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R. Mute posted:No, that was actually kinda racist, so that's a completely different thing. This is more like the charges of anti-semitism. Yeah, Bell didn't mean anything by this one, I meant that the similarity is posters unwilling to consider the possibility that bearded Marxist saint Steve Bell ever did a bad thing.
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SedanChair posted:Yeah, Bell didn't mean anything by this one, I meant that the similarity is posters unwilling to consider the possibility that bearded Marxist saint Steve Bell ever did a bad thing.
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Also for some reason, when I try to remember what Bell looks like, I only see George RR Martin. They don't even look alike. It's weird.
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May 8, 2013 17:45
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R. Mute posted:Also for some reason, when I try to remember what Bell looks like, I only see George RR Martin. They don't even look alike. It's weird. Is "people with beards all look alike" a new kind of racism?
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May 8, 2013 17:46
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I'm not sure how many times I have to say that I believe it wasn't deliberate before you stop strawmanning. The word I used was "unfortunate". This does not mean that it isn't worthy of comment or criticism. R Mute though, mate, gently caress off. "You're trying to be offended" is a bunch of poo poo trotted out by apologists of discrimination, which is exactly what you are.
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R. Mute posted:So nothing is wrong about this cartoon, but we should take a moment to think about how much of a poo poo Bell is just apropos of nothing? Weird. I guess I'll start: his views on matters outside the UK are often simplistic and liberal. The mugs on his website are not competitively priced! Seriously though, if you see the word "niglet" the gears ought to start turning for a few seconds, at least. "Nige" doesn't sound like "Nig" for example. But my critical process absolved him in this case 
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mfcrocker posted:I'm not sure how many times I have to say that I believe it wasn't deliberate before you stop strawmanning. The word I used was "unfortunate". This does not mean that it isn't worthy of comment or criticism. Also, the word you used was 'careless idiot', as if there's any fault with Bell on this one.
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R. Mute posted:Also, the word you used was 'careless idiot', as if there's any fault with Bell on this one. My very first post on the subject: mfcrocker posted:Bell, that's a reasonably unfortunate thing to be calling him If you could stop misrepresenting my argument at every available opportunity that would be great. Also no, "you're trying to be offended" has never been used innocently. It is used purely to diminish and dismiss the validity of someone's offense to a particular subject in order to shut them up. SedanChair posted:Seriously though, if you see the word "niglet" the gears ought to start turning for a few seconds, at least. "Nige" doesn't sound like "Nig" for example. But my critical process absolved him in this case This is a view I share.
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mfcrocker posted:If you could stop misrepresenting my argument at every available opportunity that would be great. quote:Also no, "you're trying to be offended" has never been used innocently. It is used purely to diminish and dismiss the validity of someone's offense to a particular subject in order to shut them up.
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mfcrocker posted:If you could stop misrepresenting my argument at every available opportunity that would be great. Also no, "you're trying to be offended" has never been used innocently. It is used purely to diminish and dismiss the validity of someone's offense to a particular subject in order to shut them up. Except that it does seem like you're really trying to be offended here because you're equivocating all over the place about how it wasn't supposed to be racist but it actually almost was but he probably didn't mean it but he should be criticized for it anyway despite there being nothing to criticize him for but he shouldn't have done used a word that was almost a different word even though no one is really going to make that connection and if they do they'll dismiss it as harmless because they're not perpetually outraged
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But seriously guys don't use words that might be slurs without looking them up first, I looked up every word in this sentence to make sure they weren't offensive as I wrote it and oh my god as I explain it I have to look up more and more words and I am creating a nightmarish ouroboros formed entirely from my own ability to understand context e\gndio\sfgpfin
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Crane Fist posted:Except that it does seem like you're really trying to be offended here because you're equivocating all over the place about how it wasn't supposed to be racist but it actually almost was but he probably didn't mean it but he should be criticized for it anyway despite there being nothing to criticize him for but he shouldn't have done used a word that was almost a different word even though no one is really going to make that connection and if they do they'll dismiss it as harmless because they're not perpetually outraged Crane Fist posted:But seriously guys don't use words that might be slurs without looking them up first, I looked up every word in this sentence to make sure they weren't offensive as I wrote it and oh my god as I explain it I have to look up more and more words and I am creating a nightmarish ouroboros formed entirely from my own ability to understand context e\gndio\sfgpfin That's possibly one of the better strawman arguments I've seen. 5/5 for effort, 0/5 for content.
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You're really using that cry of 'strawman' to diminish and dismiss the validity of someone's offense to a particular post in order to shut them up.
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mfcrocker posted:That's possibly one of the better strawman arguments I've seen. 5/5 for effort, 0/5 for content. I'm glad you respected the effort and I really think you would enjoy the content a lot more if you would learn to accept that someone thinking you're being an idiot doesn't have to involve strawmen.
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R. Mute posted:You're really using that cry of 'strawman' to diminish and dismiss the validity of someone's offense to a particular post in order to shut them up. It's almost like it's a valid logical fallacy! Surprising that.
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Crane Fist posted:But seriously guys don't use words that might be slurs without looking them up first, I looked up every word in this sentence to make sure they weren't offensive as I wrote it and oh my god as I explain it I have to look up more and more words and I am creating a nightmarish ouroboros formed entirely from my own ability to understand context e\gndio\sfgpfin If it bugs you that much consider yourself outed.
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Happy birthday, Fluo! Also, while searching for this image, came across a Telegraph article from March: "Has Steve Bell of the Guardian ever met an ethnic stereotype he didn't like?"
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SedanChair posted:If it bugs you that much consider yourself outed. As what Cloud Potato posted:Also, while searching for this image, came across a Telegraph article from March: "Has Steve Bell of the Guardian ever met an ethnic stereotype he didn't like?" Bell likes everyone, that's the kind of Santa-esqe man he is! 
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Ugh next election I'm voting UKIP; A British thread for British posters
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mfcrocker posted:It's almost like it's a valid logical fallacy! Surprising that.
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R. Mute posted:It was a joke. I'm sorry. Like on Top Gear?
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mfcrocker posted:Like on Top Gear?
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Forums Terrorist posted:Ugh next election I'm voting UKIP; A British thread for British posters Leg it back to the megathread this ones had it! We'll parachute Fluo back in in a few days to give us the all clear.
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Crane Fist posted:But seriously guys don't use words that might be slurs without looking them up first, I looked up every word in this sentence to make sure they weren't offensive as I wrote it and oh my god as I explain it I have to look up more and more words and I am creating a nightmarish ouroboros formed entirely from my own ability to understand context e\gndio\sfgpfin Ouroboros is Ulithian for "paki" and the 3,000 people who knew that (all of whom obviously read this thread) were very offended. Kindly keep your racism out of here.
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Once again, he demonstrates that he actually can do a competent caricature of a person if he so chooses; so why-oh-why is his Cameron so god-awful!?
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hazza posted:Once again, he demonstrates that he actually can do a competent caricature of a person if he so chooses; so why-oh-why is his Cameron so god-awful!? I presume because Cameron is so devoid of positive character that to do so would make him grotesque.
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What the gently caress is up with those Guardsmen? He's not even trying with them, I guess making Fergie look vaguely human used up the last scraps of his artistic talent.
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I actually like them. Making them have no eyes turns them into hench-men. Blind enforcers of the Queen's will. Plus look at the excessive number of Champagne bottles - speaking to both greed and alcoholism on the part of the Queen. Clearly Paul Thomas is more subversive than you guys give him credit for.
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Milotic posted:I actually like them. Making them have no eyes turns them into hench-men. Blind enforcers of the Queen's will. Plus look at the excessive number of Champagne bottles - speaking to both greed and alcoholism on the part of the Queen. Clearly Paul Thomas is more subversive than you guys give him credit for. They look like some sort of patriotic Doctor Who monster. And I'm also wondering why the one bottle is labelled "The Widow".
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I'm pretty certain Paul Thomas is kept locked in a dark basement somewhere in the offices of The Express with a pack of felt tips, some paper and nothing else. Every night they give him the next day's headlines and force him to draw a vaguely related cartoon, and the quality and content of what he produces depends almost entirely on the exact makeup of the drug cocktail his handlers are feeding him that particular day. The birds he hides in each cartoon are his way of clinging to some small last expression of physical and intellectual freedom, drawing them with a carefully concealed fine-point pen in the short interval between one dose of hallucinogens wearing off and the next one being forced upon him.
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Cloud Potato posted:Grdn: This is brilliant. I want to see him draw one with Cameron as Laocoön
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Hong XiuQuan posted:This is brilliant. I want to see him draw one with Cameron as Laocoön 
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Also have Steve Bell's Cameron Laocoön!
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big scary monsters posted:I'm pretty certain Paul Thomas is kept locked in a dark basement somewhere in the offices of The Express with a pack of felt tips, some paper and nothing else. Every night they give him the next day's headlines and force him to draw a vaguely related cartoon, and the quality and content of what he produces depends almost entirely on the exact makeup of the drug cocktail his handlers are feeding him that particular day. The birds he hides in each cartoon are his way of clinging to some small last expression of physical and intellectual freedom, drawing them with a carefully concealed fine-point pen in the short interval between one dose of hallucinogens wearing off and the next one being forced upon him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUKNPkXjnW8&t=47s
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Cloud Potato posted:Express: Yesterday's was such an effort post that it bore tracing over and botching, now to the pub
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Since he's such a poo poo cartoonist I can understand why he feels the need to spell out the joke, but why does he need a caption and a speech bubble explaining it?
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The caption's just "the context" which I've seen a fair few cartoons give, and they always manage to adumbrate a headline. So he only explained the joke once.
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