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cryme
Apr 9, 2004

by zen death robot
I guess Allagash wasn't bullshitting when they said FV13 was coming to their entire distribution footprint. Just scored two bottles in southern Delaware, and we hardly ever get anything special (we don't even get Stone Old Guardian / IRS most of the time)

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Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Walked into my local and scored Parabola with zero effort. Plenty more on the shelf. :smugdog:

Angry Grimace posted:

The new hotness in meaningless words in beer reviews: "tastes like dark fruit." What is that even supposed to mean? Why does every beer darker than 15 SRM taste like dark fruit?

The one I see applied to literally every beer is "nutty". Apparently every loving food or beverage under the sun is nutty. Like someone else said, when you use a descriptor that much it just loses meaning and you might as well be saying "beery".

Podima posted:

My personal summer beer list is Summer Love, Apollo, and Mama's Little Yella Pils for sure. Any other suggestions I should try this year?

I am a huge fan of Sierra Nevada Summerfest. It's not flashy or complex, but it's refreshing and tasty and pretty much exactly what I want on a super hot day. I do adore Summer Love, too.

air-
Sep 24, 2007

Who will win the greatest battle of them all?

One of the better accounts of DLD I've read. Was ShaneB the passed out dude on the lawn?
http://goodbeerhunting.com/blog/2013/5/2/three-floyds-dark-lord-day-the-monsters-of-munster-indiana

Compusaurus
May 29, 2003
OK, I WILL, IN A MINUTE...
Three Floyds Permanent Funeral has hit as of this morning in Chicago if anyone feels like tracking that one down. I haven't had it before but apparently its been described as an Imperial Zombie Dust.

crazyfish
Sep 19, 2002

Compusaurus posted:

Three Floyds Permanent Funeral has hit as of this morning in Chicago if anyone feels like tracking that one down. I haven't had it before but apparently its been described as an Imperial Zombie Dust.

That's what it tasted like last night when I drank the one I bought at DLD.

Compusaurus
May 29, 2003
OK, I WILL, IN A MINUTE...

crazyfish posted:

That's what it tasted like last night when I drank the one I bought at DLD.

Well that's good to know. I have a friend who has an unhealthy obsession with citra so I'll be sure to save it for when hes around.

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
I think that it is also a product of people reading or watching reviews from others with more developed palates and a greater vocabulary and then trying to emulate that in their own reviews. "Nutty" can be a great number of things, as can "hoppy". Where I used to work, we would have sommelier-lead tastings of wine, and we'd taste something "well, it's fruity" and he'd get all pissed and roll his eyes and ask "What kind of fruity?" and then we'd all sit there for twenty minutes and really refine our perceptions of the flavors. It definitely takes a lot of time and effort to really be able to describe something as complex as a wine or beer.

When I first started there, my notes on a tuscan white were literally "sweet and fruity". Same wine, seven months later: "honey, bosc pear, jasmine, lychee, mineral". How do you know? You go out and eat things and think about them. While I was there, if I went out to eat during the week, I would always order something I had never eaten before, if possible. When I went grocery shopping, I'd buy all sorts of weird poo poo. You kind of build on your ability as you go along.

And it's not all BA-circlejerking, either (Well, if you're posting loving nutbag reviews about how you tasted "shade-grown georgian tobacco" or "unripe Vaccinium uliginosum from an upland seasonal bog", that's different). Working on your own palate is a lot of fun and you'll start to notice things in beers you've had twenty times before that you never picked up on.

Paul Proteus
Dec 6, 2007

Zombina says "si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes!"

crazyfish posted:

That's what it tasted like last night when I drank the one I bought at DLD.

Yea, it's definitely not bad by any stretch, but it tasted like so many other FFF IPAs/APAs I was kind of bored with at DLD.

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002

Paul Proteus posted:

Yea, it's definitely not bad by any stretch, but it tasted like so many other FFF IPAs/APAs I was kind of bored with at DLD.

Oh, to have that problem.

deedee megadoodoo
Sep 28, 2000
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one to Flavortown, and that has made all the difference.


cryme posted:

Skip Triumph, go to Khyber Pass Pub instead. Standard Tap is the farthest away of that group, and if you head up that far you might as well check out Barcade as well.

Agreeing with this. The problem with the list you've laid out is that there's not any really easy way to get from Old City up to Northern Liberties unless you cab it, which sounds like that could be a problem for a bachelor party. You're better off picking one area and sticking to the stuff around there. I'd say do Fishtown/Northern Liberties or start in Old City and pick a direction. From Old City you either head west on Walnut and hit up everything in Washington Square West through Rittenhouse or head south and hit everything in Headhouse and down Passyunk. Or just hit one of those areas, because there are definitely enough bars in a given section to keep you busy without going too far.


This is sort of the route I'd go in Northern Liberties/Fishtown
Abbaye
North 3rd
Standard Tap
Walk up 2nd to Girard then head east and hit
Johnny Brenda's
Frankford Hall
and then either end at
Barcade or Kraftwork

In Old City I'd start
Eulogy
Khyber
maybe Philadelphia Bar & Restaurant
maybe Irish Pol
maybe Revolution
There's a lot of stuff in Old City...

Then either head west and do
Strangelove's (this just opened and they have a great selection)
Tria
Monk's
Misconduct
Good Dog
maybe Jose Pistolas
maybe Nodding Head
There's a ton of stuff around this area. It's almost too difficult to narrow down...

Or head south and do
Twisted Tail
Tattooed Moms
Bainbridge Street Barrel House
Growlers
Royal Tavern
The Pope
Lucky 13

Or take a look at Philly Tap Finder and map out your crawl based on the best tap lists. In any case, pretty much anywhere you pick is going to be packed with a ton of bars and you probably won't make it that far anyway.

My standard crawl starts at Lucky 13 and head up Passyunk. We make it to Pat's just in time to end the night with a drunk cheesesteak party. Because the last thing you need after 6 hours of drinking is 5000 calories of beef and cheese.

deedee megadoodoo fucked around with this message at 19:05 on May 3, 2013

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

FreelanceSocialist posted:

"Nutty" can be a great number of things, as can "hoppy".

I think this is what bugs me. It's a super vague term so it's easy to tack onto almost anything, and I feel like I see it everywhere, not just in BA diatribes.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

HatfulOfHollow posted:



This is sort of the route I'd go in Northern Liberties/Fishtown


Listen to this dude Rufus, he knows what he's talking about.

Podima
Nov 4, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Thanks for the tips, folks! Unfortunately I don't have a lot of input on where we're going - the best man planned it all out, and I think the intention is to take the SEPTA trolley around as needed. I'll pass this on to him though, in case we decide to change our plans. Cheesesteaks are definitely happening at the end of the night though, Abner's is right near where we're staying.

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002

Docjowles posted:

I think this is what bugs me. It's a super vague term so it's easy to tack onto almost anything, and I feel like I see it everywhere, not just in BA diatribes.

I think people just aren't taking the time to really think about what they are tasting when they put it down. That "nutty" flavor can come from aging the beer sur lie or from oxidation (just like wine), or from a whole host of different malts and adjuncts and even from barrel-aging. Is it "nutty" like hazelnuts? Is it a woody nutty flavor? Does it taste like roast peanuts or whole-wheat toast? Is it an unpleasant nutty flavor from autolysis of the yeast? Is it even supposed to taste nutty? Specificity lends itself to a better understanding of the stuff in the glass. I'd love to sit down and write up some wiki content on flavors and off-flavors and their origins, but :effort:.

Uuudar
Apr 18, 2003

Compusaurus posted:

Three Floyds Permanent Funeral has hit as of this morning in Chicago if anyone feels like tracking that one down. I haven't had it before but apparently its been described as an Imperial Zombie Dust.

I had it when I went to the brewpub a few months ago. That is exactly how I would describe it. It's very good.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Semi interesting American Craft Beer week graphic. South Dakota :smith:

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

Sirotan is a seal.


I've found it. The worst beer pun.

air-
Sep 24, 2007

Who will win the greatest battle of them all?

Ouch. Also funny about Armadillo Ale Works, the logo bright smack in the center of Texas: all their stuff is actually made in Deep Ellum Brewery and I'm pretty sure they don't even own the rights to their beer anymore!

cryme
Apr 9, 2004

by zen death robot
that pun is already a CBC beer name

ExtremistCow
Oct 15, 2005

Compusaurus posted:

Well that's good to know. I have a friend who has an unhealthy obsession with citra so I'll be sure to save it for when hes around.

Are you sure Permanent Funeral uses Citra? I got a little more lemon than the punched-in-the-face-with-grapefruit Citra, I was maybe thinking it was a New Zeeland hop. I just got a bunch of bottles, so I'll have to research this.

Paul Proteus
Dec 6, 2007

Zombina says "si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes!"

Docjowles posted:

Semi interesting American Craft Beer week graphic. South Dakota :smith:



Bayou Teche gets 2 logos on LA and they don't put Abita?

I'm also a little amused Goose Island isn't on there, but Ale Syndicate is for Chicago? I haven't even seen them on a shelf.

That sperg over I'm looking forward to Craft Beer week.

deedee megadoodoo
Sep 28, 2000
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one to Flavortown, and that has made all the difference.


Docjowles posted:

Semi interesting American Craft Beer week graphic. South Dakota :smith:



Is there a key for this? I can't make out most of the PA logos. I recognize Troegs, Dock Street, and Sly Fox but that's it. And I can't make out anything in NJ, MD, or DE. drat tiny weird shaped states.

cryme
Apr 9, 2004

by zen death robot

HatfulOfHollow posted:

Is there a key for this? I can't make out most of the PA logos. I recognize Troegs, Dock Street, and Sly Fox but that's it. And I can't make out anything in NJ, MD, or DE. drat tiny weird shaped states.

the one logo you can see in DE is 16 mile, a little brewery in georgetown. it is weird, since dogfish and iron hill are clearly more noteworthy.

and the NJ logo is flying fish, which makes sense

camoseven
Dec 30, 2005

RODOLPHONE RINGIN'

Docjowles posted:

Semi interesting American Craft Beer week graphic. South Dakota :smith:



Indiana has Daredevil and Cutter, both of which are small, new, and mediocre, but no Upland or 3 Floyd's. How did they choose who to put on this map??

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Who knows. Maybe it's breweries participating in official Craft Beer Week events or something? I just snagged it off craftbeer.com cause I thought South Dakota and South Carolina were funny.

cryme
Apr 9, 2004

by zen death robot

camoseven posted:

Indiana has Daredevil and Cutter, both of which are small, new, and mediocre, but no Upland or 3 Floyd's. How did they choose who to put on this map??

it seems like "put the smallest, most middle of the road brewery on any given state"

bartolimu
Nov 25, 2002


Docjowles posted:

Semi interesting American Craft Beer week graphic. South Dakota :smith:



Joseph James's new label takin' up the bulk of the state, hell yeah.

danbanana
Jun 7, 2008

OG Bell's fanboi

cryme posted:

it seems like "put the smallest, most middle of the road brewery on any given state"

It could be purposely trying to promote newer, smaller shops?

No Westbrook for SC?

7 Bowls of Wrath
Mar 30, 2007
Thats so metal.

Docjowles posted:

Semi interesting American Craft Beer week graphic. South Dakota :smith:



They got DC Brau in there for Washington DC, which also makes sense. I cant make out the other MD varieties, although there are a few good ones out here.

PoopShipDestroyer
Jan 13, 2006

I think he's ready for a chair
So I'm officially going to Apple's WWDC event this year, so can anyone give me recommendations for places to visit in the area of Moscone West in San Francisco? I won't have a car and will be limited to using the BART, and I'm going with a guy who probably won't really be up to traveling too far just to get good beer.

PoopShipDestroyer fucked around with this message at 01:54 on May 4, 2013

danbanana
Jun 7, 2008

OG Bell's fanboi

RiggenBlaque posted:

So I'm officially going to Apple's WWDC event this year, so can anyone give me recommendations for places to visit in the area of Moscone West in San Francisco? I won't have a car and will be limited to using the BART, and I'm going with a guy who probably won't really be up to traveling too far just to get good beer.

Looks like you'll only be a mile from City Beer Store. One of the best bottle shops I've ever been in, plus they have a bar with a great tap list and insane bottles. I'd also recommend a cab ride to Toronado.

Glottis
May 29, 2002

No. It's necessary.
Yam Slacker

RiggenBlaque posted:

So I'm officially going to Apple's WWDC event this year, so can anyone give me recommendations for places to visit in the area of Moscone West in San Francisco? I won't have a car and will be limited to using the BART, and I'm going with a guy who probably won't really be up to traveling too far just to get good beer.

There's also Thirsty Bear, which is basically across the street. Good microbrewery with good tapasy food.

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe

RiggenBlaque posted:

So I'm officially going to Apple's WWDC event this year, so can anyone give me recommendations for places to visit in the area of Moscone West in San Francisco? I won't have a car and will be limited to using the BART, and I'm going with a guy who probably won't really be up to traveling too far just to get good beer.

Practically any bar in SF will have good beer.

americanzero4128
Jul 20, 2009
Grimey Drawer
Didn't find any Permanent Funeral at the Binny's by me tonight (apparently they went out Wednesday to the suburbs) but I did grab a bottle of Enjoy By 5.17 so that was cool. I've been looking for this one whenever I go into any beer store, glad I found one. I think I'll hit up Three Floyd's for lunch on Sunday to see if I can get it at their brewpub. If not, they have other great beers there.

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.
I think I figured out why 2012/2013 Victory at Sea is so much inferior to the 2011 version. It's just way too bitter and acrid so you don't taste anything but roasted flavors. I wonder if they changed the recipe and/or had a different maltster on their roasted malts or something.

danbanana
Jun 7, 2008

OG Bell's fanboi

withak posted:

Practically any bar in SF will have good beer.

This isn't true at all.

Another not super far option is the Amsterdam Cafe on Geary. Small place with a solid.

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe
What bar in SF doesn't have good beer?

edit: More specifically, what bar in SF doesn't have at least Sierra Nevada, Anchor Steam, or Trumer?

withak fucked around with this message at 04:20 on May 4, 2013

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

withak posted:

What bar in SF doesn't have good beer?

edit: More specifically, what bar in SF doesn't have at least Sierra Nevada, Anchor Steam, or Trumer?

California kind of rules that way, but I do remember a time when even in San Diego there were bars that had nothing but Bud, Miller and Coors, and I'm only 30.

Midorka
Jun 10, 2011

I have a pretty fucking good palate, passed BJCP and level 2 cicerone which is more than half of you dudes can say, so I don't give a hoot anymore about this toxic community.

withak posted:

edit: More specifically, what bar in SF doesn't have at least Sierra Nevada, Anchor Steam, or Trumer?

Well I mean the same can be said here in New Jersey. You have to go to a real crappy bar to not find some local (Weyerbacher, Troegs, Victory, Dogfish Head) or even Sierra Nevada on tap. It's not uncommon at all to see local beer on tap. What makes a good beer bar is one that knows how to balance their taps.

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Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

Midorka posted:

Well I mean the same can be said here in New Jersey. You have to go to a real crappy bar to not find some local (Weyerbacher, Troegs, Victory, Dogfish Head) or even Sierra Nevada on tap. It's not uncommon at all to see local beer on tap. What makes a good beer bar is one that knows how to balance their taps.

I honestly can't think of a bar like that now in San Diego, and they did used to exist. Even if you're really hard up, you can get Stone IPA at Chipotle.

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