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Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

Well at least I can just use the skip function. :(



Also one more thing. Are the bad ends required/worth doing? Or are they just standard vn bad ends without extra info.

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jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Ibram Gaunt posted:

Also one more thing. Are the bad ends required/worth doing? Or are they just standard vn bad ends without extra info.

They're not really required or anything but they're kind of hilarious in that Nitro+ sort of way for being totally loving gross/grimdark.

Good_Haro
Mar 14, 2009

Noted shitposter.

Ibram Gaunt posted:

Also one more thing. Are the bad ends required/worth doing? Or are they just standard vn bad ends without extra info.

They aren't required but they're extremely short and easy to branch into, so it's not a lot of extra work. They're mostly very violent and abrupt ends to things. If you can laugh at that sort of thing it's definitely worth it, otherwise they're pretty much all some variant on OOPS SUDDENLY AOBA GOT DECAPITATED. Definitely skip them if you don't like gore.

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

Let's put a simile on that face
A dazzling simile
Twinkling like the night sky
I was out sick for a week and decided to install FSN which i bought ages ago and never got around to playing. 3 days later, with 55 hours played, I finished all three routes. It's not the best literary piece I've ever read, but holy poo poo was it engrossing. Having watched both the anime adaptations beforehand should have ruined a lot of it, but it's been a while since I saw the first one, so it wasn't too bad.

So is Muv Luv what I should play next, or has something better come along?

planetarial
Oct 19, 2012

Cynic Jester posted:

I was out sick for a week and decided to install FSN which i bought ages ago and never got around to playing. 3 days later, with 55 hours played, I finished all three routes. It's not the best literary piece I've ever read, but holy poo poo was it engrossing. Having watched both the anime adaptations beforehand should have ruined a lot of it, but it's been a while since I saw the first one, so it wasn't too bad.

So is Muv Luv what I should play next, or has something better come along?

Either that or Steins;Gate, those are the two best VNs I've ever played. F/SN's fandisk is also half translated if you want to play part of it too.

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry
Whether you like it more or less than FSN or other VNs is completely up in the air, but I would certainly say that Muv-Luv is the other "pillar" of these threads that everyone probably owes themselves to play sooner or later. It's probably generated the most discussion, at least.

Snow Halation
Dec 29, 2008

Ibram Gaunt posted:

Let's talk about what VNs we're looking forward to, please. Just anything to not have this derail again.

After Grisaia comes out, these are the main projects I'm keeping me eye on.

Aiyoku no Eustia
Fantasy drama with class conflict plot elements. I'm also anticipating the other two August games being translated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJjkBXRMcxs

Hatsuyuki Sakura
Winter-themed supernatural nakige. This is the one I'm most excited about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM2m9i-U6tg

Irotoridori no Sekai
Fantasy romance from the same creators as Hoshizora no Memoria.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iH3O2YWdnA

Mashiro Iro Symphony
Winter-themed romantic fluff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8A-wMHPpIA

Natsuyume Nagisa
Summer-themed mystery nakige (from the same creators as Hatsuyuki Sakura.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_aAyak7TdE

Blhue
Apr 22, 2008

Fallen Rib

MagicalDuck posted:

Irotoridori no Sekai
Fantasy romance from the same creators as Hoshizora no Memoria.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iH3O2YWdnA

Definitely looking forward to this one. HoshiMemo was pretty good, and I've always been surprised by how little mention its gotten in these threads. Pity its fandisc's translation project is probably dead.

Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

Slowly reading though Clear's route in DMM and while the story is definitely sort of unintentionally silly overall I'm enjoying myself. Definitely something I can just turn my brain off and absorb the pretty imagery and dumb B movie plot. And as I mentioned before the production values are just so great and I am a total sucker for a nice presentation. It makes me wish more mainstream VNs put that much effort into this kind of thing.


Also semi-:nws: Oh Clear never stop being so amusing. :allears:

Ibram Gaunt fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Apr 29, 2013

Artificer
Apr 8, 2010

You're going to try ponies and you're. Going. To. LOVE. ME!!
Edit: Hurf durf. I should've googled it first.

Artificer fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Apr 29, 2013

Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

From the OP:


Nakige - Crying game. These games follow a pattern of light-hearted first halves and tragic second halves, designed in the shrewdest way possible to get the player to become attached to and then cry over the characters. This describes almost all of Key's output except for Rewrite.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Artificer posted:

What is nakige?

Crying games. Most of them follow the pattern of comedic first halves to get you attached to the characters, followed by tragic second halves (anime diseases, family problems, etc). For examples, pretty much anything Key's put out other than Rewrite would fit this model.

Orange DeviI
Nov 9, 2011

by Hand Knit

Artificer posted:

What is nakige?

Games that make you cry like Clannad.

Ibram Gaunt posted:

A VN that has a "plot" as an excuse for porn.

Possible but not what it refers to.

Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

killstealing posted:

Games that make you cry like Clannad.


Possible but not what it refers to.

Yeah I misread what he said but it appears I edited it to slowly. Thought he said Nukige. :doh:

Paracelsus
Apr 6, 2009

bless this post ~kya

Artificer posted:

What is nakige?
I believe it means something like "crying game," of the Clannad variety, not the one about the Troubles variety.

"Nukige" is the porn-focused type.

e:f;b while making sure I had my reference right.

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


I ask vndb about these terms and it says it's any story arc that's gonna make you cry and cry, and then at the end they overcome the sadness, and they are happy, and then you cry some more because they did it. They did the thing.

It says the highest rated nakige in their system is... well you personally got probated for crying over it earlier in the thread, for example. I don't mean to be cute but I don't know if naming it after describing the basic arc is a spoiler, and if I just spoil the title how does that help anyone? The point is they really twist the knife and try to make you cry.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Finished UBW finally. Ending had some nice moments. I really wanted shinji to explode into a turned inside out pile of organs but w/e.

Enjoying the beginning of HF. I think I've realized something; in Muv Luv the down time can be really boring (or annoying, at times), and the OH gently caress events are the most compelling. On the opposite side, I vastly prefer the down time / talky segments of FSN, and dread the fights because they are so wordy and long winded. Cool stuff happens but it takes a long time for the climatic moments to happen and it's a drag.

Orange DeviI
Nov 9, 2011

by Hand Knit

Ibram Gaunt posted:

Yeah I misread what he said but it appears I edited it to slowly. Thought he said Nukige. :doh:

I made this mistake once, you know. It was kinda painful

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

I thought a crying game was called "Utsuge."

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Rodyle posted:

I thought a crying game was called "Utsuge."

I thought utsuge were sad from being to end, while nakige have comedic first halves and tragic second halves.

planetarial
Oct 19, 2012

Ibram Gaunt posted:

Slowly reading though Clear's route in DMM and while the story is definitely sort of unintentionally silly overall I'm enjoying myself. Definitely something I can just turn my brain off and absorb the pretty imagery and dumb B movie plot. And as I mentioned before the production values are just so great and I am a total sucker for a nice presentation. It makes me wish more mainstream VNs put that much effort into this kind of thing.


Also semi-:nws: Oh Clear never stop being so amusing. :allears:

Oh that is just precious. Clear is like a cute dumb puppy you can't hate.

I'm also working my way through DMMD and cleared Kojaku and Noiz's routes. Kojaku is kinda creepy and his first hscene with attempted rape doesn't help at all. It's pretty nonsensical, even more so than the game already is. Noiz however had a pretty decent route and he mellows the gently caress out. His last scene was just adorable. I wish they would focus more on the actual plot though, it gets shoved off the side once the common route ends. And I have to agree with production values are really good but they could have put a bit more CGs in there.

Snow Halation
Dec 29, 2008

Silver2195 posted:

I thought utsuge were sad from being to end, while nakige have comedic first halves and tragic second halves.

Nakige have happy or bittersweet endings. Utsuge endings make you want to slit your wrists. There are some games that include both types of endings, so they're hard to classify.

Omniphile
Apr 5, 2010

Love? Justice? Pah! I'll crush them all!
While we're on the subject of VNs with manlovin', here's a short game from the Pulse Pounding Heart Stopping Jam a while back called Night At The Hospital. It even comes with a German translation, if you're into that sort of thing.

Omniphile fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Apr 29, 2013

Chickenfrogman
Sep 16, 2011

by exmarx
So I finished the Kotori and Chihaya routes of Rewrite. A few thoughts.

Kotori's route was a decent enough intro. Kotori was interesting enough and Kotarou wasn't bad either, but I did get annoyed by the number of dropped stuff. Kotarou spent a bunch of time playing with learning to use his aurora, but never actually got to do anything with it. It just kind of felt like Kotarou and Kotori sat around doing nothing and accomplishing nothing until Shizuru decided it was time to kill the Key and finish the route. The ending was alright though, I liked Kotarou wanting to start from scratch. It wasn't bad, but it definitely felt like just an introduction as the two main characters accomplished next to nothing.

Chihaya's route...a lot more mixed feelings. Sakuya was interesting enough though most of the twists about him could be seen coming from a mile away. I couldn't stand Chihaya though. Her relationship with Kotarou was just boring as poo poo and she didn't feel like she had ANYTHING interesting about her compared to Kotori. She was as generic as humanly possible whereas Kotori had some neat parts to her characterization. Kotarou I wasn't a fan of either. His ideal was too simplistic and unexplored for me to really jump on board with how far he goes for it. It felt like Shirou with all the depth and complexity of the character sucked out.

The fights weren't nearly as good as I was hoping for either. Kivroy Rog was the only one that lasted for more then a couple seconds. Midou was just Kotarou running forward and bashing him up after getting barrier saved. Sakuya VS Berserk Kotarou had the potential to be a really drat interesting and cool battle, but it lasted all of two seconds with neither getting to really do anything. The finale just kind of felt like it didn't really deliver either. I was pretty disappointed since the setup for these fights was neat, but the execution was such a massive disappointment. Didn't like the route much. It set up some cool stuff and then botched the execution hard. Chihaya herself also was just terrible.


I am still looking forward to the other characters routes though as I found them much more interesting characters then Kotori and Chihaya.

Nyaa
Jan 7, 2010
Like, Nyaa.

:colbert:

MagicalDuck posted:

Nakige have happy or bittersweet endings. Utsuge endings make you want to slit your wrists.
Wow. People actually split the trope into two tags that spoil the ending type? Or was Utsuge just so horrible that people would rather be spoiled about how the ending end to avoid it?

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Nyaa posted:

Wow. People actually split the trope into two tags that spoil the ending type? Or was Utsuge just so horrible that people would rather be spoiled about how the ending end to avoid it?

Japanese people don't care about spoilers, at least to the extent that we've become obsessed with it in the internet age in the west.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
Final thoughts on Akane’s route in Rewrite. This will be a long post, and contain some F/SN spoilers.

You can tell that this was written by the same person as the Kotori route, but this one goes farther. There’s a similar attempt to portray combat, secret organizations, and arguably even romance in a relatively unglamorous way (notice, for example, the anticlimax of Shizuru just shooting the Key in Kotori’s route). I remarked earlier that Akane was an odd replacement for Sakura Matou, but perhaps that’s exactly the point; you could make a good argument that a story like HF is fundamentally dishonest because it tries to have it both ways with regard to things like Sakura’s level of responsibility for what the Shadow does, because Shirou and Sakura (and Saber) are fundamentally idealized characters, because it avoids showing what Shirou and Sakura are like as a twentysomething married couple and how Sakura copes with her guilt, and so forth. The Akane route deals with the implications of having a close relationship with an evil person, even if the evil person does repent eventually. This makes it uncomfortably depressing in a very different way from typical VN melodrama.

I initially thought that the main flaw in all this is that it require turning Kotarou into a fundamentally different person from who he is in the rest of the game. Perhaps this could be said of all the routes, though, including the common route. In the common route, Kotarou is a self-aware perverted goofball who has his heart in the right place but is far from being an exceptionally good person. In the Lucia route, he’s similar to his common route self, but strangely indifferent to the lives of Kotori and Yoshino. In the Chihaya route, he’s an idiotic idealist. In the Shizuru route, he’s a mature idealist. In the Kotori route, he’s arguably not really that different from who he is in the Akane route; he’s just dating a sane person and is physically weak enough that he isn’t tempted to solve his problems by killing people.

I should also note that Gaia’s motivations made more sense here (though they’re still clearly not arguments one should agree with). To some extent, their viewpoint is based on Divine Command ethics, and the radical environmentalist angle is just a particular expression of that. Notice that they never really express concern for nonhuman life forms other than the planet, as a singular being, which ought to be preserved and has the right to judge humanity simply because it is the planet. Guardian, despite apparently being run from the Vatican, never adopts that sort of attitude; Guardian’s ideals are essentially utilitarian. There’s a similar dichotomy in the Nasuverse: the Church, in practice, wants to protect humans (and doesn’t care how Gaia or Crimson Moon feels about that, no matter how transcendent they happen to be), while some magi place the metaphysical goal of reaching the Root above human lives.

All of that is just an excuse, though. Really, the holy woman and the disciples just want to destroy everything because they resent everything, themselves included. In the end, I guess that makes Akane similar to Midou, but Akane is a much more believable character, largely because she’s genuinely miserable, capable of sophistry, and not absurdly hammy. Takasago actually has basically the same personality as Midou, though; Suzaki makes bad hiring decisions, I guess. I liked that he wasn’t sort-of glorified the way Midou was, though; instead of having a tragic backstory, Takasago draws power from bitterness over his first world problems and doesn’t have the strength of will to accomplish anything except when he’s high. While Midou’s hamminess is sincere, Takasago’s is an attempt to hide his own banality.

So I guess what this all amounts to is that Tanaka is a better writer than Tonokawa. Fortunately, Tanaka also wrote Moon and Terra. Based on the Moon OP, it seems we’ll finally get a Shizuru vs. Krivoy Rog fight. :black101:


Edit: I should probably discuss some inconsistencies between Tanaka's routes and Tonokawa's and Ryukishi's routes. In previous posts I've mentioned that killing the Key deprives Kotarou of his powers in the Kotori, but in Chihaya's and Lucia's routes this doesn't happen. Now that I think about it, though, this is actually consistent with Akane's explanation of the psychological origin of powers. When he has enough of a drive to change himself, he becomes a true superhuman instead of a pseudo-familiar.

A more thematically important inconsistency: In the Chihaya route, Akane seems to be straightforwardly possessed by Sakura. In the Akane route, we have to accept that she's ultimately making decisions for herself, because if we see her as "possessed," then the "real" Akane was a severely autistic girl who was irretrievably lost years before the beginning of the story. I think Tonokawa just screwed up there.

Also, Sakuya and the Earth Dragon are both referred to as "the strongest familiar"; surely Midou would know about the Earth Dragon? Given the drawback of using the Earth Dragon, though, this might not qualify as an inconsistency. Then again, wouldn't a nihilist like Midou consider the Earth Dragon superior for precisely that reason?

Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Apr 29, 2013

Einander
Sep 14, 2008

"Yeh've forged a magnificent sword."

"This one's only practice. The real sword I intend to forge will be three times longer."

"Can there really be a sword as monstrous as that in this world?"

"Yes. I can see that sword... Somewhere out there..."

Silver2195 posted:

Edit: A more thematically important inconsistency: In the Chihaya route, Akane seems to be straightforwardly possessed by Sakura. In the Akane route, we have to accept that she's ultimately making decisions for herself, because if we see her as "possessed," then the "real" Akane was a severely autistic girl who was irretrievably lost years before the beginning of the story. I think Tonokawa just screwed up there.

Also, Sakuya and the Earth Dragon are both referred to as "the strongest familiar"; surely Midou would know about the Earth Dragon? Given the drawback of using the Earth Dragon, though, this might not qualify as an inconsistency. Then again, wouldn't a nihilist like Midou consider the Earth Dragon superior for precisely that reason?


I've been enjoying your Rewrite posts. A few thoughts on these two parts:

1) She isn't possessed in either one. "Memories" are also "personality" -- your history is who you are, and the Holy Woman has dozens of lives and memories pushed into her brain all at once. The Akane of Akane's route is simply strong-willed enough to keep the memories from overwhelming her, and as a result, she manages to remain her own person in a way Chihaya's route Akane does not.

It's because of those memories that she does what she does, but Kotarou makes his position on that pretty clear: Sure, it may not entirely be her fault. It also isn't Kotarou's fault that he loves Akane, or that he expressed his love by believing in her, or that she wasn't worthy of that trust. It doesn't matter whose fault it is. All that matters is that they take responsibility for the consequences.

edit: Or, rather, I should say that's what Akane's Kotarou believes. I think Chihaya's Kotarou really would accept that his Akane was possessed; she didn't do any lasting harm, so it'd be kinder to throw her bone and give her a way to excuse what she tried to do.

2) Isn't the Earth Dragon only referred to as "the strongest familiar" in Akane's path? Chihaya never really had anything tying her to Gaia; if the dissolution of the Occult Club and Kotarou's slow descent into ruthlessness jaded her to Gaia enough that she left, then the Earth Dragon would then be the "strongest familiar" in Gaia. After Shizuru's path, I think it's pretty likely she just said "to hell with this" during one of the time skips and left.

Einander fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Apr 29, 2013

Snow Halation
Dec 29, 2008

Nyaa posted:

Wow. People actually split the trope into two tags that spoil the ending type? Or was Utsuge just so horrible that people would rather be spoiled about how the ending end to avoid it?

Utsuge aren't horrible, just horribly depressing. Games in the genre actually tend to be highly-rated. Muv-Luv Alternative being the obvious example.

Good_Haro
Mar 14, 2009

Noted shitposter.
Speaking of Dramatical Murder, I checked out the fandisk that came out last week today. I only played through a couple of the ending continuations so far and haven't really checked out the other extras yet, but it's pretty entertaining. I mean, it is a fandisk so it's mostly fanservice, emotional and otherwise (read: porn). Noiz's good end continuation was really sweet though he drags Aoba back to his[Aoba's] house to talk to Aoba's grandma about the whole eloping-and-running-away-to-Germany thing. Tae's cool with it, but she just wants to make sure Aoba's thought it through (which he hasn't, being Aoba and all). Aoba says a lot of hilariously stupid things, like about ten minutes into the conversation "You know... we're uh... both guys..." as if that wasn't obvious! And then tl;dr they end up having an early honeymoon in a fancy hotel before leaving for Germany. The highlight of that 'route' was definitely when Aoba's being insecure about things and Noiz reassures him by comparing their relationship to his love of pizza–– (paraphrasing) "You know how, back when we first met, I said all I ever really ate was delivery pizza? Well, it's not like I didn't know other foods existed or anything, I just really liked pizza, and once I decided on pizza I stuck with it. And even after I broadened my horizons and learned about other foods, I still love pizza." Anyway, it's mostly porn but, hey, consensual sexual activity between two adults who care about each other, that's pretty impressive for BL.

The bad end continuations are kind of extra ridiculous. Though they do kind of make me wish Aoba's 'evil' personality, Sly Blue had had more screen time. He'd have gotten more poo poo done, even if he isn't quite right in the head.

planetarial posted:

I wish they would focus more on the actual plot though, it gets shoved off the side once the common route ends.

Yeah, it's kind of unfortunate because they spend so much time on really boring and repetitive exposition about the 'plot' but the routes seem to be more focused on the romantic interest characters than what's ostensibly the story. Which isn't really a bad way to go about things necessarily, it just kind of makes the central plot kind of superfluous. Judging from the 'true' route, or whatever you want to call it, the writers didn't really seem to be terribly concerned with making sure the big central plot reveals made sense or fit together with what happened in the other routes. The plot feels a lot more like a pretense for ~cyberpunk boyfriends~ than anything in the end (though boy does it go to some crazy places for maximum unintended hilarity).

Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

Well just finished the Clear route and uh. That was something? While I didn't expect anything else I thought it was kinda funny how he makes a big deal about not wanting to show his face but oh look he's a bishonen with no appearance flaws. Shocking. I kind of expected at least a scar or something. But Jesus when people said the plot sort of vanishes in the routes I didn't expect it to drop that hard. "Oh Clear is a robot and Toue is controlling everyone PS the tower got destroyed goodbye" The fight scene was kinda cool but the intimate romance scene afterwards was just...Well it wasn't rapey at least but the fact that half his face was exposed made it seem like he had a lazy eye and made the scene alot more comedic than it clearly intended. It was also sort of horrifying when it talked about parts of him chipping off and stuff during :pwn:. Although I'm a big baby and still thought it was sad when he booted down but he got fixed so whatever. Ending was cute. Credits song was nice too. I sort of wish it was just more Clear being Clear and less melodramatics but eh whatever.


I gotta give the writers credit though at least for the Clear route that it didn't feel as insulting "this is what girls think dudes who like dudes are like" as most other BL stuff I've encountered. I'm still clearly not the intended audience but I found myself rolling my eyes a lot less than I expected. But I wouldn't be surprised if that changes.

Ibram Gaunt fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Apr 29, 2013

unpronounceable
Apr 4, 2010

You mean we still have another game to go through?!
Fallen Rib
I've finished my exams, so it's time for me to finish up UBW. I'm going to type my thoughts as I go in #LiveVN on irc.synirc.net. Here's a mibbit link.

I'll give people a while to join if you're interested. It's over.

unpronounceable fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Apr 30, 2013

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
Finished Moon in Rewrite. That was weird; I wasn't expecting that kind of Arthur C. Clarke stuff in a story like this. It worked surprisingly well, though; it managed to give the Key a sensible motivation (and also made it even more clear that Sakura's justifications for her own actions were bullshit). It wasn't much of a romance, but we already had plenty of that in the other routes. Kotarou's characterization makes more sense now; his behavior in the common route was essentially a mask (although that was made pretty clear earlier; I'm not sure why I ever considered that inconsistent) and he apparently had considerably lower probabilities of becoming the people he became in the Shizuru and Akane routes than in the others. It was nice to see everyone being :black101: on the same side (no actual Shizuru vs. Krivoy Rog fight, though). The comic relief scene where they mess around with the simulations was obviously the part written by Tonokawa, but I enjoyed it. Overall, a good route that didn't drag on too long.

unpronounceable
Apr 4, 2010

You mean we still have another game to go through?!
Fallen Rib
Well, I finished UBW. I want some time to organize my thoughts about it, but in the mean time, you can have the IRC chat log.

Stall_19
Jan 2, 2013

Prodigy of Victor von Doom

Silver2195 posted:

Finished Moon in Rewrite. That was weird; I wasn't expecting that kind of Arthur C. Clarke stuff in a story like this. It worked surprisingly well, though; it managed to give the Key a sensible motivation (and also made it even more clear that Sakura's justifications for her own actions were bullshit). It wasn't much of a romance, but we already had plenty of that in the other routes. Kotarou's characterization makes more sense now; his behavior in the common route was essentially a mask (although that was made pretty clear earlier; I'm not sure why I ever considered that inconsistent) and he apparently had considerably lower probabilities of becoming the people he became in the Shizuru and Akane routes than in the others. It was nice to see everyone being :black101: on the same side (no actual Shizuru vs. Krivoy Rog fight, though). The comic relief scene where they mess around with the simulations was obviously the part written by Tonokawa, but I enjoyed it. Overall, a good route that didn't drag on too long.

I thought Moon was the best part of Rewrite. Hated Terra though.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Silver2195 posted:

Finished Moon in Rewrite. That was weird; I wasn't expecting that kind of Arthur C. Clarke stuff in a story like this. It worked surprisingly well, though; it managed to give the Key a sensible motivation (and also made it even more clear that Sakura's justifications for her own actions were bullshit). It wasn't much of a romance, but we already had plenty of that in the other routes. Kotarou's characterization makes more sense now; his behavior in the common route was essentially a mask (although that was made pretty clear earlier; I'm not sure why I ever considered that inconsistent) and he apparently had considerably lower probabilities of becoming the people he became in the Shizuru and Akane routes than in the others. It was nice to see everyone being :black101: on the same side (no actual Shizuru vs. Krivoy Rog fight, though). The comic relief scene where they mess around with the simulations was obviously the part written by Tonokawa, but I enjoyed it. Overall, a good route that didn't drag on too long.

That was also Tanaka, I think. The parts written by Tonokawa were the fight scenes.

planetarial
Oct 19, 2012
Finished the Mink route in DMMD. Word of wise, if you plan to do it skip everything until a motorcycle shows up. His ending was also a lot sappier by the end but thank christ there's no more lovely rape scenes when the plot kicks in.

Now I only have Clear and then Ren to do.

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


I'm doing fate/stay night's ultimate bladeworks path right now and I can't stop giggling because they just said caster's master like thirty times in a row. It sounds very silly.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

After finally dragging my way through the end of UWB I've been playing heaven's Feel all night I'm really enjoying it so far. It seems like everything has been much faster paced and all of the battles have been extremely short and gruesome. I knew this route was the one to focus on Sakura and I've been wondering about her rear end since the beginning of Fate, so it feels like a payoff to me. I'm on day 8 and so far I've been very pleased, or at least entertained.

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Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

Let's put a simile on that face
A dazzling simile
Twinkling like the night sky
The local ~anime~ store didn't have Muv Luv or Alternative, but they did have Rewrite, so I guess I'm playing that next.

If I want to order Muv Luv/Alternative online, is there any particular version I should get? There's like so many variations.

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