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Arglebargle III: Feb 21, 2006

Yes, of course. But the point is salary raises have to come first, or as part of a package. You can't do a corruption crackdown with such a huge incentive for corruption unchanged.

# ? Apr 25, 2013 06:55

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# ? May 21, 2024 03:16

caberham: Mar 18, 2009; by Smythe; Grimey Drawer

Hey guys, instead of kids street making GBS threads, it's :pcgaming:

elevator poo poo time :pcgaming:

http://shanghaiist.com/2013/04/24/husband_keeps_watch_as_wife_poops_in_shenzhen_metro_elevator.php

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiHVtptu3CM

:china:

Mainlanders do have amazing legs, from all the squatting they do :downsrim:

# ? Apr 25, 2013 07:03

GuestBob: Nov 27, 2005

Arglebargle III posted:

Yes, of course. But the point is salary raises have to come first, or as part of a package. You can't do a corruption crackdown with such a huge incentive for corruption unchanged.

And you can't have salary rises without a corruption crackdown (which nobody wants).

Quite the little dialectic.

Actually, who am I kidding? Of course you can have a salary rise without a corruption crackdown, you're the loving CPC, you can do what you like. What's going to happen? Some bad noise on QQ? gently caress it, that's what the Daioyu Islands are for. If the netizens get really festive about things then just lift the filter on a bunch of porn sites: any emerging social-media based revolution would wank itself to a sticky halt in no time.

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Obviously I am exaggerating but the point is that if there was a real will behind this then it would get done.

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Caberham posted:

making GBS threads

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GuestBob fucked around with this message at 10:31 on Apr 25, 2013

# ? Apr 25, 2013 10:14

Deceitful Penguin: Feb 16, 2011

Sorry, was at the summer house on the first day of summer with my folks. Only snowed a little, was nice. So, you guys had some questions about Iceland, I threw them up in a swell thread over in A/T. Here's the thread and your answers, Bloodnose, hitension and Teddybear.

Bloodnose posted:

The more I read about Timothy Tong, the former commissioner of the ICAC, the more pissed off I get. It's really a shining beacon of light in east Asian politics, but he really pulled some hosed up poo poo:

But there is hope that his successor, Simon Peh, will be less of an rear end in a top hat:

This is from the comments at the bottom of the article, so it's probably bullshit, but gives an idea of the image Tong has now:

That dude sounds like a right rear end, but what exactly does the ICAC do? And what do you have to do to get a job there? Would it be worth it to finish my degree in ethics if I could get a job there? :allears:

# ? Apr 26, 2013 00:52

caberham: Mar 18, 2009; by Smythe; Grimey Drawer

Well in the 50's and 60's Hong Kong was super corrupt. Everyone wanted tea money or some sweetener. Want a fireman to put out a fire? Better cough up water money. Want the nurse to provide you water? Good luck, you better pay the care taker in advance! If you don't want to pay, you just name drop. Does this sound awfully familiar? Like China There was actually a rampant drug problem and some of the gangsters were actually police officers. Getting arrested is not a pleasant thing, besides getting your rear end beaten, the legal process was really weak. You were better off calling a police officer friend to get out of jail :smith:

Police officers back then were considered as thugs in uniform.

But those were more minor problems. Larger ones come from shoddy construction projects similar to Sichuan schools. Lots of public housing projects had short piling problems and collapsed during heavy tropical storms. The straw which broke the camel's back was Godber

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Fitzroy_Godber

A corrupt police officer who just used his policeman passport to skip immigration and leave town when the police investigation office questioned him. Which was a loving joke because the police investigation office back then is just like the police complaints office right now. Located within the same building and consists of regular cops who just happen to be transferred there.

So the whole city became really mad that a white guy could just leave town. Maclehose was an angry Scotsman and started the ICAC. Just like the movie "the Untouchables", they were actually masqueraded as the Inland Revenue department and reported directly to the Queen or the Governor. It was a house cleaning operation and over half of the city's cops were under arrest by the ICAC. But not everything was rosy though, it was desperate times for desperate measures: in several investigations, extra legal procedures were used. Wow so much back story...

So what do the ICAC do? They actually do a lot of research and community out reach. How does corruption occur and why? Not everyone in Hong Kong was out to nickel and dime their way for more money but some people were truly a victim of the environment. You have the herbivores who just follow the crowd and participate in collective corruption who to prevent being ostracized. You have the opportunists who love exploiting drug dealers/pimps/whores/smugglers or whoever was against their moral compass. Then you get the gently caress you got mine assholes, the top dog carnivores who just wants everything.

The key to foster a corruption free environment is like raising animals, isolate the herbivores and make them the dominant species. Shady older cops were encouraged to retire early and personal habits examined. Morally pure yet crazy Christians were given priority for promotion and instead of gambling and whoring, lots of officer recreation facilities were built afterwards. Officers were encouraged to go hike, do group activities and kind of act like a fraternity (without the drinking).

Joining the ICAC? Unfortunately, after the handover you need dual proficiency in written and speaking for Chinese and English even though almost all the government documents/reports are in English :qq:

There's an ethics test, and a trip to a deserted island for 3 days. You are given food which explicitly can not be consumed. And a whole bunch of other aptitude tests. Other qualifications? If you have a finance degree or other hard skill sets the government will welcome you. In this bad economy and expensive houses, everyone loves kissing Grandpa Mao's rear end and work for the government. Great pay, great holidays, and special housing benefits.All that ICAC talk. It may be a separate body but still not as powerful as Singapore's police affairs.

Hey guys enjoy this racist picture :china:

Top (Hong Kong) : 18 people immediately pushed a mini van out of the way to save a woman

Bottom (China): Poor Yue Yue got crushed by a car and ignored by 18 people. the worst joke is that, not all mainlanders are bad, it takes 19 people to save one

caberham fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Apr 27, 2013

# ? Apr 26, 2013 07:27

Deceitful Penguin: Feb 16, 2011

caberham posted:

Joining the ICAC? Unfortunately, after the handover you need dual proficiency in written and speaking for Chinese and English even though almost all the government documents/reports are in English There's an ethics test, and a trip to a deserted island for 3 days. You are given food which explicitly can not be consumed. And a whole bunch of other aptitude tests. Other qualifications? If you have a finance degree or other hard skill sets the government will welcome you. In this bad economy and expensive houses, everyone loves kissing Grandpa Mao's rear end and work for the government. Great pay, great holidays, and special housing benefits.All that ICAC talk. It may be a separate body but still not as powerful as Singapore's police affairs.

Again my choice of inferior moon runes comes back to haunt me. :negative:

Ethics wouldn't be a problem or the food but hard skills? Hah, nothing accredited. Basic office work and practical poo poo like painting, basic plumbing and a bit of computer knowledge. All my education has been on the non-practical end. Eh.

And that's drat interesting, I thought the ICAC was older than that, but I always forget how short it is since the handover. Have there been any like hella impressive busts they done since? And why weren't them dudes in Sleeping Dogs? Why did my videogame omit such an awesome organization??

# ? Apr 26, 2013 17:08

Warcabbit: Apr 26, 2008; Wedge Regret

http://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/04/what-happened-to-chinas-rivers/275365/

quote:

As recently as 20 years ago, there were an estimated 50,000 rivers in China, each covering a flow area of at least 60 square miles. But now, according to China's First National Census of Water, more than 28,000 of these rivers are missing. To put this number into context, China's lost rivers are almost equivalent, in terms of basin area, to the United States losing the entire Mississippi River.

Why have these rivers "vanished" from the maps and national records?

Official explanations from the Chinese government have attributed the significant reduction to statistical discrepancies, water and soil loss, and climate change.

"The disparity in numbers was caused mainly by inaccurate estimates in the past, as well as climate change and water and soil loss. Due to limited technology in the past, the previous figures were estimated using incomplete topographic maps dating back to the 1950s," said Huang He, China's Deputy Director of the Ministry of Water Resources, in an interview with the South China Morning Post.

While this explanation seems plausible, Chinese web users, an active and formidable force for raising environmental issues with the Chinese government, are not satisfied. One user named Yami Laoliu, writing on the popular Chinese social media platform Sina Weibo, voiced skepticism: "I am surprised to learn that 28,000 rivers have already disappeared in the map. Is it natural disaster? Or man-made mistake? I think both played a role, but it was mainly a man-made mistake."

Peter Gleick, president of the Pacific Institute and a leading water expert agrees: "Climate change is a real threat to the world's resources, and we already see evidence of impacts on water availability, quality, and extreme events. But the water challenges in China are far greater than just climate change," he said.

Pinning the rivers' disappearance on climate change is politically palatable right now, and the human origin of global warming is not controversial in China. But in an unusual twist, blaming climate change allows officials to absolve themselves of the poor management, governance, lack of groundwater extraction controls, and rapid development that are more likely culprits for the river's disappearances.

And so it continues. Dustbowl getting more likely.

# ? Apr 30, 2013 11:16

pentyne: Nov 7, 2012

Warcabbit posted:

http://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/04/what-happened-to-chinas-rivers/275365/

And so it continues. Dustbowl getting more likely.

Holy poo poo. Most Americans still think the Dustbowl was some unavoidable natural ecological disaster not a man made gently caress-up. If something of that scale happens in China it's going to be way more devastating to the agricultural sector.

# ? Apr 30, 2013 12:04

WarpedNaba: Feb 8, 2012; Being social makes me swell!

Warcabbit posted:

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Climate change is, in general, caused by a lot of these things in the first place. How do they think is this absolving anything?

WarpedNaba fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Apr 30, 2013

# ? Apr 30, 2013 12:40

GuestBob: Nov 27, 2005

Warcabbit posted:

And so it continues. Dustbowl getting more likely.

I don't disagree with the depletion of water supply and the drop in the water table but China could feasibly manage an administrative error of that scale.

China needs more geographers. The last time there was a drought in Yunnan, local TV carried broadcasts of village officials proudly digging dozens of wells (for the umpteenth time). Yes, because that's a sustainable water management solution for a hot area.

# ? Apr 30, 2013 13:09

Arglebargle III: Feb 21, 2006

Well there's some news from the little countries thread that I thought was worth a repost here. Thanks to ReindeerF for finding this originally.

quote:

'Honey Laundering' Is An International Problem

There might be something funny in your honey.

Food-safety experts have found that much of the honey sold in the United States isn't actually honey, but a concoction of corn or rice syrup, malt sweeteners or "jiggery" (cheap, unrefined sugar), plus a small amount of genuine honey, according to Wired UK.

Worse, some honey � much of which is imported from Asia � has been found to contain toxins like lead and other heavy metals, as well as drugs like chloramphenicol, an antibiotic, according to a Department of Justice news release.

And because cheap honey from China was being dumped on the U.S. market at artificially low prices, Chinese honey is now subject to additional import duties. So Chinese exporters simply ship their honey to Thailand or other countries, where it is relabeled to hide its origins, according to NPR.org.

This international "honey-laundering" scandal has now resulted in a Justice Department indictment of two U.S. companies and the charging of five people with selling mislabeled honey that also contained chloramphenicol.

Honey Solutions of Baytown, Texas, and Groeb Farms of Onsted, Mich., have agreed to pay millions of dollars in fines and implement corporate compliance measures following a lengthy Justice Department investigation.

"This is a huge deal for the industry. This is the first admission by a U.S. packer," of knowingly importing mislabeled honey, Eric Wenger, chairman of True Source Honey, told NPR. True Source Honey is an industry consortium with an auditing system to guarantee the actual origin of honey.

Honey isn't the only food product subject to impurities and mislabeling. Olive oil is often cut with cheaper oils and sold at premium prices, a practice that's expected to expand as a shortage of the oil (caused by a 2012 drought in southern Europe) hits global markets.

A possible solution to the honey-provenance quandary has come from an unlikely source: astronomy. A laser isotope ratio-meter was developed to search for methane gas on Mars, according to Wired UK. But that same technology can be used to analyze the smoke given off by heated honey, olive oil or other food to find its unique carbon "fingerprint" and determine its origin.

A sample of honey, for example, can be matched to the flowers of a specific geographic region through the laser analysis.
"You will know, in the case of olive oil, if it genuinely comes from Sicily or if it is a counterfeited fake," Damien Weidmann, laser spectroscopy expert at Rutherford Appleton Laboratory in Harwell, England, told Wired UK.

Honey is an ideal application for the laser isotope ratio-meter because "it's an expensive product to buy, but you can create a counterfeit product that looks very similar using sugar instead of bees," David Bell, director of Protium (manufacturer of the isotope ratio-meter), told Wired UK.

Fake honey has been a well-known problem here in China for a long time but I'm surprised to see it moving out into the U.S. You tend to think of the U.S. having decent food safety standards. I suppose we can assume that something will be done about it in the U.S. (no doubt spearheaded by domestic honey manufacturers) while in China nothing will happen.

# ? Apr 30, 2013 18:02

Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; "Tiny Trains"

All my honey claims to be made locally so I generally trust it. Also the fake stuff is terrible so I'd hope I'd notice. Oh god my honey!

# ? Apr 30, 2013 18:06

Silver2195: Apr 4, 2012

WarpedNaba posted:

Climate change is, in general, caused by a lot of these things in the first place. How do they think is this absolving anything?

Climate change is a global process for which China can't be solely blamed.

# ? Apr 30, 2013 18:42

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

Silver2195 posted:

Climate change is a global process for which China can't be solely blamed.

Granted, what is happening to the water table in China is probably beyond just climate change, as more and more water resources are needed for an urbanized population and an massive industrial base.

Also there is the fact that the water resources left are being contaminated on a continual basis. China in some ways was just unfortunate from circumstance, the Western world had already industrialized and it means their emissions are happening while the West's emissions are still being put out but there are plenty of their own choices at play that are also contributing to it.

# ? Apr 30, 2013 18:54

Cefte: Sep 18, 2004; tranquil consciousness

Arglebargle III posted:

Well there's some news from the little countries thread that I thought was worth a repost here. Thanks to ReindeerF for finding this originally.

Fake honey has been a well-known problem here in China for a long time but I'm surprised to see it moving out into the U.S. You tend to think of the U.S. having decent food safety standards. I suppose we can assume that something will be done about it in the U.S. (no doubt spearheaded by domestic honey manufacturers) while in China nothing will happen.

Does domestically manufactured American honey proclaim loudly on its label that it's been ultra-filtered? Because that's a pretty strong piece of evidence that it's been adulterated, since adulteration shifts the pollen count within the liquid, which can't be measured after filtration.

# ? Apr 30, 2013 22:38

hailthefish: Oct 24, 2010

Cefte posted:

Does domestically manufactured American honey proclaim loudly on its label that it's been ultra-filtered? Because that's a pretty strong piece of evidence that it's been adulterated, since adulteration shifts the pollen count within the liquid, which can't be measured after filtration.

Not the stuff I have, but the stuff I have is definitely no-pollen honey. Well, the Inter-American Foods bear-shaped plastic bottle honey anyway. Not the giant mason jar full of honey with some of the wax still in it, pretty sure that's fine.

# ? Apr 30, 2013 22:53

sub supau: Aug 28, 2007

Sorry to barge in like this, but I have a question for the resident Hongkies - got any recommendations for cool art galleries, boutiques, or the like? I'm going to be in HK for the weekend of June 1, and I've got zero interest in spending my free afternoon touristing around shops or visiting the usual attractions. I've heard Chai Wan and Sheung Wan (and Gough Street in particular) are the areas to look at, but I don't really know anything more specific than that.

# ? May 1, 2013 12:37

Deceitful Penguin: Feb 16, 2011

TetsuoTW posted:

Sorry to barge in like this, but I have a question for the resident Hongkies - got any recommendations for cool art galleries, boutiques, or the like? I'm going to be in HK for the weekend of June 1, and I've got zero interest in spending my free afternoon touristing around shops or visiting the usual attractions. I've heard Chai Wan and Sheung Wan (and Gough Street in particular) are the areas to look at, but I don't really know anything more specific than that.

You want the other megathread, probably, it's way more active and more for general questions.

# ? May 1, 2013 13:33

sub supau: Aug 28, 2007

Bloody hell, I didn't even know there was a second one. Thanks! As you were.

# ? May 1, 2013 14:46

Arglebargle III: Feb 21, 2006

The government seems pretty convinced that protests are brewing in Chengdu tomorrow over an oil refinery in the suburb of Pengzhou at the terminus of an oil pipeline constructed at great expense from Lanzhou in Gansu province. Critically, the refinery and pipeline were planned and started before the Sichuan fault zone became active in 2008. In 2008 there were also protests over the oil refinery. Now... well I'll let the article tell you.

SCMP posted:

Chengdu ethylene plant halts construction over quake safety fears

The controversial ethylene factory comes under scrutiny over safety concerns
Wednesday, 01 May, 2013 [Updated: 02:41]

Chengdu , the capital of Sichuan province, has halted a controversial chemical plant project amid concerns over its proximity to an earthquake fault line.

"The government insists that it will not allow production at the petrochemical project in Pengzhou to begin prior to a legally required examination," the Chengdu Daily quoted a statement from a city council meeting on Monday.

The statement came nine days after a magnitude 7 earthquake struck Sichuan and killed at least 196 people. The quake reignited concerns over potential health hazards caused by the petrochemical factory in the northwestern suburbs of the city of 14 million.

"We have undertaken a careful investigation into factors affecting social stability," the report said, referring to calls for protests against the plant.

A 33-yer-old woman was arrested on Friday after she called for a protest on May 4 against the plant. In a post on Thursday on her microblog that has since been deleted, she also said the protest had been approved by authorities.

Chengdu Television showed her apologising for posting the siren call during a news broadcast on Friday, but it failed to ease online anger at the plant project and her arrest. Searches for "Pengzhou petrochemical plant" were yesterday blocked on Sina Weibo, the mainland's most popular microblogging platform.

"A factory that pollutes the environment shouldn't be allowed [to operate]," said a Pengzhou resident. "I would not oppose a factory that doesn't pollute next to my home."

"The discharge of poisonous gases would have a serious health impact, and could even lead to cancer," another Chengdu resident said on condition of anonymity. "Because of the Sichuan Basin's geography, air pollutants cannot thin out."

If a protest occurs on Saturday, it would not be the first against the ethylene plant. In 2008, a week before the magnitude 8 earthquake struck another part of Sichuan, more than 200 people marched in the city calling for a suspension of its construction.

After the 2008 earthquake, urban authorities promised to re-examine the plant's environmental impact and its ability to withstand earthquakes, but eventually resumed planning and started construction in 2011.

The plant, launched by oil and gas giant PetroChina with an initial investment of 38.1 billion yuan (HK$48 billion), was Sichuan's largest investment project when it was announced.

Corruption allegations last year have only increased concerns about the project.
This article first appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition on May 01, 2013 as Chengdu halts plant work amid quake fears

Of course, nobody in China believes for a second that the safety inspection means anything, and anyone with a memory longer than a goldfish recalls that they did the same thing 5 years ago and re-approved the project. The end result is an oil refinery in a densely populated region in an earthquake zone, with no popular support and no credible safety oversight, which is the sort of thing people might get upset over.

On a side note, the government has rescheduled classes for Saturday with only one day's notice to keep high school and university students indoors for May 4th. As a teacher, I would like to say: gently caress this gay refinery.

Anyone want to give odds or speculate on the many, various, and indubitably spectacular possibilities of mixing oil refineries and magnitude 7 earthquakes? Remember, the refinery was designed on the assumption that Sichuan was geologically stable! :suicide:

# ? May 3, 2013 06:24

WarpedNaba: Feb 8, 2012; Being social makes me swell!

Hmmm, volatile fuels, hazardous substances and a good chance to get wrecked by disasters? Sounds like Fukushima all over again, except that had the necessary precautions taken.

# ? May 3, 2013 08:40

Electro-Boogie Jack: Nov 22, 2006; bagger mcguirk sent me.

WarpedNaba posted:

Hmmm, volatile fuels, hazardous substances and a good chance to get wrecked by disasters? Sounds like Fukushima all over again, except that had the necessary precautions taken.

Seriously, if the Fukushima plant had been built with China levels of safety regulations, there'd be a good chunk of Japan missing today...

... and Chinese crowds would still be going crazy with sheer delight.

# ? May 3, 2013 14:25

WarpedNaba: Feb 8, 2012; Being social makes me swell!

No wonder they're pushing for Thorium reactor research in the mainland, no matter how you gently caress it up, it just doesn't blow up or melt down.

# ? May 3, 2013 21:55

Badger of Basra: Jul 26, 2007

This is kind of a general HK question, but are there plans for the end of the two systems period? What does the central government say is going to happen in 2049?

# ? May 4, 2013 00:14

Deep State of Mind: Jul 30, 2006; "It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."; Fun Shoe

It's 2047 and no, no one says what will happen. It's kind of crazy to think about what might happen then. China could have democratized, or Shadowrun could become a reality, or we could just maintain the status quo. Chief Justice Geoffrey Ma said we should keep common law. I think most people at this point like the status quo.

# ? May 4, 2013 05:10

Wonton: Jul 5, 2012

Bloodnose posted:

It's 2047 and no, no one says what will happen. It's kind of crazy to think about what might happen then. China could have democratized, or Shadowrun could become a reality, or we could just maintain the status quo. Chief Justice Geoffrey Ma said we should keep common law. I think most people at this point like the status quo.

If there will be laws that needs to be kept by then =]

# ? May 5, 2013 04:06

Arglebargle III: Feb 21, 2006

There is apparently a protest today outside the chemical plant in Pengzhou. Central Chengdu is locked down pretty tight but it's just bored policemen and closed-off areas, nothing seems to be happening in the city center.

# ? May 5, 2013 05:36

WarpedNaba: Feb 8, 2012; Being social makes me swell!

No tanks this time? Where's the passion?

# ? May 5, 2013 07:47

Ailumao: Nov 4, 2004

Arglebargle III posted:

There is apparently a protest today outside the chemical plant in Pengzhou. Central Chengdu is locked down pretty tight but it's just bored policemen and closed-off areas, nothing seems to be happening in the city center.

I'd be surprised if businesses didn't whine about this. Today was the deadest Sunday I've ever seen in Chengdu, and was down around Chunxi and the Financial center. I wonder how much money these businesses lost cause of this lockdown/don't go out stuff that people apparently listened to.

Thankfully that meant my theatre for Iron Man 3 was empty :getin:

# ? May 5, 2013 09:19

Arglebargle III: Feb 21, 2006

Yeah this is a hugely boneheaded maneuver from every perspective except one -- the city officials who are afraid their careers will be ruined if a major protest breaks out. It's bad for publicity, bad for public trust, bad for the economy, bad for students, obviously bad for free speech and the environment... but it's good for the cadres. We all knew the government's priorities (me, myself and I) but this is a terribly crass way of showing it.

# ? May 5, 2013 10:37

Arglebargle III: Feb 21, 2006

There was actually a large protest in Kunming today (coincidence?) over a PX (paraxylene) plant under construction there, the same type of plant that has been run out of Tianjin and Ningbo by similar protests over the last few years. Kunming officials neglected to move the weekend and stage an earthquake drill/combat exercise (the Chengdu government seems not to have had its story straight on that excuse) on the day in question.

A square in Kunming:

A banner reads "Still [return?]* our beautiful Kunming! We want to survive! We want health! PX project get out of Kunming!"

*I don't know the local dialect and I rarely see 还 used this way in Mandarin but it seems likely from context. Maybe I just don't know, my Mandarin is not perfect by any means.

# ? May 5, 2013 10:51

caberham: Mar 18, 2009; by Smythe; Grimey Drawer

You are right,it means return. In thus case it's "give me back my beautiful kunming"

# ? May 5, 2013 11:11

Barto: Dec 27, 2004

Arglebargle III posted:

A banner reads "Still [return?]* our beautiful Kunming! We want to survive! We want health! PX project get out of Kunming!"

*I don't know the local dialect and I rarely see 还 used this way in Mandarin but it seems likely from context. Maybe I just don't know, my Mandarin is not perfect by any means.

還 huan/hai are the same character, so ya, gimme back my Kunming!
(take it! take it!)

# ? May 5, 2013 12:04

Deep State of Mind: Jul 30, 2006; "It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."; Fun Shoe

CCTV aired a Jon Stewart segment under a headline that roughly translates from Chinese as tuquoque.flv

# ? May 7, 2013 06:49

Arglebargle III: Feb 21, 2006

Haha wow are they hoping their audience won't immediately notice that he's doing something they would never be allowed to do?

# ? May 7, 2013 06:59

Deep State of Mind: Jul 30, 2006; "It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."; Fun Shoe

Yes, they're hoping people will focus more on "Wow, the American government is horrible and how dare they criticize China about human rights?" i.e. tu quoque.

# ? May 7, 2013 07:04

caberham: Mar 18, 2009; by Smythe; Grimey Drawer

It's an appeal to the master Han race. I really hate lazy arguments based on some fuzzy value. Western-democracy :suicide:

International standards of fairness :suicide:

Hong Kong's electoral system is fair and broad enough because it reaches an international standard of fairness even though there is no Universal Suffrage. Geeze guys, can't we be the ones who set the international standard for once or do things better because I don't know... we can? It's always getting by with the bare minimum :smith:

# ? May 7, 2013 10:12

Modus Operandi: Oct 5, 2010

What are the cancer rates in China compared with the U.S. ? The U.S. seems to lead the first world by a wide margin in cancer so this makes me curious. I think all the processed sugary food and exposure to household chemicals is what does most Americans in cancer wise.

China has even less stringent regulations concerning products, air quality, or factory placement so I imagine there must be skyrocketing lung, stomach, and colon cancer.

# ? May 7, 2013 17:34

Warcabbit: Apr 26, 2008; Wedge Regret

I'm going to hazard a guess of 'unreported' and also 'wait ten years for things to flower.'

# ? May 7, 2013 18:15

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# ? May 21, 2024 03:16

Arglebargle III: Feb 21, 2006

What? No cancer is a big thing here and there's lots of information on it. Have you never heard of "cancer cities"? Lung cancer and all cancers have indeed skyrocketed especially in heavy industry cities. It's a thing that people have been studying for quite some time.

# ? May 7, 2013 18:30

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