in a whole lineup of mascots a year or so before it was appropriated by 4chan, did you? I'm certain that the bear carries a different meaning in Japan than in America. Let's evaluate the possibility that he ordered his shirt from a Japanese clothing company (and in three years of living in Japan I've never actually seen a wild pedobear) versus the possibility that he is a wretched nerd, loves 4chan, and ordered a t-shirt from other wretched nerds.
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Young Freud posted:Completely forgot that P-bear was created as an innocuous Japanese mascot in a whole lineup of mascots a year or so before it was appropriated by 4chan, did you? I'm certain that the bear carries a different meaning in Japan than in America. I fully admit I didn't research the original origin of a 4chan meme before passing judgement except he doesn't live in Japan. I really doubt he ordered a T shirt in a naive accident, to wear during his speech on putting together a Magic the Gathering podcast.
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senrath posted:No worries, the wording was a little confusing. Here's a full explanation of it: Isn't the point of kickstarter to get the money you need to make things? It always seems weird to me when they say "We would like to add this feature, but we just don't have the time/money".
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AxeManiac posted:Isn't the point of kickstarter to get the money you need to make things? It always seems weird to me when they say "We would like to add this feature, but we just don't have the time/money".
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Elysiume posted:It sounds like after the Kickstarter was done they looked at the list of features they wanted and decided that they hadn't gotten enough money to bankroll whatever systems. I'm making assumptions on the chronology as I haven't followed that project at all. The hairbrained schemes folks have been very disengenuous about the project's direction. I would not be surprised if they knew this (and the licensing issue) from day one, and just decided to omit it from the original kickstarter.
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Prop Wash posted:Let's evaluate the possibility that he ordered his shirt from a Japanese clothing company (and in three years of living in Japan I've never actually seen a wild pedobear) versus the possibility that he is a wretched nerd, loves 4chan, and ordered a t-shirt from other wretched nerds. Pedobear, IIRC, came from 2channel as ASCII art of "Kumar!" for troll bait back in 2000 (the joke being a bear caught while fishing by a fishing hook). By the time the 4Chan appropriated it for their own uses, it was 2005-2006, right when a company called Sukueya started putting out 2channel merchandise, including a zodiac of mascot characters that include Kumar/Pedobear. Khisareth posted:I fully admit I didn't research the original origin of a 4chan meme before passing judgement except he doesn't live in Japan. I really doubt he ordered a T shirt in a naive accident, to wear during his speech on putting together a Magic the Gathering podcast. I'm not saying he didn't. People buy poo poo from Japan all the time to fit their own secret meanings. Of course, I know there's an American company that licenses such meme flotsam. Verdugo posted:The hairbrained schemes folks have been very disengenuous about the project's direction. I would not be surprised if they knew this (and the licensing issue) from day one, and just decided to omit it from the original kickstarter. What the gently caress are you talking about? They've been very forthcoming about their work on the game.
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