|
Jerry SanDisky posted:ariane 5 and therac-25 didn't change things yep, I imagine we'll see a lot of smaller scale incidents where we'll blame the people involved for relying on software. a couple of court cases will set the precedent that companies can't be held liable for their products. ha ha that's already happening. it's not like facebook has been used by hate groups, or youtube videos have lead to the people in question killing themselves. yay technology. maybe we'll either have a massive panic, or a malware epidemic which renders online transactions impossible, or perhaps a scada worm that happens to backfire, with unintended side effects, perhaps shutting off power to a large proportion of the western world. or perhaps america will cut the submarine cables during wartime, akin to scrambling gps, as a last resort for computer security. things will probably gently caress up, they always do.
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:20
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 6, 2024 19:51 |
|
|
help i'm turning into a primitivist.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:20
|
|
|
time to start posting bombs to academics
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:22
|
|
|
Shaggar posted:theres more than advertising and academia. also twits and facebook will eventually collapse once advertisers realize how worthless they are. folks like amazon and good do the real datamining and price setting. myspace, friendster and such expired when they suffered from a generational gap. the hardest thing for them is not raking money from advertisers, but continuing to be relevant in the face of a stagnating user group.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:22
|
|
|
Jerry SanDisky posted:time to start posting bombs to academics  
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:24
|
|
|
jhalp my revenue source is advertisement and spam but my users hate that
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:24
|
|
|
Hard NOP Life posted:Thanks for bring it up tef, now I'm sad no problem, i like crushing hope
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:26
|
|
|
Jerry SanDisky posted:time to start posting bombs to academics bombs are so last century, the modern violent kook prefers chemical or biological weapons
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:27
|
|
|
MononcQc posted:I haven't had a job where I truly knew what I was doing when I got it at this point and I'm starting to think I wouldn't have it any other way. sure, but there is a limit to how many times you can restart as a junior programmer. at some point you have to rely on skills or hard won experience, that is until you're made obsolete by a younger generation who will work for peanuts.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:28
|
|
|
I'm working at a startup which seems neither particularly immoral nor obviously doomed do I win a prize
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:29
|
|
|
MononcQc posted:jhalp my revenue source is advertisement and spam but my users hate that its not ads you twit
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:31
|
|
|
MononcQc posted:jhalp my revenue source is advertisement and spam but my users hate that at a company i worked, we did a price comparison search. the cheapest retailers wouldn't pay referrals, or kickbacks. if we turned off some companies, we made more money. if something broke, we made more money as the only results would be adverts. if we actually did what we claimed, we'd never make any money. we never asked for money when we added a site, but we would threaten to take them off the site once we'd convinced them to give us money. it takes a rare sociopath with long term thinking to focus on adverts that won't drive users away, rather than spamming them to gently caress for short term profit. altruism is not a business model, profit thrives on exploitation.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:33
|
|
|
tef posted:lol epic i thought they only hired kids fresh out of undergrad who don't know any better
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:34
|
|
|
PleasingFungus posted:I'm working at a startup which seems neither particularly immoral nor obviously doomed is this the starving artist route?
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:37
|
|
|
tef posted:no problem, i like crushing hope yeah i'm getting burned out on digging through decade-old legacy win32 bullshit and was just considering looking for a bullshit startup where i'd at least get to make something new, then i read this past couple pages and ugh gently caress it all
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:45
|
|
|
sad thing is pittsburgh's got a bunch of robotics startups that look pretty cool but i've got no real experience in that besides a little embedded stuff and my transcripts are poo poo and i am basically doomed
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:46
|
|
|
Jerry SanDisky posted:its not ads you twit what the hell are you talking about
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:48
|
|
|
MononcQc posted:what the hell are you talking about i was confused about who you were talking to and acted like (more of) an rear end in a top hat welp
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:50
|
|
|
tef posted:sure, but there is a limit to how many times you can restart as a junior programmer. at some point you have to rely on skills or hard won experience, that is until you're made obsolete by a younger generation who will work for peanuts. I sure hope I can change and go into areas where I have more limited domain knowledge without forever being considered a junior at least.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:51
|
|
|
Microsoft should enhance TPLs beyond simple 3rd party domain asset blocking and switch to first and 3rd party blocking w/ advanced dom + js blocking. so like if super popular websites have certain divs or whatever, the service would provide the details so the browser can safely cut them out of the page. likewise certain behaviors or sections in javascript could be blocked. also apply it to plugins like flash. then make sure its a w3c standard and enable it by default in IE on all Microsoft platforms. declare total war against web advertising.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:51
|
|
|
Werthog 95 posted:sad thing is pittsburgh's got a bunch of robotics startups that look pretty cool but i've got no real experience in that besides a little embedded stuff and my transcripts are poo poo and i am basically doomed eh, that's the employers choice to make. given the places i've worked I wouldn't say that hiring competent programmers is a thing most companies are good at. or that might be i've only worked in places that hire incompetent programmers. either way, not your call to make. so apply anyway. if you need confidence, try and see if you know someone who knows someone who works there, or find them at a user group locally and prod them for information about what sort of roles they have. the worst thing that can happen is what happens if you don't bother: nothing. on the other hand you will get some interview experience, and maybe a lovely job.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:55
|
|
|
Shaggar posted:Microsoft should enhance TPLs beyond simple 3rd party domain asset blocking and switch to first and 3rd party blocking w/ advanced dom + js blocking. so like if super popular websites have certain divs or whatever, the service would provide the details so the browser can safely cut them out of the page. likewise certain behaviors or sections in javascript could be blocked. also apply it to plugins like flash. then make sure its a w3c standard and enable it by default in IE on all Microsoft platforms. declare total war against web advertising. lol this will never happen.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:56
|
|
|
tef posted:eh, that's the employers choice to make. given the places i've worked I wouldn't say that hiring competent programmers is a thing most companies are good at. or that might be i've only worked in places that hire incompetent programmers. either way, not your call to make. yeah i'm working on it. for more info see my frantic posting in the cjs thread about how to detox for a piss test
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:57
|
|
|
tef posted:lol this will never happen. yeah but it would own.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:57
|
|
|
hepatizon posted:i thought they only hired kids fresh out of undergrad who don't know any better speaking. so how do i not be poo poo then?
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:59
|
|
|
ads would just be served from the same origin
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 18:59
|
|
|
AlsoD posted:speaking. so how do i not be poo poo then? being poo poo at something is the first step at being not so poo poo at something. my real advice would be find a hobby or interest outside of computing or you will burn up to a crisp. don't crunch, it never makes things better. don't stay at a poo poo job because you're afraid of trashing your work history. try new things and make mistakes, read up on poo poo, follow links and poke around. take on a project you have no hope of completing and hack on it. regretful actions are often the easiest to learn from.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 19:01
|
|
|
tef posted:ads would just be served from the same origin yeah but those would be stopped thru basically ad definitions. like think virus defs for ads. common ones that hit multiple sites would be easy to hit and popular sites would likely have common advertisement display code. worst comes to worst and people would end up writing advertisement integration systems that make the advertisements the same format as the content, but even then the site would have to sacrifice their content because it would be indistinguishable from ads.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 19:04
|
|
|
if you spend your entire life trying to be less poo poo at things you will never be happy. being happy is not being distracted by everything else, but being lost in a problem, and also not making yourself miserable for not being someone else. sometimes being happy is being validated, or a fleeting sense of achievement coming from focusing on a singular goal at the expense of other things. sometimes happyness is pride in your work, or being thanked. but you're lucky if these coincide with being paid. i guess if you're confident that your life isn't a waste, then you'll be ok. tef fucked around with this message at 19:11 on May 3, 2013 |
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 19:08
|
|
|
Shaggar posted:worst comes to worst and people would end up writing advertisement integration systems that make the advertisements the same format as the content, but even then the site would have to sacrifice their content because it would be indistinguishable from ads. this is pretty much what happens already i mean look at a newspaper some day and see how many press releases you can spot.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 19:09
|
|
|
tef posted:my real advice would be find a hobby or interest outside of computing or you will burn up to a crisp. don't crunch, it never makes things better. don't stay at a poo poo job because you're afraid of trashing your work history. also, don't ever get complacent and stop looking at other jobs as offers appear. you must stay aware of everything in the industry and how it might affect you
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 19:11
|
|
|
tef posted:being poo poo at something is the first step at being not so poo poo at something. yeah i'm just now finally understanding this. be enthusiastically poo poo until you aren't quite as poo poo anymore and if you ever think you aren't poo poo, learn more until you realize again that you're poo poo
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 19:22
|
|
|
the next thing i need to learn is how to stop posting and get some fukken work done. christ
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 19:23
|
|
|
Werthog 95 posted:the next thing i need to learn is how to stop posting and get some fukken work done. christ
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 19:23
|
|
|
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/YouAndYourResearch.html 
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 19:24
|
|
|
tef posted:i guess if you're confident that your life isn't a waste, then you'll be ok. i can't imagine a scenario ever where this is the case
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 19:28
|
|
|
tef posted:maybe we'll either have a massive panic, or a malware epidemic which renders online transactions impossible, or perhaps a scada worm that happens to backfire, with unintended side effects, perhaps shutting off power to a large proportion of the western world. or perhaps america will cut the submarine cables during wartime, akin to scrambling gps, as a last resort for computer security. things will probably gently caress up, they always do. tef posted:if you spend your entire life trying to be less poo poo at things you will never be happy. being happy is not being distracted by everything else, but being lost in a problem, and also not making yourself miserable for not being someone else. sometimes being happy is being validated, or a fleeting sense of achievement coming from focusing on a singular goal at the expense of other things. i basically agree with everything tef has posted on the last page + have nothing to add so i'm going to go read that 'you and your reasearch' article pointers fucked around with this message at 20:48 on May 3, 2013 |
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 19:50
|
|
|
when i become a millionaire like my family says i'm going to, before now i had one dream: make either william shatner or christopher walken read "macarthur park" as spoken word now i have a new dream: hire you to find interesting links like this all day you are an interesting link machine
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 19:53
|
|
|
AlsoD posted:i can't imagine a scenario ever where this is the case I guess then you gotta look for the perspective where it doesn't matter if it's a waste anyway and go over that.
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 19:53
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 6, 2024 19:51 |
|
|
tef posted:it's more that I burn up to a crisp, no-one seems to have a job description that reads:
|
|
#
?
May 3, 2013 19:54
|
|