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Let's not forget the two people with television sets for heads getting it on in the first or second issue. Robot sex? Cool! Gay sex? Bleagh!
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I don't think this is quite the "gay sex" vs. "straight sex" some people are making it out to be. What was banned is literally in image someone holding a cock and blowing it. (First two pages here: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=16005 ) Marko and Alana's page of them having sex didn't show explicit parts (I'm not including breasts as explicit). I can't remember exactly what was shown on sextillion and if it was anything beyond nudity or 'softcore' depictions of sex. This seems to me like a "softcore porn" stuff is okay, and "hardcore porn" stuff isn't - at least as far is Apple is concerned. It's not really censorship. As content providers there aren't really any measures to ensure adult content is only being sold to adults on the App store, beyond a one time credit card activation - and even then, a 12 year old kid could buy an Apple card from the store. It just feels like a bunch of lawyers are making this call to protect their butts. If Apple really was trying to 'censor' this, don't you think they would have blocked the web download workaround that was posted immediately? I can understand where the decision is coming from. I think the real outrage is that we have to wait until August for #13.
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Apr 9, 2013 23:24
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No one should ever buy their comics from within the iPad or iPhone app because (I believe) Apple gets a cut from every sale on their devices. All that money should be going to Comixology and the publishers, not friggin Apple. I say this as someone who owns two iPhones, an iPad, an AppleTV and a Mac.
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Apr 10, 2013 00:44
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Apple are stupid backwards morons for being opposed to adult material and it's unfair to a lot of creators who want to sell their stuff through one of the biggest avenues of distribution available. This just happens to make them look homophobic, too.
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bigmike posted:I don't think this is quite the "gay sex" vs. "straight sex" some people are making it out to be. What was banned is literally in image someone holding a cock and blowing it. (First two pages here: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=16005 ) Marko and Alana's page of them having sex didn't show explicit parts (I'm not including breasts as explicit). I can't remember exactly what was shown on sextillion and if it was anything beyond nudity or 'softcore' depictions of sex. This seems to me like a "softcore porn" stuff is okay, and "hardcore porn" stuff isn't - at least as far is Apple is concerned. Here you go:  http://i.imgur.com/4f5sQLc.jpg For anyone who doesn't want to / can't click, it's a multi person orgy where you see full penile / vaginal penetration along with a guy with a champagne bottle stuck up his rear end, along with a woman with a dick in her mouth.
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Apr 10, 2013 00:55
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bigmike posted:I don't think this is quite the "gay sex" vs. "straight sex" some people are making it out to be. What was banned is literally in image someone holding a cock and blowing it. (First two pages here: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=16005 ) Marko and Alana's page of them having sex didn't show explicit parts (I'm not including breasts as explicit). I can't remember exactly what was shown on sextillion and if it was anything beyond nudity or 'softcore' depictions of sex. This seems to me like a "softcore porn" stuff is okay, and "hardcore porn" stuff isn't - at least as far is Apple is concerned. Hopefully, what will happen is that Apple will see that they look like a bunch of homophobic pieces of poo poo and allow Comixology to publish Saga #12, which is exactly what happened before when some dudes were adapting Ulysses by James Joyce into comics form. Apple pulled some similar poo poo on a Eurocomics publisher and a few manga publishers, but since nobody cared about them I'm pretty sure they're still censored. And you know the best part? There's a thread over in Ask/Tell>Business, Finance and Careers about writing erotica to make money. That thread has inspired hundreds of erotic stories, many of which have been published through to the iTunes store directly, not in any third-party app like Comixology or anything. Each one of these stories has graphic depictions of sex an order of magnitude more graphic and explicit than anything BKV would bother putting in Saga. Ohhh ohh, but it's text so it's TOOOOTALLY different. Except that it's also intentionally lewd, lascivious and each of those stories is outright pornographic. It took me five seconds to find one of my own stories about gay werewolves having buttsex. Apple doesn't ban that stuff, but for some reason comics featuring gay sex get the banhammer.
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Apr 10, 2013 02:07
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7744 posted:Here you go: Yeah, this makes the whole thing look really inconsistently enforced. How is fellatio/bukkake more explicit than a bottle in the bum?
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Apr 10, 2013 07:38
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Question: how come Saga has 12 issues and is already slated for a Volume 2 paperback in July, while Prophet is up to 14 issues and there's no sign of a Volume 2 yet? Is it a sales thing? I ask this as someone who almost exclusively buys in paperback rather than month to month. I can't wait for Saga vol 2 anyhow, I'm looking forward to catching up on all the weird futuresex 
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Apr 10, 2013 08:28
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7744 posted:Here you go: Yeah, fair enough, it does make Apple look really inconsistent on this, although Apple still doesn't strike me as doing this from a place of homophobia - but that's just my personal opinion. Apple recently ordered a French company to remove comics that were considered pornographic, but didn't define exactly what that meant so the company removed pretty much anything with nudity. I'm not defending Apple's actions, but they can do whatever they want with their platform. I do feel like this situation is in a state of flux and that they've been thrust into the position of being content providers for several different types of media that all come with different issues. It's easy for a retailer to filter who they sell an issue of Saga or SEX to, but there's nothing like that on the App store or Comixology yet. This policy is pretty standard for a lot of big corporations, eBay makes you enter a credit card to view "adult material" auctions. Comixology and Apple could put something like that in place. It is pretty funny when there countless twitter accounts that post porn and there's nothing stopping anyone from opening Safari and viewing endless porn.
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Apr 10, 2013 09:00
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Apple don't like pictures of genitalia being available through their apps. It's the same with apps like Grindr etc, people can't use explicit pictures on their profile because it violates Apple's TOS. I don't think it's a selective thing, I doubt that they have people who can comb through every single item of content that's available through iTunes, or through App Store apps. On a certain website, it was mentioned that they had taken down those sexually explicit French comics, and how, until now, Saga had escaped a similar fate, despite having stuff like that as early as #1. It's possible that the guy who runs that certain website clued them in as to what other comics were sexually explicit. I'm pretty sure it's less to do with the fact that it's comic book characters partaking in disgusting gay acts (I'm pretty sure Apple doesn't want to alienate or drive away or piss off 90% of their customers, who tend to be quite vocal about this stuff), and more to do with the fact that they don't want parents suing them because they bought Little Johnny an iPad because it's easier than actually raising your child, and look at the filth he was able to download onto it. irlZaphod fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Apr 10, 2013 |
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Apr 10, 2013 11:18
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Hedrigall posted:Question: how come Saga has 12 issues and is already slated for a Volume 2 paperback in July, while Prophet is up to 14 issues and there's no sign of a Volume 2 yet? Is it a sales thing? I ask this as someone who almost exclusively buys in paperback rather than month to month. Trades don't have set number of issues in them and trade departments can be weird but I would presume that Prophets arc hasn't ended yet so there's no point putting out a trade which is only 80% of an arc. Prophet is a weird case though since the first TPB only included one of the short stories in it.
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It's weird, I could have swore I saw information on the second volume's release somewhere but now I can't find it. Especially since I have a picture saved on my hard drive that is supposedly the second volume cover.
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bigmike posted:Yeah, fair enough, it does make Apple look really inconsistent on this, although Apple still doesn't strike me as doing this from a place of homophobia - but that's just my personal opinion. Tim Cook is one of the most powerful openly gay men in America (and possibly the world). It's definitely not a deliberate inconsistency. Luckily it's easy enough to work around for those of us who read Saga digitally.
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Yeah, as stupid a decision as this is, it's really hard to make a claim that it's coming from homophobia, even though it can seem that way. As noted, the CEO is gay, the company donated to anti-Prop 8 groups, and have long extended benefits to the partners of gay employees.
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Apr 10, 2013 14:04
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As far as Saga #12 goes, I think it's worth mentioning that it is indeed available in the iTunes book store. BKV was wrong in his assessment of Apple "sometimes letting" more explicit content available there. The bookstore is not curated like the App Store is, so you can publish whatever you like there. They mention it fairly frequently when something gets pulled from the App Store for explicit or political or offensive content, they feel that sort of content belongs in the iTunes book store and not the App Store.
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Apr 10, 2013 15:31
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Apple's content management is as pointless as Nintendo. Everyone else requires age verification to access adult content, Apple would rather not have it at all or push it to some dark corner.
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Having read the book now it's kind of hilarious how much it's been blown out of proportion as it's just two small images of dicks. It as a really good issue as well, controversy aside, and I'm surprised at how much they seem to have upped the "everybody starts to meet". EDIT: Bringing the controversy talk to the Derailed thread as poo poo just got more interesting. Waterhaul fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Apr 10, 2013 |
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choobs posted:All that money should be going to Comixology and the publishers Personally I think that money should be going to the creators. Also Apple's been doing this poo poo for years and years: http://fictioncircus.com/news.php?id=375
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You know, I try not to rush to judgment but I think I'm just gonna drop Sex. Casey's had two issues now to do anything at all to truly grab me for the long term, but it's just amounted to a half-baked Batman elseworld with genitals. And for as much controversy as the sexual stuff has surrounding it, it's quite dull and inconsequential when all is said and done. Actually, that sums up the series for me thus far: dull and inconsequential.
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http://fionastaples.tumblr.com/post/47636648951/follow-up-from-bkv-apple-vs-saga-12-a#_=_Space_Butler posted:You know, I try not to rush to judgment but I think I'm just gonna drop Sex. Casey's had two issues now to do anything at all to truly grab me for the long term, but it's just amounted to a half-baked Batman elseworld with genitals. And for as much controversy as the sexual stuff has surrounding it, it's quite dull and inconsequential when all is said and done. Actually, that sums up the series for me thus far: dull and inconsequential. Thanks for the review. I was thinking I was going to give it one more issue, but I don't think I'll even be doing that now. From a bunch of series that I've been reading I get the sense that the writer is so caught up in telling a big story arc that they're forgetting that they need to make each issue compelling on its own. One of the things I love about Saga is that its really nailing both. bigmike fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Apr 10, 2013 |
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Looks like they're backing away their position against Saga #12:quote:To our customers - And here's Vaughn view on it, and his mistakes about what was happening: quote:UPDATE: In light of the news, Brian K. Vaughan released the following statement: My bad, going to head over to the Derailed thread as well.
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Apr 10, 2013 22:13
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I actually dug Sex #2. I think. Maybe I just really like Dark Knight Returns.
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I am going to give Sex a few more issues, but honestly may drop it just because of the HIGHLIGHTED words IN sentences. It drives me loving crazy it's so annoying to read my brain automatically just goes to the words.
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Just finished reading Star Wars: Legacy. It was pretty much everything I wanted out of an EU story. I loved the characters, the art was fantastic (Duursema's consistently incredible), and Ostrander always manages to write dialogue that is never awkward, like in some other Star Wars comics (I'm looking at you, Tales of the Jedi). That said, the wrap-up, War, felt a bit rushed. All the loose-ends were tied up neatly, but they could have drawn it out for maybe another 3-4 issues to let it breath a little bit. Why exactly was the series cancelled after 50 issues, anyway? It was great, and I'd heard it sold well. Doesn't seem to make any sense.
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Apr 24, 2013 07:44
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So Old Man Logan was the last Millar book I checked in on and I figured Frank Quitely was a good as reason as any to check it out. I quite enjoyed the Authority, Old Man Logan and Ultimate Fantastic Four and Ultimate X-Men, but other times (Wanted, Kick rear end, Civil War) Millar has left me a little sour. Jupiter's Legacy was pretty mellow, I think was the word I have been searching for, considering what I was expecting. The fact that there is more world building than punching and one-liners is something I enjoyed. I didn't really feel like I wasted 3 dollars (Quitely art is always worth at least that) and I'll check it out next month, too.
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Baron Fuzzlewhack posted:Just finished reading Star Wars: Legacy. It was pretty much everything I wanted out of an EU story. I loved the characters, the art was fantastic (Duursema's consistently incredible), and Ostrander always manages to write dialogue that is never awkward, like in some other Star Wars comics (I'm looking at you, Tales of the Jedi). Disney owns Star Wars now, and is presumably planning revert the comics rights to Marvel.
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Mimir posted:Disney owns Star Wars now, and is presumably planning revert the comics rights to Marvel. Pretty sure Dark Horse has something like 2 years left with the license. Maybe 18 months now?
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Plus, Legacy was cut short well before that merger happened.
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Mike Carey apparently has a new ongoing out at Boom! Studios today called Suicide Run I believe. Anyone know anything about the artist? Mike Carey is usually a blind buy for me so I guess it doesn't matter, but I didn't know about this book at all until this morning so I am pretty excited.
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Bitchin Kitchen posted:Mike Carey apparently has a new ongoing out at Boom! Studios today called Suicide Risk I believe. I read it I liked it! Boom! Has been putting out some really cool stuff lately. Senor Candle fucked around with this message at 18:31 on May 1, 2013 |
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May 1, 2013 14:00
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My bad, it was Suicide Risk, not Run. It was also very enjoyable.
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My local shop had a table set up for two local guys who are starting their own comic. It's called Cowboy Mummy. I picked up what served as the first issue and all their shorts today because it's supporting a local guy and why not. All of the stuff they've put out is available free on their website. It's not too terrible. You can definitely tell that it's a beginner work. The dialogue isn't bad but I feel it needs some work and the art isn't bad but could probably use some refining. It kind of feels like he's trying to channel Atomic Robo with it and falling just a little short. Figured I'd post it here because why not.
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So I read the first three issues of Morning Glories. It is I think fairly well liked? I found it rather obnoxious, didn't respond well to the characters, dialog or art. Does it pick up at all or if I'm hating it right now should I just give up?
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May 9, 2013 15:16
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It's Nick Spencer, "not good" is the best you're gonna get.
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Goatmask posted:So I read the first three issues of Morning Glories. It is I think fairly well liked? I found it rather obnoxious, didn't respond well to the characters, dialog or art. Does it pick up at all or if I'm hating it right now should I just give up? I'm absolutely hooked, but then I'm a total sucker for melodrama and ~*~mysteries~*~ so if you aren't it may not be the book for you
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Morning Glories is one of the last guilty pleasure comics I collect. The story is confusing as gently caress and doesn't go anywhere fast but for some reason I can't stop reading it.
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I finally got around to reading Sweet Tooth. Holy gently caress this series I should have read it sooner.
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Has anyone read Michel Fiffe's Copra series? He's a Suicide Squad fanboy, and Copra is his homage to John Ostrander's classic late '80s run -- very familiar characters but changed just enough to not infringe on DC's intellectual properties. Is it any good, though? A TPB with the first three ultra-rare issues just became available.
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