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Nenonen: Oct 22, 2009; Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Interlude posted:

Eh that's not really honest is it? Neither capitalism nor socialism would result in everyone living in a large suburban McMansion, there just aren't enough resources. The only reason some can do it with capitalism is because it relies on others not being able to do so.

Nor do most socialists that I'm aware of intend that anyone regardless of their input can live in luxury. From everyone according to their capability (all people should be working but with room for disabilities, maternity leaves etc.), to everyone according to their capability (rather than inheritance/capital investments), but with guaranteed social security. In a socialist paradise some people would still be better off because they're working harder than others, but no one would be left rotting in the gutter.

I just find that original image perfect on its own. Surely the US housing bubble was not a crisis of capitalism.

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darthbob88: Oct 13, 2011; YOSPOS

Maybe post both images together?
"A socialist thinks nobody should have to live like

while a capitalist thinks everybody should have to live like <=this
just so some privileged few can live like

who doesn't make enough to live like <=this"
I'm getting artsy-like; read down the left side then down the right.

# ? Apr 29, 2013 17:17

Nostalgia4Infinity: Feb 27, 2007; 10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING

Mo_Steel posted:

I think this would be a more appropriate comparison really:

Somebody has to clean D-battery cells, might as well be this 3 year old in Bangladesh. I'm sure she is well compensated and will get to live in that nice house someday if she just works hard enough.

I'm pretty sure most people look at that and say better "them than me"

# ? Apr 29, 2013 17:18

JoshTheStampede: Sep 8, 2004; come at me bro

Capitalists drive like THIS, and Socialists drive like THIS. Also Anarchists be shoppin.

# ? Apr 29, 2013 17:21

pig slut lisa: Mar 5, 2012; irl is good

JoshTheStampede posted:

Capitalists drive like THIS, and Socialists drive like THIS. Also Anarchists be shoppin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1wvnwv93Pg

# ? Apr 29, 2013 17:22

VideoTapir: Oct 18, 2005; He'll tire eventually.

Call Me Charlie posted:

It should say "A capitalist see this, and says, "Everybody should live live that...except for me...because I'm better than that"

That's the kind of explicit rejection of subtlety that I'd expect from LL101

# ? Apr 29, 2013 17:33

GrabbinPeels: Jan 3, 2010; I only regret not giving up sooner.

Is anyone starting to get saturated with "Obama is so lazy, look at all these vacations!" posts recently? Most of it is stuff like this from Breitbart that I'd ignore but they posted this one straight to my wall and I'm not sure what to say about it. I've tried to point out that he's taken comparatively few vacations compared to his predecessor and that the economic situation isn't as pressing as it was when he took office but I'm not sure that's working. Normally they're pretty reasonable too. :sigh:

# ? Apr 29, 2013 18:17

Nostalgia4Infinity: Feb 27, 2007; 10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING

Just say it must bother them because they're racists. That's the only conclusion I draw if they dismiss Dubya's 1000 days of vaycay.

# ? Apr 29, 2013 18:25

PoizenJam: Dec 2, 2006; Damn!!!
It's PoizenJam!!!

Bush spent 3 years out of his 8 on loving vacation. It's nothing but dogwhistle 'lazy blacks' rhetoric. In fact, during Obama's first term, he took only 72 vacation days, meaning he's taken less vacation than just about every famous historical or contemporary president you can think of.

This link does a pretty good job of comparing vacation times taken by various presidents. Obama's used piss all.

# ? Apr 29, 2013 18:26

JoshTheStampede: Sep 8, 2004; come at me bro

My girlfriend posted something about MRAs and misogyny, no political context and nothing about Republicans or conservatives at all, just about MRAs.

Her father responded with "well if you want to talk about misogyny, Bill Maher is one of yours" or something like that.

Why do conservatives assume liberals like Bill Maher? He's a known rear end in a top hat, no one likes him.

# ? Apr 29, 2013 18:27

Name Change: Oct 9, 2005

GrabbinPeels posted:

Is anyone starting to get saturated with "Obama is so lazy, look at all these vacations!" posts recently? Most of it is stuff like this from Breitbart that I'd ignore but they posted this one straight to my wall and I'm not sure what to say about it. I've tried to point out that he's taken comparatively few vacations compared to his predecessor and that the economic situation isn't as pressing as it was when he took office but I'm not sure that's working. Normally they're pretty reasonable too.

The entire "Obama's vacations!" meme is totally inane conservative tribalism. Pretty much every two-term President in modern history has taken "vacation days" of one sort or another numbering into the several hundreds, and Obama is far behind most of them.

"Vacation days" is complete misdirection for the most part anyway, as the president is still making decisions and getting all sorts of stuff thrown on his table even when he's not at the White House.

quote:

It's nothing new. Franklin Roosevelt was judged for spending too much time aboard his Presidential yacht, the USS Potomac. Theodore Roosevelt was said to have left Washington, DC for months at a time, and our fourth President, James Madison, took a four month vacation back in 1816.

Here's how Mr. Obama stacks up against more recent Presidents, if he keeps pace with 168 vacation days over eight years. President George W. Bush took all or part of 297 days at his Texas ranch. Bill Clinton took 174 days at Martha's Vineyard and Jackson Hole, Wyoming, and Ronald Reagan vacationed 349 days at his California ranch over eight years.

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/20509217/how-president-obamas-vacation-time-stacks-up

quote:

In 1798, President John Adams left the capital for seven months to care for his ailing wife Abigail; his enemies said he practically relinquished his office.

� Thomas Jefferson and James Madison routinely went away for three- and four-month stretches.

� Abraham Lincoln, during the Civil War, was blasted for spending about 25 percent of his time away from the White House.

� Dwight Eisenhower took long summer breaks in Denver and spent almost every single weekend at Camp David.

� John F. Kennedy rarely spent a weekend in the White House, staying at family homes in Palm Beach, Hyannis Port, and the Virginia countryside.

� Lyndon Johnson spent 484 days in five and a half years at his Texas ranch.

� Ronald Reagan was away for 436 days, usually at Rancho del Cielo (his mountaintop retreat in California) or Camp David.

� Bill Clinton, who didn't own a vacation home, loved to party with his elite friends in Martha's Vineyard and the Hamptons.

� George W. Bush spent 32 months at his ranch (490 days) or Camp David (487 days) � an average of four months away every year.

http://theweek.com/bullpen/column/235844/deconstructing-the-5-most-ridiculous-myths-about-barack-obama

The silliness of this is generally revealed when no one really has an official count of who took what vacation days, and what constitutes a vacation day when you are President, to begin with.

The Obama vacation thing is one of the stupidest memes out there.

# ? Apr 29, 2013 18:29

Mo_Steel: Mar 7, 2008; Let's Clock Into The Sunset Together; Fun Shoe

VideoTapir posted:

That's the kind of explicit rejection of subtlety that I'd expect from LL101

I agree, I stuck with the original text partly as a mockery of the vast oversimplification of terms and systems being portrayed. Doubtless there are capitalists who would prefer that no one have to live in abject poverty as child-laborers in third world nations; I think it's a legitimate question to ask whether or not the two are mutually exclusive propositions, but that's a bit beyond the scope of mocking the utter simplicity of the image posted by replacing it with one showing an ill of capitalism instead of a boon.

# ? Apr 29, 2013 18:49

emptyspace: Oct 21, 2008

I kinda feel like a lot of these stupid, baseless complaints (Obama's vacation days, etc.) are just republicans taking what was said about Bush and throwing it back against Obama. So many of these things were started so early in Obama's first term that I can't think of a better explanation.

People criticized Bush for going on vacation, so we must criticize Obama for going on vacation, context and facts be damned.

# ? Apr 29, 2013 18:52

Soviet Commubot: Oct 22, 2008

emptyspace posted:

I kinda feel like a lot of these stupid, baseless complaints (Obama's vacation days, etc.) are just republicans taking what was said about Bush and throwing it back against Obama. So many of these things were started so early in Obama's first term that I can't think of a better explanation.

People criticized Bush for going on vacation, so we must criticize Obama for going on vacation, context and facts be damned.

Most of the people I know that are angry about Obama had their political "awakening" during the Obama presidency and they claim they'd have been just as mad at Bush if they had paid attention to politics. Odd that they didn't care about politics when Bush or Clinton (most of these people were adults during the second Clinton term) were in office, only when Obama got elected. I wonder what it is about him that drives them nuts...

# ? Apr 29, 2013 18:55

Nostalgia4Infinity: Feb 27, 2007; 10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING

He's black.

# ? Apr 29, 2013 18:59

Amused to Death: Aug 10, 2009; google "The Night Witches", and prepare for

JoshTheStampede posted:

Why do conservatives assume liberals like Bill Maher? He's a known rear end in a top hat, no one likes him.

This works if you ignore the fact a lot of people do like him.

# ? Apr 29, 2013 19:08

JoshTheStampede: Sep 8, 2004; come at me bro

Amused to Death posted:

This works if you ignore the fact a lot of people do like him.

That's not related to his political identity though. He's a pretty outspoken libertarian with socially liberal views, but he's been rightly criticized for sexism and privilege by people of all political stripes. Yet he's always held up by conservatives as a Liberal Champion or something, as if he's universally liked by people left of center, which is far from true.

# ? Apr 29, 2013 19:21

Name Change: Oct 9, 2005

JoshTheStampede posted:

That's not related to his political identity though. He's a pretty outspoken libertarian with socially liberal views, but he's been rightly criticized for sexism and privilege by people of all political stripes. Yet he's always held up by conservatives as a Liberal Champion or something, as if he's universally liked by people left of center, which is far from true.

Maher is actually hated for being an Islamophobe and an anti-vaccination guy, too.

# ? Apr 29, 2013 19:29

George H.W. Cunt: Oct 6, 2010

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

He's black.

"What? No no no it's not that I promise. I'm not racist. It's because he's the most liberalest liberal that's ever libbed and that's why."

# ? Apr 29, 2013 19:36

ProperGanderPusher: Jan 13, 2012

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

I'm pretty sure most people look at that and say better "them than me"

More like "Tut, tut! Why can't those dumb violent Africans stop having so many kids and killing one another? Maybe this microloan will help them pull themselves up by their bootstraps!"

# ? Apr 29, 2013 20:39

seiferguy: Jun 9, 2005; FLAWED
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:

Maher is actually hated for being an Islamophobe and an anti-vaccination guy, too.

He supports PETA strongly, and is also in favor of racial profiling at airports.

edit: there are some things he says that are actually smart and be need to be heard (i.e. healthcare should be all about preventive maintenance, not pill popping), but it's often drowned out by his other statements.

seiferguy fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Apr 29, 2013

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OAquinas: Jan 27, 2008; Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.

I've actually pointed out the days thing, only to get "well, Bush spent his on his ranch. Obummer is taking lavish and extravagant vacations WITH ARE MONEY!"

So, not just black, but black and has a higher standing of living than you.

# ? Apr 29, 2013 21:28

SalTheBard: Jan 26, 2005; I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!; Fallen Rib

When I pointed out that Bush took more vacations I was told "Just blame Bush for everything you goddamn liebral"

# ? Apr 29, 2013 21:54

ProperGanderPusher: Jan 13, 2012

OAquinas posted:

I've actually pointed out the days thing, only to get "well, Bush spent his on his ranch. Obummer is taking lavish and extravagant vacations WITH ARE MONEY!"

So, not just black, but black and has a higher standing of living than you.

Also, all of his money is actually our money, even if it's given to him in a form of a salary. Same with Moochelle, who no doubt embezzles from the government to fund all her ventures and totally doesn't make any money on her own.

# ? Apr 29, 2013 22:37

DarkHorse: Dec 13, 2006; Vroom vroom, BEEP BEEP!; Nap Ghost

OAquinas posted:

I've actually pointed out the days thing, only to get "well, Bush spent his on his ranch. Obummer is taking lavish and extravagant vacations WITH ARE MONEY!"

So, not just black, but black and has a higher standing of living than you.

Bush's vacations actually cost more, because when he started getting flak for vacationing so much they started taking trips with Air Force One and shipping everyone else out to wherever he was, just so it could be called a "working vacation." All those plane trips and extra security and comped expenses on the government dime, of course.

So, spending millions and millions more than necessary just to create the illusion that you're not doing what you're actually doing, sounds like something right out of the playbook.

# ? Apr 30, 2013 04:15

gaan kak: Jul 22, 2007; RAP APOLOGIST

Saw this nice little screed on FB.

quote:

So clearly Jason Collins coming out as the first gay active professional athlete is the biggest story of the day, a story that will have an echoing impact, and will be discussed decades from now. The NBA player has properly been called courageous. Just the fact that this has not happened yet demonstrates the type of pressure he must have felt. Collins, who now gets to live and love openly, exemplified a rare form of bravery, that of being a pioneer, a pioneer who can serve as a role model to countless souls in distress.

The rapidity with which this issue has changed is remarkable. However, it is so important to stress that for the vast majority of Americans it is intellectually dishonest and an act of cowardice to attack those who are not for gay equality as bigots.

A day that should be celebrated is partially marred by the recently converted launching attacks at those that hold differing views. Chris Broussard, a great ESPN analyst stated that as a Christian he opposes homosexuality. Tolerance cuts both ways and he should be entitled to express his views that are based on the deepest convictions we as humans have, faith, without the threat of loosing his place at the pinnacle of his profession. Sadly though there has now been fervent calls for his termination in many quarters.

Likewise, on twitter and on countless blogs, commenters who express opposing views have been blasted as morons, Cretans, and other similar epithets. If this is true though, it can only mean that the vast majority of Americans were very recently also such lowlife.

Like most Americans, I now support gay rights and did not in the past, and I'm not ashamed to admit this, nor do I need to hide behind words like evolved. What changed my views, rather what changed our views, was the tiny handful of initial supporters who tirelessly made their case through reason. It wasn't seeing the metaphorical light, or an epiphany, but sound arguments strengthened by a call to empathy.

Had these few called us names, had a year ago Obama been called a bigot for his stance, it is doubtful that there would have been this landscape shift. Now though, as a new majority takes hold, countless weak and hypocritical minds are poisoning the civic discourse, by childishly damning their newfound opposition as "others", as creatures somehow devoid of feeling.

Cowards will say that those opposing gay rights must be silenced, thoughts stamped out, so that bigotry dissipates, and that gay people can live more openly. Well sadly friends, besides this being outrageously egotistical and in large measure cruel, silencing views does not make them go away, it just makes them go into hiding were they can quietly brew into a much more fervent and condensed form: tabood and discussed only in secret. And if that's not bad enough, the once fluid and flourishing debate, will be crushed by a steel gate slamming down to trap citizens on various "sides". Whereas before arguments were made on reason, now they will be made by shamming and a purity test.

The absurdity of these politically correct bandwagon jumpers who feel the need to divide our country is that their approach has almost never worked, and the alternative approach has almost always worked. The gay marriage debate, and the astounding shift in views, exemplifies the success of open dialogue. And tragically, if these voice silencers prevail, as they so often do, the landscape on this issue a generation from now will likely epitomize the depressing alternative where gay marriage becomes yet another festering wound, that 2-Dimensional tv pundits chalk up to some culture war.

In this scenario, Gay Americans, so close to the finish line, so close to being treated as simply an American, will never reach their objective. And it will not be because of the supposed perpetual bigots, the boogymen, but rather because cowards jumped down from the stands and stole the baton, to create a world where others are not given the space to openly engage on an issue.

So on a truly a historic day, it is crucial to remind ourselves to keep open channels of conversation, and adhere to the wisdom of free speech that our founders so eloquently expressed, and so valiantly fought for.

First of all, who writes a status that long? Secondly... why is this whole "you're being intolerant of my intolerance :cry:

" somehow still an acceptable thing? Is it that privileged white males desperately need to feel persecuted? Not to mention, this whole baffling monologue barely even makes sense.

# ? Apr 30, 2013 04:27

HiroProtagonist: May 7, 2007

gaan kak posted:

Saw this nice little screed on FB.

First of all, who writes a status that long? Secondly... why is this whole "you're being intolerant of my intolerance " somehow still an acceptable thing? Is it that privileged white males desperately need to feel persecuted? Not to mention, this whole baffling monologue barely even makes sense.

Because internet echo chamber.

# ? Apr 30, 2013 06:18

myron cope: Apr 21, 2009

quote:

Tolerance cuts both ways and he should be entitled to express his views

Ok I stopped reading here. This is a common thing, right?

But if it "cuts both ways" then shouldn't that person also be tolerant of my not tolerating their intolerance? And then I would have to be tolerant of them not tolerating my not tolerating their intolerance... :confuoot:

# ? Apr 30, 2013 06:32

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gaan kak posted:

Saw this nice little screed on FB.

First of all, who writes a status that long? Secondly... why is this whole "you're being intolerant of my intolerance " somehow still an acceptable thing? Is it that privileged white males desperately need to feel persecuted? Not to mention, this whole baffling monologue barely even makes sense.

I think a good way to counter that poo poo is point out all the places where Republicans have fought against basic protections for gay people. Just recently the Violence Against Women Act being held up because gay people were included in it and the Republican Party's condemnation of Obama's condemnation of Uganda's proposed death penalty for gay people. Just about a decade ago, they were fighting to keep homosexuality itself illegal with Lawrence v Texas. Anyone have stuff to add?

# ? Apr 30, 2013 06:44

Leospeare: Jun 27, 2003; I lack the ability to think of a creative title.

quote:

Likewise, on twitter and on countless blogs, commenters who express opposing views have been blasted as morons, Cretans, and other similar epithets.

Hey hey, don't drag Crete and its people into this.

# ? Apr 30, 2013 09:26

1stGear: Jan 16, 2010; Here's to the new us.

So what's the over-under on some really awful anti-labor stuff being posted tomorrow? On one hand, most Americans probably don't know about May Day but the ones who do are probably going to be pretty opinionated.

# ? Apr 30, 2013 12:53

pug wearing a hat: May 29, 2012; please allow me to introduce myself i'm a man of wealth and taste

My high school drama teacher just posted one of those "IF U CAN AFFORD ANY LUXURIES AT ALL U SHOULDN'T GET WELFARE" images. A lot of the people I did theater with were on food stamps and other assistance programs, I wonder if she knows that

Seriously have any of the people bitching about drug testing for welfare and cutting welfare ever actually BEEN on welfare? You don't just show up and get endless free money on the first of the month.

# ? Apr 30, 2013 13:08

Gourd of Taste: Sep 11, 2006; by Ralp

pug wearing a hat posted:

My high school drama teacher just posted one of those "IF U CAN AFFORD ANY LUXURIES AT ALL U SHOULDN'T GET WELFARE" images. A lot of the people I did theater with were on food stamps and other assistance programs, I wonder if she knows that

You should tell her. I mean probably she'll either ignore you or briefly talk about how they were good kids but sometimes, rarely, that sort of thing will sink in.

# ? Apr 30, 2013 13:11

XyloJW: Jul 23, 2007

pug wearing a hat posted:

Seriously have any of the people bitching about drug testing for welfare and cutting welfare ever actually BEEN on welfare? You don't just show up and get endless free money on the first of the month.

Oooh yeah. They won't mention it because it undermines their point, but secretly they think "I played by the rules and welfare was barely enough to get by, and now I've picked myself up and I'm off welfare. I'm better than those others who I am positive are cheating welfare and living the high life on it for the rest of their lives with no job."

My cousin pulls this crap all the time, despite having been on several different kinds of welfare and doing plenty of recreational drugs. Her mother's influence as a racist shitheel is very strong.

# ? Apr 30, 2013 13:17

Phone: Jul 30, 2005; 親子丼をほしい。

Not necessarily an email or Facebook post, but similar in a lot of ways.

The owner of another forum I goto posted in their Boston Bombing thread a clip from InfoWars featuring guest Ron Paul.

# ? Apr 30, 2013 13:28

JoshTheStampede: Sep 8, 2004; come at me bro

ProperGanderPusher posted:

Also, all of his money is actually our money, even if it's given to him in a form of a salary. Same with Moochelle, who no doubt embezzles from the government to fund all her ventures and totally doesn't make any money on her own.

Does Michelle currently draw a salary from anywhere? Not that that justifies any racist poo poo people say about her, of course, but I'm curious if she is currently employed or whether all her work is like, volunteer FLOTUS outreach stuff.

# ? Apr 30, 2013 13:41

Nostalgia4Infinity: Feb 27, 2007; 10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING

gaan kak posted:

Saw this nice little screed on FB.

First of all, who writes a status that long? Secondly... why is this whole "you're being intolerant of my intolerance " somehow still an acceptable thing? Is it that privileged white males desperately need to feel persecuted? Not to mention, this whole baffling monologue barely even makes sense.

That sure is a lot of words for a bigot to say they aren't a bigot.

# ? Apr 30, 2013 13:53

AKA Pseudonym: May 16, 2004; A dashing and sophisticated young man; Doctor Rope

1stGear posted:

So what's the over-under on some really awful anti-labor stuff being posted tomorrow? On one hand, most Americans probably don't know about May Day but the ones who do are probably going to be pretty opinionated.

Anybody with a memory of the Cold War knows what May Day is about, even if it's just on some "Commie tank parade day" level.

# ? Apr 30, 2013 13:57

XyloJW: Jul 23, 2007

AKA Pseudonym posted:

Anybody with a memory of the Cold War knows what May Day is about, even if it's just on some "Commie tank parade day" level.

True, but most Americans who are politically active have no memory of the Cold War. At least in a mass sense, our collective national memory goes back 8 years, max. No one remembers stupid poo poo said in the leadup to the Iraq War which is why Bush's museum is able to open, no one remembered why Newt Gingrich was booted out of elected office (though we've since then had a refresher), and no one remembers that May Day exists.

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Zuhzuhzombie!!: Apr 17, 2008; FACTS ARE A CONSPIRACY BY THE CAPITALIST OPRESSOR

Chris Broussard is an rear end in a top hat and an analog to that one vegan jerkoff you know that ruins it for all of the sensible vegetarians by grandstanding about his belief that Meat is Murder every time someone mentions cooking and eating Not Kale.

# ? Apr 30, 2013 15:55

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